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Agree with this.
That’s why I only type things here that I’ve seen or have verified from people who have direct knowledge on the issue
Agree with this.
That’s why I only type things here that I’ve seen or have verified from people who have direct knowledge on the issue
I'm not sure all of the readers are grasping how many hospitals there are in the NYC area and how rapidly the situation can change.
Are there enough total ventilators for now? Yes. Does that mean every single hospital has enough to satisfy a demand that can double in a matter of hours? No.
Absolutely. I can see that as a huge problem. I am glad that we have enough right now for patients though. That is reassuring.
Now they just need to get more vents to the area from outlying hospitals just in case everything compounds like you said.
he also stopped Ford from moving forward for now- afraid we could have too many built.
you can’t make any of this situation up- virus, panic, nonchalance, lockdowns and business as usual, too many, too few, under control and wart8me president, lives are important and balancing lives v the economy......
I appreciate your feedback.
We need more reports from “boots on the ground” and less information filtered through some Politico’s lense.
Probably arrive and start receiving right after the peak.... even then it’s for regular hospital services not CV.
Pretty sure he had stacks of masks behind him during one press conference. I doubt there is much to read into there other than they simply hadn’t been distributed yet.
I thought the exact same thing earlier...I hope and pray it's not Puerto Rico 2.0...
No worries.... @BigTimeTiger , @jimbob1019 , and @Cocks are Number 1 said this is no big deal. Just the media blowing it out of proportion.
Saw an interview with the CEO of Ford last weekend where he was saying that they have already converted a lot of equipment to manufacture ventilators. Hopefully they can get them out quickly. He mentioned they can pump out an F-150 every 67 seconds or something like that, so ventilators should be at least as quick. His words.
Saw where SG Adams mentioned this morning, again these are his words, that the number of ventilators that Cuomo and NY officials are requesting are based off of projections. They will need 30k ventilators, but they aren't short now. He did mention that certain hospitals were short, but they haven't been replenished with ventilators that are in storage. Maybe those are the antiquated ventilators OP was mentioning.
Yes, there were 3M boxes on pallets. Today's press update looked like a movie set. Each 'room' had a nice lamp and a little plant.
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do we know whether those boxes were empty or not ? Did they actually have masks inside ?
I would hope someone is in charge of getting the ventilators out in a timely manner with a full crew to work with. That is just as important as making them. One would think that is one of their first priorities.
Incredible for sure. I just wonder how much engineering it takes to retool to the plant to make them? If they aren't delivering some by next week, I'm afraid the supply will have already run out at the rate this thing is spreading.
DJT has met an issue he can't bluster his way through. All the bluster in February with misleading and incorrect statements. Like the great Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.
Nobody could have prepared for a situation this bad. But no other country leader could manage a crisis this bad. No leadership. Just bluster and finger pointing. What national leader yells at people over TWITTER to convey a message and blame everyone else? Especially during a crisis. Sad
Nobody could have prepared for a situation this bad. But no other country leader could manage a crisis this bad. No leadership. Just bluster and finger pointing. What national leader yells at people over TWITTER to convey a message and blame everyone else? Especially during a crisis. Sad
Not sure if you have been following or not, but Covid-19 will pass that in a matter of weeks. On March 2, the US had 100 cases. We will pass 100,000 today. In less than a month, the US will go from zero deaths to over 1500.
Because she has become a lap dog for Trump after he pushed Fauci away. She is just falling in line. Its disgusting that there is a misinformation campaign occuring during a pandemic.
Herp derp "its just the flu"
I have been on the phone with a leader from a major hospital here in Atlanta. They are asking to use our anesthesia machines at our surgery centers as ventilators because they fear they will be over capacity in the next 7-10 days.
I’m a respiratory therapist, have not wanted to say so, because I don’t want to get any any trouble with my employer who will remain anonymous. I would like to say that it is simple to place two ,three ,four ,etc # of people on a single vent. Providing each one of those patients with the ventilator support that they need that way is nearly impossible. That picture only showed that vent supporting 3 circuits, not four. And that plastic “y” that she 3D printed is readily available now in the shape of a “t”. And that “y” or that “t” can not independently vary flow or oxygen concentrations to individual patients. A lack of ventilators is only the first item in a long list of items needed to support someone on a vent. The bacterial hepa filters in that photo are very important and we are running very low on them also. HME filters, circuits, endotracheal tubes, closed suction kits, not to mention respiratory therapist to manage and adjust the vent. I could see having no more than 2 people on a vent, but they would both need to be nearly the same ideal body weight and have the same oxygen needs, peep levels, minute ventilation levels, and both be sedated. As far as the original post, it is very believable for a couple of hospitals to run out,while the entire city is not depleted.
So 12,000 in 6 months?
With the trend the thing is on, there will be over 12,000 deaths from the coronavirus in April alone.
I've tried to downplay this to myself, but the truck loads of dead in Italy every day and the acceleration of it here and now is hard to ignore.
Then the statement that NYC has available ventilators would be accurate. It does not speak to what efforts (herculean most likely given that it's NYC) that have to take place to get the ventilators to where they are needed. That's on NYC.
I am not discounting anything anyone has said here, but to argue each point is irrelevant. It will take time and history to allow us to put all the facts and statistics together and provide better answers to preventing Covid 19, to contain it, as well as, find out how we did in preparing for this pandemic and what can be done better. The CDC estimated that 12,000 people died in a 4 month period )Oct 1st to Feb 1st, 2020 from the flu and that is with a flu shot that is for 4 strains of flu available! The first vaccine for the flu was in 1938. So that is 80+ years working on the flu vaccine that still allows people to die!! So maybe give people some leeway to not being prepared, to protocols changing, to varying government stay in place procedures. We have basically stopped the entire US in its tracts and are trying to point every available resource to saving people and finding answers to the unknown as fast as possible. Covid 19 is brand new and may kill more people, but we have no known defense against this bug except our own immune system. We will create better tests, we will find a vaccine and other treatment, and we will develop better protocols and standards.
Lost in this ventilator shortage debate is one fact that nobody is really talking about. Most studies done since this pandemic started show that the patients who need to be put on a vent never live to tell about it. The need for mechanical ventilation has shown to equate to a mortality rate of 60 to 97% depending on which study or case report you read. I get the whole “decide who lives or dies” argument totally. Don’t misunderstand me. I absolutely would want an available ventilator if it was myself or a loved one who needed it. Sadly, however, the availability of a ventilator isn’t going to change the eventual outcome in severe cases where the patient develops ARDS. That is what makes this disease so scary and difficult to treat. Sure, there are fingers that can be pointed in many directions saying we should have been more prepared. In my opinion, no matter what realistic precautions were taken (besides not eating bat soup), a lot of the tragedy unfolding before our eyes was unavoidable once this thing got rolling.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/coronavirus-ventilator-sharing.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Here’s a report on NYC hospitals having to share ventilators because there aren’t enough for everyone, but I’m the one not giving correct information.
Okay
Here’s a report on NYC hospitals having to share ventilators because there aren’t enough for everyone, but I’m the one not giving correct information.
Okay
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I thought you just said they are running out? Blaming anyone right now for something this big is foolish.
Everyone needs to get on board. When Cuomo and Trump actually are on the same side , then you know there is a disconnect between what the media says and reality.
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yes, hospitals in nyc are running out of their own supply. They are having to ask the city and other hospitals to borrow theirs. Not sure where the disconnect is on your part
I can't believe people are still downplaying this thing on this board.
A few people are going to look like complete morons in a few weeks (@jmh9713 , @Cocks are Number 1 , probably others but they're the ones I've seen ITT).
NY is screwed. I can't believe people are arguing semantics with a guy who's got contacts with people on the front lines. Fox just had an NY ER doc on that echoed the exact same thing. Disagreed with Birx, the whole 9.
Take off the blinders and accept the L like men.
A few people are going to look like complete morons in a few weeks (@jmh9713 , @Cocks are Number 1 , probably others but they're the ones I've seen ITT).
NY is screwed. I can't believe people are arguing semantics with a guy who's got contacts with people on the front lines. Fox just had an NY ER doc on that echoed the exact same thing. Disagreed with Birx, the whole 9.
Take off the blinders and accept the L like men.
Maybe he should have been telling the Mayor to keep his mouth shut when he was tweeting New Yorkers to "get out on the town despite the corona virus" and even offering suggestions to go see some shows earlier this month.
And here TI posters were playing so nice and downright patriotic. There is always someone that feels the need to drag politics into the equation I suppose. May God bless America!
This is completely on the NYC leadership, full stop. Anyone trying to shift the blame is politricking.
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If people are blaming nyc for this then they should accept that the current administration is to blame for what’s going on nationally. Plain and simple
So, because they all found new jobs in the government, you think they still did their old jobs?
There is the disconnect. Blaming one or the other. NYC said they were ready, clearly not the case (NYC health commish comments and Bill’s weeks before clearly idiotic). Federal govt said they were ready, wrong again. Media blames just one but both in the wrong. Now they are on the same side. People need quit bitching which one was right or wrong. SNAFU and move forward
