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[clemsonu0219]

except that the actual community impact is the people taking up hospital beds. Those are by far and away the unvaccinated so it makes all the sense in the world to have the people showing up to super spreader events be vaccinated. So that if they do get it or pass it around, people aren't dying on the first round of spread, now they can leave there and infect others sure, but because they are vaccinated they are less likely to do so.

I understand what you’re saying my friend but you’re missing the point I was making.

Let’s accept your premise: the Virus spreading to the Unvax leads to greater community impact on the health care facilities.

Here’s the problem…

If that’s the case, the Virus CAN spread to the Unvax, at the stadium, bc Vaxxed people can spread the Virus (even if its a lower chance). Meaning, if your goal is what you said it is, then logically you would want to either 1) test everyone so that that no one spreads to the Unvax OR 2) completely restrict the Unvax from attending.

 

[okclem]

That’s the sad part to this and is NOT being reported. My wife had a hospital mtg this morning and they’re now going to publicize each day:
Admitted- vaxxed or non vaxxed
In ER - vaxxed or non vaxxed
ICU - vaxxed or non vaxxed

My question to her was:
Ok, are they also going to release BMI?
Heart issues?
Smoker/nonsmoker?

Her response:
“No, only if vaxxed or not. They’re not giving out the actual vital information that people should know”

Just FYI for everyone, virtually ALL of her Covid patients that she’s had are overweight. We have a bigger problem in this country other than Covid and that is a personal health issue. Not really sure why this is being swept under the proverbial rug.

Yeah I've noticed a lot of nurses are a target demographic of the qanon, anti-vaxx influencers. For some reason they just eat up that nonsense.

Anyway, you and your wife are bigly wrong.

 

[TheValley91]

Again, reality is, obtain a healthy weight and you will be increase your chances of staying healthy exponentially. Vaxxed or not.

See it works the other way again.

Eh not really.

Roughly 40% of Americans are obese. You are asking almost half the population to change their diets, schedules, potentially wages, location etc. I'm simply asking people to go to a local CVS.

Clearly the vaccine is much more of an effective and efficient solution to the pandemic/healthcare crisis.

 

[okclem]

Anti vaxxers are so mindfvcked they'll willingly take ivermectin, which is no way an anti-viral drug AND will definitely cause serious illness and death if you take too much.....over an anti-viral vaccine that was engineered specifically to prevent serious illness and death.

This is the danger of conspiratorial thinking.

 

[scotchtiger]

Eh not really.

Roughly 40% of Americans are obese. You are asking almost half the population to change their diets, schedules, potentially wages, location etc. I'm simply asking people to go to a local CVS.

Clearly the vaccine is much more of an effective and efficient solution to the pandemic/healthcare crisis.

That does nothing to change the accuracy of the statement.

 

[scotchtiger]

No, it does not. It literally does not. This is such a stupid argument. I don't understand how a gainfully employed adult could think this makes logical sense.

How, does it not "literally" work?

If you are unvaxxed, you are significantly more likely to go to the hospital with COVID.

If you are obese, you are significantly more likely to go to the hospital with COVID.

 

[okclem]

How, does it not "literally" work?

If you are unvaxxed, you are significantly more likely to go to the hospital with COVID.

If you are obese, you are significantly more likely to go to the hospital with COVID.

 

[scotchtiger]

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Ah, so you believe there is zero correlation between obesity and being hospitalized for Covid. I've always had quite a low opinion of you, and this is a reminder why.

 

[okclem]

Ah, so you believe there is zero correlation between obesity and being hospitalized for Covid. I've always had quite a low opinion of you, and this is a reminder why.

Young man, your opinion of me is of no interest to me. This argument you're making in this post is very different from the very stupid one I was ridiculing.

 

[dandeman330]

I still want someone to explain to me why the number of deaths the last 18 months hasn't increased from the pre-Covid numbers? Wouldn’t a new killer disease add to the annual average? Why hasn’t that been the case? Please tell me like I am stupid because a new killer should add to the numbers.

The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020

This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

500k more in 2020 than 2019.

 

[scotchtiger]

Young man, your opinion of me is of no interest to me. This argument you're making in this post is very different from the very stupid one I was ridiculing.

Sure thing pal.

 

[PawsFan_]

Wow. After a quick scan of this thread, the

is way off the charts.

 

[WapPride]

Exactly. 3x as many folks die of heart disease each year than covid....Where's the uproar? Oh wait, the CDC doesn't give a shit about your health.

this is such an idiotic comparison

 

[WapPride]

I am vaccinated but there are more and more cases of vaccinated people getting COVID. COVID vaccines don't prevent you from getting COVID or spreading COVID. Matter of fact vaccinated people are most likely ones spreading the variant because we aren't showing symptoms despite carrying the virus.

data says otherwise

 

[SconnyTiger25]

data says otherwise

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So let me get this straight...

1- People should get the vaccine to protect the people around them
2- The vaccine is literally a transmissible virus now that tons more people have due to the vacccinations, even though the carrier is better protected and will not potentially be hospitalized, they now might infect grandma or grandpa that has or hasn't been vaccinated with a stronger strain named Delta?
3- So would there be this many people carrying Covid without the vaccination? Or have we increased the amount of carriers now, therefore bringing more unvaccinated people in contact with Covid?
4- In the past, grandma and grandpa used to be fearful of me when I was un-vaxxed, now I've gotten it they should still be scared of me... after all the CDC and Dr. Fauci say the vaccinated need to wear masks again to protect others.
5- If anybody is lost at this point, likely why many others are lost also. Until clear scientifically reproduced studies are done and reviewed and replicated, literally the "scientific method", then likely we will be confused for some time to come.

Here's a thought, demand answers from China on the bio-weapon they released on the world so we know what exactly we are dealing with... then maybe then we won't debilitate or military, doctors, and everyone else who could pose a threat to their world dominance. Just a thought. Doesn't fear diminish ones ability to protect oneself due to stress? Asking for a friend.

 

[PAWrocka]

That’d be a felony if you do that.

A very good friend of mine was boasting the other night that he bought fake COVID cards for he and his wife. He is a Trumper and fully on board with QANON and believes that the vaccine is the “Delta Variant”.

I’m seriously reconsidering my friendship with this guy …. I’ve cut people out of my life for far less …

 

[yoshi121374]

I agree that it's the simplest and easiest. But there are plenty of people shaming others for not taking the vaccine because they are concerned about long-term side effects, or suggesting that hospitals refuse them treatment. Meanwhile, the vast majority of those hospitalized are obese or have some other preventable health condition. And yet there is no accountability because their "fix" is "harder and less convenient."

The focus should be on fixing all of the factors leading to the undue burden

So let me get this straight...

1- People should get the vaccine to protect the people around them
2- The vaccine is literally a transmissible virus now that tons more people have due to the vacccinations, even though the carrier is better protected and will not potentially be hospitalized, they now might infect grandma or grandpa that has or hasn't been vaccinated with a stronger strain named Delta?
3- So would there be this many people carrying Covid without the vaccination? Or have we increased the amount of carriers now, therefore bringing more unvaccinated people in contact with Covid?
4- In the past, grandma and grandpa used to be fearful of me when I was un-vaxxed, now I've gotten it they should still be scared of me... after all the CDC and Dr. Fauci say the vaccinated need to wear masks again to protect others.
5- If anybody is lost at this point, likely why many others are lost also. Until clear scientifically reproduced studies are done and reviewed and replicated, literally the "scientific method", then likely we will be confused for some time to come.

Here's a thought, demand answers from China on the bio-weapon they released on the world so we know what exactly we are dealing with... then maybe then we won't debilitate or military, doctors, and everyone else who could pose a threat to their world dominance. Just a thought. Doesn't fear diminish ones ability to protect oneself due to stress? Asking for a friend.

You truly don't get it. The vaccinated aren't more likely to spread it. Nothing in those posts said that. Just stop for a while, you're making yourself look even worse.

 

[pickenstiger]

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Good article but to say

data says otherwise

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Interesting data but stopped reading when it said Singapore study shows not only vaccine stops you from getting sick from Delta variant. Data from hospital labs refute this statement at least here in US.
Also, this article has not been peer reviewed for accuracy

 

[WapPride]

I agree that it's the simplest and easiest. But there are plenty of people shaming others for not taking the vaccine because they are concerned about long-term side effects, or suggesting that hospitals refuse them treatment. Meanwhile, the vast majority of those hospitalized are obese or have some other preventable health condition. And yet there is no accountability because their "fix" is "harder and less convenient."

The focus should be on fixing all of the factors leading to the undue burden on the healthcare system.

i remember a first lady a few years back that tried to address the growing obesity issue in our children and young adults that was met with "BUT MUH SOCIALISM" cries from the right. sadly blaming obesity and other issues is a nice scapegoat, but whenever a solution is proposed you have rubes on the right screaming about freedoms and other such nonsense and nothing ever gets passed

 

[Essolover4]

A very good friend of mine was boasting the other night that he bought fake COVID cards for he and his wife. He is a Trumper and fully on board with QANON and believes that the vaccine is the “Delta Variant”.

I’m seriously reconsidering my friendship with this guy …. I’ve cut people out of my life for far less …

I hear ya Jennifer Anniston. That'll show em

 

[scotchtiger]

i remember a first lady a few years back that tried to address the growing obesity issue in our children and young adults that was met with "BUT MUH SOCIALISM" cries from the right. sadly blaming obesity and other issues is a nice scapegoat, but whenever a solution is proposed you have rubes on the right screaming about freedoms and other such nonsense and nothing ever gets passed

It's a shame. Republicans would be smart to embrace it as a policy position. Public/private partnerships to bring healthy food options to underserved communities. Improve nutrition and core health as a way to elevate healthcare and lower costs vs. the democrats wanting to socialize medicine.

Another reason I think politicians on both sides are absolutely worthless.

 

[WapPride]

Good article but to say
Interesting data but stopped reading when it said Singapore study shows not only vaccine stops you from getting sick from Delta variant. Data from hospital labs refute this statement at least here in US.
Also, this article has not been peer reviewed for accuracy

can you provide a source for this? also, it's not peer reviewed yet since it was published 3 days ago. it may end up being inaccurate, but we will know more after it's reviewed more extensively.

 

[WapPride]

So let me get this straight...

1- People should get the vaccine to protect the people around them
2- The vaccine is literally a transmissible virus now that tons more people have due to the vacccinations, even though the carrier is better protected and will not potentially be hospitalized, they now might infect grandma or grandpa that has or hasn't been vaccinated with a stronger strain named Delta?
3- So would there be this many people carrying Covid without the vaccination? Or have we increased the amount of carriers now, therefore bringing more unvaccinated people in contact with Covid?
4- In the past, grandma and grandpa used to be fearful of me when I was un-vaxxed, now I've gotten it they should still be scared of me... after all the CDC and Dr. Fauci say the vaccinated need to wear masks again to protect others.
5- If anybody is lost at this point, likely why many others are lost also. Until clear scientifically reproduced studies are done and reviewed and replicated, literally the "scientific method", then likely we will be confused for some time to come.

Here's a thought, demand answers from China on the bio-weapon they released on the world so we know what exactly we are dealing with... then maybe then we won't debilitate or military, doctors, and everyone else who could pose a threat to their world dominance. Just a thought. Doesn't fear diminish ones ability to protect oneself due to stress? Asking for a friend.

what the **** are you rambling about?

2. there are tons of studies out there that say if you get the vaccine the severity of the virus drops tremendously. there is no data set i've reviewed that show you're more getting a covid infection from the vaccine, nor is the covid vaccine a LIVE version of the virus.
3. this is dumb and not accurate at all
4. you can still get covid if you have the vaccine - it's just a less severe version. you can also still pass on the virus if you get the vaccine and later catch covid, but some data shows you pass it on at a lower clip than if you are unvaccinated.
5. i'm lost because your points 2-4 are utter nonsense and until you offer accredited data to support these claims they're just the ramblings of another idiot on TI who is woefully uneducated on this topic.

yes china should be held accountable for it - but i'd argue less resources should be spent on dealing with that shit now than once we get this virus under control.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

what the **** are you rambling about?

2. there are tons of studies out there that say if you get the vaccine the severity of the virus drops tremendously. there is no data set i've reviewed that show you're more getting a covid infection from the vaccine, nor is the covid vaccine a LIVE version of the virus.
3. this is dumb and not accurate at all
4. you can still get covid if you have the vaccine - it's just a less severe version. you can also still pass on the virus if you get the vaccine and later catch covid, but some data shows you pass it on at a lower clip than if you are unvaccinated.
5. i'm lost because your points 2-4 are utter nonsense and until you offer accredited data to support these claims they're just the ramblings of another idiot on TI who is woefully uneducated on this topic.

yes china should be held accountable for it - but i'd argue less resources should be spent on dealing with that shit now than once we get this virus under control.

Yes, it is all dumb, I am ensuring this sounds as dumb as possible and yet we cannot disprove any of it, proving yet it is more dumb than before.

Until we know exactly what is in the biological weapon, we are pissing in the wind, also why everyone changes their mind on everything ever other month. Science is evolving... yeah bs, science is and always will be science, we just have some world class political actors feeding so much disinformation on both sides, the world has gone bonkers. People are literally telling people to "die" if they don't get vaccinated on message boards, or hoping in their heads nonetheless.

If everyone wants to start The Handmaids Tail buddy system and tell on people or force people to do things, all in the name of "science", I will feel obligated to suggest the same for all people are imperfect.

This is literally going to be my last post on the virus. I sincerely hope all people stay safe, they make the best choices for themselves and for the most part start living their lives again. If I die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take...

I will be the first to lay down my pen regarding this virus because I am not a board certified anything and I feel the real problem in the country is election integrity. I will chose to fight something tangible and that I know something about which is math and statistics.

Good luck to all those who have lost common sense, may it again find you in this life or the next.

Amen

 

[yoshi121374]

Yes, it is all dumb, I am ensuring this sounds as dumb as possible and yet we cannot disprove any of it, proving yet it is more dumb than before.

Until we know exactly what is in the biological weapon, we are pissing in the wind, also why everyone changes their mind on everything ever other month. Science is evolving... yeah bs, science is and always will be science, we just have some world class political actors feeding so much disinformation on both sides, the world has gone bonkers. People are literally telling people to "die" if they don't get vaccinated on message boards, or hoping in their heads nonetheless.

If everyone wants to start The Handmaids Tail buddy system and tell on people or force people to do things, all in the name of "science", I will feel obligated to suggest the same for all people are imperfect.

This is literally going to be my last post on the virus. I sincerely hope all people stay safe, they make the best choices for themselves and for the most part start living their lives again. If I die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take...

I will be the first to lay down my pen regarding this virus because I am not a board certified anything and I feel the real problem in the country is election integrity. I will chose to fight something tangible and that I know something about which is math and statistics.

Good luck to all those who have lost common sense, may it again find you in this life or the next.

Amen

We already know that you don't understand science, or whether you are on the spectrum with an ADHD diagnosis.

 

[WapPride]

Yes, it is all dumb, I am ensuring this sounds as dumb as possible and yet we cannot disprove any of it, proving yet it is more dumb than before.

Until we know exactly what is in the biological weapon, we are pissing in the wind, also why everyone changes their mind on everything ever other month. Science is evolving... yeah bs, science is and always will be science, we just have some world class political actors feeding so much disinformation on both sides, the world has gone bonkers. People are literally telling people to "die" if they don't get vaccinated on message boards, or hoping in their heads nonetheless.

If everyone wants to start The Handmaids Tail buddy system and tell on people or force people to do things, all in the name of "science", I will feel obligated to suggest the same for all people are imperfect.

This is literally going to be my last post on the virus. I sincerely hope all people stay safe, they make the best choices for themselves and for the most part start living their lives again. If I die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take...

I will be the first to lay down my pen regarding this virus because I am not a board certified anything and I feel the real problem in the country is election integrity. I will chose to fight something tangible and that I know something about which is math and statistics.

Good luck to all those who have lost common sense, may it again find you in this life or the next.

Amen

oh i should've figured you were one of those guys. it must be exhausting living your life terrified of everything - pretty sure it's a common denominator with most conspiracy theorists.

 

[pickenstiger]

can you provide a source for this? also, it's not peer reviewed yet since it was published 3 days ago. it may end up being inaccurate, but we will know more after it's reviewed more extensively.

Well our hospital reports daily data and there are vaccinated and unvaccinated people in all areas of our hospital. Not as high of percentage but still some vax. Also they do not test all positive tests for the different strains

 

[okclem]

oh i should've figured you were one of those guys. it must be exhausting living your life terrified of everything - pretty sure it's a common denominator with most conspiracy theorists.

It's all couched in racism. Fear, yes. But at its core the fear is of brown people.

 

[tiger1995]

this is such an idiotic comparison

Uh huh....username checks out.

 

[PAWrocka]

I hear ya Jennifer Anniston. That'll show em

You’re free to keep all the careless and irresponsible people you want in your circle. I prefer to keep my circle small and filled with people I can trust.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

oh i should've figured you were one of those guys. it must be exhausting living your life terrified of everything - pretty sure it's a common denominator with most conspiracy theorists.

Fact Check:

I am actually not afraid of much, drowning is one thing, being burned alive, and having my member cut off.

Oh and my children growing up in a communist country.

Whatever though, we will all be judged and fortunately I've made my peace with it all and who I can help and who I cannot. I'll be the guy at the games with a doctors coat, if you can find me you'll know my name.

On to the elections...