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Trump’s authoritarian America

They were and are able to opt out.


Yes because solving an obesity crisis through a marketing campaign would have so much easier and faster than a vaccine.

Your obsession with bragging about being thin is borderline narcissistic. We get you don’t like fat people, but stop whining about obesity while you still vote for politicians who openly mocked Michelle Obama for pushing for healthier school lunches.
This guy is guy is accusing someone else of being narcissistic

Let that sink in
 
There was like a year before the vaccine was available. We knew about comorbidities within a couple months. Should have been a national emergency to eat healthy, exercise, take vitamins and get to a normal BMI. Much progress could have been made by the time the vaccine was released.

Apologies if I don’t accept your version of reasonableness. I don’t know your situation, but my judgment has allowed me to reach a pretty amazing place in life with regard to family, career and health. I’m going to keep trusting that.
What would a “national emergency to eat healthy, etc” look like, policy wise?

And yes, we all get it, your life is awesome. You tell us constantly how great you are. Congrats on being better than everyone. Doesn’t mean your penchant for supporting extreme right wingers is “reasonable.”
 
I didn’t. Which is why I tend to trust medical related science to people who did graduate from medical school.
Why do you have a problem with RFK questioning the established medical community?
 
He can question it all he wants, but he shouldn’t be taken seriously as an expert on the subject.
So you should have a medical degree to be taken seriously on medical topics if you’re running for office?
 
So you should have a medical degree to be taken seriously on medical topics if you’re running for office?
Yes, when it comes to medical science you should have at least a medical degree and significant experience in order to be taken seriously as an expert on medical science on a national/global level.

Politicians in office or running for office can present and debate policy based on that medical science, but what RFK and others are doing is making up their own medical science, which they are not qualified to do.

Fact based policy ideas can be debated, but RFK isn’t interested in facts.
 
I feel like the answer is pretty obvious here. He doesn’t deal in facts. He deals in psuedoscience and long discredited beliefs about vaccines.

If you had a loved one who had cancer, would you recommend to them that they go see RFK jr for treatment?
Maybe. Maybe not.

But if you’re going to make a statement like that I feel like you should explain yourself
 
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I’d be interested to see where any expert said that the vaccine would completely stop the spread of Covid. Maybe they did and I missed it, but vaccines generally don’t stop the virus from spreading, rather they mitigate symptoms and significantly slow the mutation of the virus, which is why we haven’t gone through multiple strands/variants of covid like we did before vaccines or very early in their roll out. The slowing of mutation allows us to build up enough antibodies over time that the virus is more easily combated and slower to spread.

Just like the flu vaccine doesn’t stop the flu, and a new vaccine is needed annually to keep up with the virus’s mutations, the same will be true for covid going forward.

Also, previous vaccines did not completely eradicate diseases, which is evidenced by diseases long thought dead are popping back up now that there are more people not vaccinating their children.

The idea that the vaccine was rushed and unsafe is simply untrue. The vaccine went through the exact same testing rigors as any other vaccine. Yes, the process was sped up, but it didn’t skip any step of the testing and approval process. And it shouldn’t be surprising that it was made quickly, you had every major pharmaceutical company in the world devoting essentially 100% of its resources to creating a vaccine for which there was already a baseline since we’ve created vaccines for other coronaviruses in the past.

The vaccine should be touted as a shining example of what private industry can accomplish when the government removes certain restrictions, which Republicans should love. But instead conservatives just like to spit out untrue gobbledygook. Although at this point gobbledygook seems to be the center of the Republican ethos.

I’d be interested to see where any expert said that the vaccine would completely stop the spread of Covid. Maybe they did and I missed it,
I think I was mistaken with that particular part of my claim and you are mostly correct here. The only person I was able to find who claimed it with authority in a quick google search was Biden. Obviously, his staff had to walk it back. Not that it’s a nothing burger for a president to say such a thing, but no one takes him seriously so I’ll give him a pass. Others hinted at it with open ended statements, mainly media types.

However, I don’t think you can deny the goalpost has been moved quite a bit as to what this vaccine actually does. And this is understandable, especially in light of my next point.

The idea that the vaccine was rushed and unsafe is simply untrue. The vaccine went through the exact same testing rigors as any other vaccine. Yes, the process was sped up, but it didn’t skip any step of the testing and approval process.
Maybe you didn’t mean to include the word, “rushed” in your first sentence. It’s definitely contradictory to what you stated in sentence three. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to convey.
In my opinion, the reason the goalposts for these vaccines kept moving is because no-one knew anything about it. They knew it didn’t kill everybody in the initial, rushed testing. They knew it reduced severity, slowed spread etc.
I’m not claiming the vaccine is the mark of the beast from Revelation. If I were elderly or had some co-morbidities I’d consider taking it.
As I stated on previous post, I think we potentially dodged a bullet, and hopefully there are no long term effects. (We just don’t know yet)

We then mandated it for many people. And I’m libertarianish so obviously that sticks in my craw.
 
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Now, you did mention expert, but the internet has managed to nearly wipe clean all the people of MSM that were calling nightly for people who did want want the vaccine to be exterminated. That being said, you would think the POTUS and CDC director would be in touch with the experts.
I don’t remember msm calling for the unvaxed to be exterminated. Maybe you were just being hyperbolic? I do remember them using language that would be considered “othering” and shaming. Heck man, I remember being incredibly torn early on. I’ve got a wife and four young kids to consider, it was a stressful time for sure, for everyone.
 
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They were and are able to opt out.


Yes because solving an obesity crisis through a marketing campaign would have so much easier and faster than a vaccine.

Your obsession with bragging about being thin is borderline narcissistic. We get you don’t like fat people, but stop whining about obesity while you still vote for politicians who openly mocked Michelle Obama for pushing for healthier school lunches.

Yes because solving an obesity crisis through a marketing campaign would have so much easier and faster than a vaccine.
Excellent point. The obesity crises is a multifaceted issue for sure. I do wish they would’ve paid it more lip service early on but it would’ve never made a huge difference if this virus was as deadly as we feared it could be initially. Hopefully people are paying attention, because that info is readily available now, and are making necessary lifestyle changes where they can.
 
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Ah yes, a meme from noted doctor and virologist James Woods. I mean, he’s played a doctor in movies, right?
No the Meme was posted by James Woods.

The Doctor quoted in the meme was employed by the World Health Organization.

We can see your critical thinking skills are pretty shallow.
 
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Looks like your rabies shot didn't take.

And for the record, you should never take medical advice from Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson or RFK.
That may be so. But, their advice was more correct than the official sources in regards to covid and the vaccine.

That says way more about the official sources than it does about anyone else.
 
That may be so. But, their advice was more correct than the official sources in regards to covid and the vaccine.

That says way more about the official sources than it does about anyone else.
Tell me you don't understand how science works without telling me you don't understand how science works.
Advice from right-wing propagandists is only right if you believe them more than professionals and only with cherry-picked anecdotal hindsight.
 
I think I was mistaken with that particular part of my claim and you are mostly correct here. The only person I was able to find who claimed it with authority in a quick google search was Biden. Obviously, his staff had to walk it back. Not that it’s a nothing burger for a president to say such a thing, but no one takes him seriously so I’ll give him a pass. Others hinted at it with open ended statements, mainly media types.

However, I don’t think you can deny the goalpost has been moved quite a bit as to what this vaccine actually does. And this is understandable, especially in light of my next point.


Maybe you didn’t mean to include the word, “rushed” in your first sentence. It’s definitely contradictory to what you stated in sentence three. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to convey.
In my opinion, the reason the goalposts for these vaccines kept moving is because no-one knew anything about it. They knew it didn’t kill everybody in the initial, rushed testing. They knew it reduced severity, slowed spread etc.
I’m not claiming the vaccine is the mark of the beast from Revelation. If I were elderly or had some co-morbidities I’d consider taking it.
As I stated on previous post, I think we potentially dodged a bullet, and hopefully there are no long term effects. (We just don’t know yet)

We then mandated it for many people. And I’m libertarianish so obviously that sticks in my craw.
Let's not forget the vaccine was formulated to protect against the original strain of the virus that was much less transmissible and at that time it did appear to protect against the spread, but there were so many people who didn't get vaccinated that it quickly mutated into a highly contagious strain(s) that evaded the vaccine's protection. Just because the virus changed and mutated didn't mean the goalposts moved, it just means the science and hence the advice changed as the virus evolved.
 
I read these responses and I just don’t get it. I don’t understand what has happened to a portion of our country that they would support a person who has openly, openly stated his desire to create an authoritarian like strong hold on the country. He has flatly stated “I will be a dictator.” He has flatly stated that he will use the federal government to punish political rivals. He has flatly stated that he wishes to create a religious task force that supports Christianity. He has flatly stated and his legal team is currently arguing that he is immune to the law. He has suggested, multiple times, that he will not leave office even after a 2nd term.

In 2020 he openly stated that the election would only be fair if he won. He told us over and over and over again that if he didn’t win, he would create a massive constitutional crisis and people just brushed this off - and then he did it and he is still doing it.

Every Republican candidate (minus Christie) stated they would still support Trump even if he were CONVICTED. This is astounding and this is absolutely how dictatorships are established. Loyalty to an individual over country, loyalty to a party over country, a dissolution of legal institutions and a rejection of basic truths are the blue prints followed by virtually every authoritarian regime in the history of the world.

Now he’s using verbiage like “vermin” and “poisoning the blood” which should be absolutely terrifying language to anyone who knows anything about European history from about 1924-1945.

And Republicans march out this whataboutism of - some sort of art fraud? Money laundering? Dick pics? I’m with you 100%. If Joe Biden broke the law, he should be convicted. Yet so far Republicans haven’t been able to produce evidence of such. And even if they are proven correct, even if it turns out they’re 100% right about Biden and whatever fraud they’ve accused him of, even if they impeach him and convict him and push him out of office, even if he is tried and convicted in court and put in prison, even if all of that happens, he still does not represent the existential threat to our free republic that Trump does - and has flatly told us that he is a threat to the republic.

It makes my head hurt that people can listen to what he says and not see he is an authoritarian in waiting. It’s insane that people can watch his followers literally attempt to stop a legal election process in congress and just brush it off like nothing happened. Why do we no longer care about the institutions that have built our country for centuries? Why do we no longer care about the rule of law?

It seems clear to me that Trump supporters actually want authoritarianism, they want fascism, they want dictatorial rule. They want punishment for political rivals and the establishment of a religious task force and the country to be operated with an intense xenophobia. They want the unraveling of American institutions and a rejection of objective facts in favor of a post truthism that kowtows more to their desires and beliefs.

It’s truly soul crushing to watch the the undoing of the American political system in real time.

You're 100% correct. The majority of the Republican Party has lost their minds supporting someone who isn't even a Republican.
 
Are you the type of person to rage against "election deniers" whilst totally disregarding all the democrats (especially Hillary) that flat out refused to believe that Trump won in 2016? "Illegitimate President" talking points for years during his term.

Just curious if you're that type

Exhibit A of the stupidity of a large portion of my party.
 
Wait, I'm not reasonable all of the sudden because I don't agree with you? Is that where we are now? You can only be civil if I line up with your opinions? You my friend, are an example of what's wrong with the country. This Nation was formed on being able to disagree and still be civil but here we are.

You compared Hilary Clinton complaining about the FBI and Russia stuff to Trump claiming the election was rigged. Hilary conceded and Trump never did and then he helped incite an insurrection at worst or a mob of crazy right wingers attacking the capital at the very least.

They aren't the same. Saying that they are makes you sound unintelligent.
 
I guess it hits differently when you're on Team Red and you live in a ruby red state with all ruby red friends and family, now doesn't it? I'm not just speaking for myself, even though his time in office did strain relationships with some of my friends and family, but just about everyone I know has similar stories, including one friend who barely has any relationship at all with his extended low-country family, because how dare he not worship the godly Trump king? It's a sickening, ridiculous cult that has turned otherwise decent human beings into brainless conspiracy theorists, completely detached from reality. It's about morality more than anything else and I'm sorry that you don't recognize it, but it's real.

Not sure how you ostriches can bury your head in the sand after witnessing the most insane, unthinkable things a president has ever done and now that he openly threatens to be worse, you say no biggie?

The man has literally destroyed your party, which no longer exists and now even though you're homeless and you know it will get worse if he's re-elected, you just shrug and go, oh well. Life might go on but this country will never be the same again and you know it.

Stop your preaching because I'm not a member of your choir.

You're becoming just as unhinged as the Trump supporters, you know that right?
 
You're becoming just as unhinged as the Trump supporters, you know that right?
Not sure why you only focus on my posts when you come after the left-leaning posters, because I care about my credibility and always try to make sure that what I say is backed up with fact-based evidence. But please explain what's unhinged about the post you responded to. Don't walk away from the question or call names, just provide what's wrong or "unhinged" about it.
 
You compared Hilary Clinton complaining about the FBI and Russia stuff to Trump claiming the election was rigged. Hilary conceded and Trump never did and then he helped incite an insurrection at worst or a mob of crazy right wingers attacking the capital at the very least.

They aren't the same. Saying that they are makes you sound unintelligent.
They are the in fact, the same thing.

Also, Trump isn't being charged with insurrection.
 
Let's not forget the vaccine was formulated to protect against the original strain of the virus that was much less transmissible and at that time it did appear to protect against the spread, but there were so many people who didn't get vaccinated that it quickly mutated into a highly contagious strain(s) that evaded the vaccine's protection. Just because the virus changed and mutated didn't mean the goalposts moved, it just means the science and hence the advice changed as the virus evolved.
Imagine being this fvcking gullible and stupid
 
Imagine being this fvcking gullible and stupid
Yeah man, for someone who believes that illnesses are caused by demon sperm and gets their medicine from Barney's Feed & Seed, I can see why you'd think that.
 
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