Trump shot in ear at rally?
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You will see on this video that those snipers with Police on their back are indeed Secret Service. You will see at 8:30 of this video that they have a patch on their left sleeve that says 'United States Secret Service Special Operations Division (ERT)', then at 8:47 of this video you will see a side angle where you see the above mentioned patch and 'Police' on their back. So, I think you might be wrong about thinking they were not SS.
No. I don’t want to hear any bullshit from Bill Barr. He had a chance to nip this in the bud and he didn’t do shit
He’s in on it
More background reporting on the shooter. Registered Republican wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt at the scene with classmates saying he was conservative with an interest in going military/ROTC. This does not sound like a leftist at all.
WHAT?
Yeah if parents knew he was making explosives that would be one thing but this was not a kid. He is 20 years old. Why should the parents be held criminally accountable for their id being a dumb ass. My 20 year old goes shooting with friends on occasion and if he wants to take one of my guns with him, he is welcome to.
Now my son is mentally stable and has grown up around guns and in gun control situations but still...if he did something stupid, why would I be held responsible for his actions. He will be 21 in October and he is responsible for his actions. I can still guide and direct him to do the right things but he is an adult.
So many people trying to make this fit a narrative, when did this country go insane?…oh yeah, social media, silly me.
Do you know what political party his parents affiliated with? Were they both Republicans? Were they both Democrats? Or were they one of each?
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If you willingly provide a weapon to someone and they use it to commit a crime, you should carry some responsibility no matter how old your son is.
I'll agree to disagree here and that is fine. I guess I just have a family who has always been around guns. When my dad lived up here, if me and my buddies went shooting, he never had an issue with my grabbing his guns to add to the shoot.
I've borrowed and let buddies borrow guns to shoot and hunt. I'll guess may I am too lax on some things relating to guns but an adult is responsible for their own actions.
I mean if you let someone borrow your car, they go to the bar and get drunk, drive, and kill someone...is that on me?
How far does it go? Someone comes to your house and you cook steaks...you provide them with a steak knife and they proceed to stab someone in the neck with it...is that on you?
Guess I just feel like a father should know his son...now I will say this. If the rumors of him being an ANTIFA guy and posting that shit on social media and the dad provided the gun, then that is a different level b/c that would trigger concern of mental illness or at least mental confusion/issues.
I don't see where it's relevant what party he favored. If i was the left and wanted to find somebody to assassinate my enemy, i wouldn't look on my side for the shooter either.
And most 20 year olds likely just register to whatever party their parents do.
If we are believing everything that’s being posted in the internet, apparently his only charitable donation was $15 to Biden the day he was elected
Dude, you should spend less time creating videos and more time paying attention. You AND Darrell Owens, whoever the heck he is. I heard on EVERY news outlet (Fox and CBS, NBC) that he WAS a registered Republican..........as if that's even germane. Dang man. Gee.
It’s all unraveling…..
Damn you're stupid. Trying to equate the attempted assassination of a former & future POTUS to a riot on J6. I would say get some help, but there is no help for you that would suffice.
The "low points" are your IQ score.
That lady needs protection. Not SS protection, because we have all seen how that works out.
This lady needs to be protected because the village idiots are running amuck.
Hunter Biden & Joe Biden sold out our country for their financial gain.
You have no problem with that though.
Haven't read entire thread. Still, some critical failures here. A federal agent on Rivals MB said the rooftop the shooter was on was 150 yds from the stage and outside of their security perimeter. If that perimeter range is true, some folks need to be fired. Gross negligence to not have every rooftop, window, and/or access point secured at least out to 1 mile. Hell, if the shooter had been trained at US Army Sniper School at Ft. Benning, they have capability to hit targets 2 miles away with right weaponry. The fact that there was no LEO on that roof prior to this means some local and state level LEO leadership should also be fired.
Just a cascading series of failures.
Just a cascading series of failures.
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If you are going to hand a weapon to someone that cannot legally purchase it themselves, you have be have some level of responsibility. What @nmerritt11 is saying would be true in my house as well, and I have full trust that my son will not do something crazy like this, but if it were to happen then I've failed in multiple ways and would have to own up to it.
That’s fair but you can purchase rifles and shotguns in SC at age 18
So technically he could but your point is fair and valid. I am just not sure it should be a criminal act. Now it would mentally fvck with me for life for multiple reasons especially if I could look back and see signs of signals that should have been noticed
Oh look. Another stupid MF'er.
So according to you, someone comes into my house, finds my guns and kills someone with them. I'm responsible for that?
I have a safe. My son is over 20. He has the combo. So if he somehow in a fit of rage decides this world would be a better place without you in it, I am responsible?
Nah! People need to be held accountable for their actions.
One libertarian and one democrat. Both are social workers I believe.
We already have that one case a few months ago in that shooting where the parents were charged. But they were negligent in that issue. That is what I was referring to here. If the father gave him the weapon, or did not secure it knowing that his son was not stable mentally. That is what I was referring, just as was the case in that mass shooting incident where the parents were charged and found guilty.
OK I'll ask like I asked above: Where do you draw the line?
If I loan my car to someone or even my kid and they go to a bar, get drunk, and kill someone driving...am I criminally negligent when I had no idea they were going to drink and drive?
If I have a cookout at my house and someone stabs someone in the neck with it and kills them with my steak knife am I responsible and criminally negligent?
If someone borrows a hammer from my garage and uses it to beat someone to death, is that on me?
Where do you draw the line?
Now if someone was not mentally stable and that is documented, I can see where that is a bigger issue but is there anything proving this young man was?
I mean, I know some really great parents who's kids do some stupid shit but why should they be charged criminally for that?
I am actually glad that they are making it more about the shooter and not the gun...not overly shocked with the situation but glad it is not being used as anything other than a piece of shit who tried to assassinate someone and unfortunately innocent people were hurt and killed by this dumbass
Like you might feel, that is a difficult line to draw. How much did the shooter's parents know. If he got his father's assault rife and said I'm going to shoot Trump, and the father said, well good, I hate the SOB. I'm sure that you would feel that the father culpable (at least I hope you would!!!). But if the father knew his son had mental issues and hated Trump and heard him make some disturbing comments but not necessarily said he was going to kill Trump, but he left his rife unsecured, well I think he has some culpability in this. My son is 24 and spends a lot of his off time in his room when not in school or work on the computer playing games. I walk into is room with a little knock on his door and go right in. I may sit on his bed and talk to him for a bit, but I would certainly know if he is in there making bombs. When a child of yours is living under you roof, you are usually going to have some culpability. If I sat at home and drank beer with my son and knew he might be above the limit but let him go drive to the store to get more beer and he crashing into someone and causes a death, well guess what, I have some culpability.
So, you can draw that 'line' however you want. but you and I can't make the definition of that line. The courts will. You just need to do what you can to keep you and your family safe, and part of that is knowing what your children are doing in your household, and even have some understanding what they are doing in their household is beneficial. That is a part of parenting...
