There's no federal law enshrining abortion. what's the alternative to leaving it up to the states?
Trump supporters with teenage daughters
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lol. Fail.
Move to a left leaning state since you love left leaning policy.
Problem solved.
He can’t even tell you the substance behind why he’s afraid of his daughters’ rights being in danger. Can’t specify exactly what right, besides abortion, and will just move the goal post when his talking points are depleted. He went from asking about abortion and states to saying “EVERY debated issues that’s not consensus should be sent to the states.”
His well has run dry.
Glad I could help. Feel free to reach out on any other issues you may be confused about. Always willing to lend a helping hand!
We can debate when life actually begins. I think based on evidence it begins when there is fertilization. I think that life is certainly present by time their is a heartbeat which is around the 5th week. A woman may not even realize she is pregnant by this point. So, yes I think abortion affects the baby.
What I find ironic is that the left and the democratic party have always tried to say that they stand up for the oppressed or the "voiceless." But not in this case. The baby has no voice so it's OK to kill it. I think that speaks to broader problem that the left has. They have created this huge block of voters in the working class who feel like the left has ignored their voice and these people are voting for Republicans now. You see it with minority groups especially males. These groups are starting to realize that the left has used them for decades and essentially kept them voiceless. The Republicans' especially Trump, started listening to them, And many of them showed up to vote for him. That is why he won.
You’re truly worried about your daughters’ rights in America? Or is this just a cool thing to say?
I worry about a lot of stuff for my daughters, but I have no concern over their rights.
The dem party has basically given lip service to minorities and low/no wage earners for decades with little results to improve their actual quality of life. In large part, that can only be done through work opportunities that make people no longer dependent on govt.
In reality, their political goal is continued repression and forced reliance. The truth is they have basically said keep voting for me and I will keep letting you stand in line and get your govt cheese, flour, etc.
Under Trump, real wages, labor participation, wage gaps between rich/poor(particularly with minorities) were all at decades level positive levels. The groups that benefitted the most may not have known those statistics at the time, or even now, but they "knew" it when they were living through it based on their improved quality of life. They also know it is not that way now. Trump did the exact thing dems have been promising(and failing) to do for decades.
Lots of gibberish there to make yourself feel better. Real question; third trimester mothers life at risk. Kill the fetus or kill the mother. Which do you choose?
I think you have to have a framework, though. The “clump of cells” has a heartbeat and is 100% life. The argument on which week is purely deciding what is most palatable for an individual’s conscience. For most women, this is a HUGE decision, and the reason is because you are destroying a life. If it’s just a “clump of cells”, then no woman would think twice about abortion.
I totally respect someone having that choice without govt interference. I think it’s silly we tie it to a week. Why should the govt remove a woman’s right to make a choice about her body at week 24, at week 34? That’s inconsistent. You can’t logically be pro-choice at week 15 but not at week 28. There’s no logic.
The reason is it is simply more palatable to destroy life before it looks too much like a baby. And we have to consider if we actually want unwanted babies clogging up our system.
But I am 100% in favor of less govt interference, less taxes from govt, less regulations, etc.
You’re more than happy to reduce their rights because of your beliefs. You sound like a dad every girl would dream of.
Maybe they'll be informed that actions have consequences. And getting pregnant while having protected sex is one of the outcomes.
This is too much of a nuanced issue to really reach a consensus on. I dislike abortion, but I also believe there is nothing more tragic than an unwanted baby being thrown into this world. But in reality, is it really such a tragedy to have to drive up to Charlotte to get your abortion?
This country was designed for the states to have most of the power…if the majority of your state wants a 15 week abortion ban, you live by those rules. The federal government has too much power, and I’m glad to see them giving some of it away.
Oh, and @johnhugh, do your wife and partner know about each other, or have I just misread you all these years? Congrats on getting married though!
This country was designed for the states to have most of the power…if the majority of your state wants a 15 week abortion ban, you live by those rules. The federal government has too much power, and I’m glad to see them giving some of it away.
Oh, and @johnhugh, do your wife and partner know about each other, or have I just misread you all these years? Congrats on getting married though!
Should slavery be decided by the states? What about legalizing murder? Isn’t the federal government supposed to guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? By passing down to the state for a ban on abortion, IVF, no fault divorce, you are violating all three.
Sorry but I’m not a fan of violating the constitution because a bunch of pussies are scared of letting women decide what to do with their own bodies.
My well hasn't run dry. I just went to bed at a sensible hour.
Also, I'm asking questions, not accusing people of things.
My concerns and fears are that the Heritage foundation will have top advisors in the white house pushing for a federal ban. https://www.heritage.org/protect-un...terprise will protect,(or better) on abortion.
We will defend the court victory by advancing pro-life legislation in the states and at the federal level and blocking the Democrats’ efforts to enshrine abortion on demand in federal law. The steps outlined below represent significant progress toward these goals that can be achieved even in a divided government.
My concerns are not unfounded as I take these people seriously. They are organized and will execute on their plans.
What you call a “right”
Is the killing of a life
Pray for forgiveness
Your moral high ground
Is, in fact, a field of bones
Repent in His Grace
You are an idiot.
Slavery is a moral issue for sure. No one should be subjected to such an awful practice.
Killing babies is a moral issue for sure. No baby should be killed.
Your opinion is that slavery should not be sent to the states but are content with the fed government abolishing it. You believe that abortion should also be a fed issue.
I personally don’t disagree EXCEPT, you are for killing babies. In your crappy example, that’s like saying you’re ok if the fed government allowed slavery for all states.
There’s a major difference in your idiotic example. Slavery (bad) is abolished (good). Killing babaies (bad) was not abolished (bad).
You are using a less than 3% example to justify the other 1 million elective procedures.
The issue to the pro abortion folks isn’t the 3%. That’s a front.
The issue is just that they want the right to decide wtf they want to do period, even if it’s killing a baby. And if they make that decision, they want no penalty for it even though morally, its as bad as murdering anyone else. No accountability for a nasty decision.
We are truly living in a fallen world. Thank God he’s provided an answer, but unfortunately most won’t take it.
To answer the OP's thread title..........my daughter voted for Trump. She's 22 so not in your "teenager" wheelhouse.
Lmao.
In the least shocking news of the day, Lib circles back to yet another hoax boogeyman.
2025 is the proverbial ghosts that I have been referring to.
Thanks for the rational discussion, but I’m through with our conversation. I hope your daughters never have to make a decision on whether to abort a baby or not.
My wife is a lifelong Democrat and she is quite pissed that I voted for someone who "doesn't support women's rights". It was quite a shock to see her reaction when he won. I needed some defense, so I did some research. I found this:
More than a million abortions were provided in the U.S. in 2023. That's a major finding from a report published Tuesday by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports access to abortion.
To be precise, researchers estimate there were 1,026,700 abortions in 2023. "That's the highest number in over a decade, [and] the first time there have been over a million abortions provided in the U.S. formal health care system since 2012," explains Isaac Maddow-Zimet, a data scientist with Guttmacher.
The Guttmacher report also found that medication abortions rose to 63% of all abortions in 2023, up from 53% in 2020. The research was conducted by surveying all in-person and virtual abortion providers in the country and adding up their abortion counts. Guttmacher has been doing this research since 1974.
2023 Abortion Statistics
This doesn't look like a ban on abortions to me. It is obvious that people can still get abortions. It may be harder, but IT SHOULD BE hard to get an abortion. I am pro-life myself, but it wasn't a deciding factor for me.
If Trump does ban abortions from the Federal level, I will certainly have issues with that, but as of right now, your argument stands on shaky ground.
