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Ukraine War
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I have 1 fully maga buddy remaining, for now. For 2 years he's been insisting we should give Putin whatever he wants in Ukraine, because "Putin is tough and he said he will use nukes."
I texted him last night to see what he thought about Putin going on TV and crying like a bitch for help. He said verbatim, "you're just a neocon warhawk."
There's no reasoning with these people.
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Ya …
The majority of that money has gone to Raytheon, Lockheed, General Dynamics and other DoD contractors to build new shit for our military OR to fund logistics to provide all of our old shit to Ukraine. Sure some of it has gone to bullshit, and that’s not ok … BUT it’s not like we are just giving Ukraine the majority or even remotely close to the majority of these funds.
Now … if you want to debate this from a perspective of continuing endless wars and funding the Military Industrial Complex, ya … I’m there with you man, but like I’ve said before in other threads and in this one … the majority of this money is staying in the US.
a couple of other things … 1) Russia is eventually going to win this war, the math is on their side. In true subhuman fashion, Russia will continue to throw meat into the grinder, like they always do, and eventually Ukraine isn’t going to have any fighting men left. The less Ukrainian men there are, the less Ukrainian men there will be for the Russians to conscript to fight us if we ever go to war with them. 2) Additionally, we have essentially gutted the entirety of Russia’s conventional pre-war and first strike capabilities without firing a single direct shot and it will take them quite some time to rebuild.
3) Lastly … this has allowed us to observe the Russians (a by extension, to some degree, the Chinese) in open conflict and evaluate their equipment and tech, WHICH IS UTTER DOG SHIT.
These three things are invaluable … which you can’t put a price tag on.
Russia, may NOT win this war. In fact, if Putin throws meat in the grinder, which I agree is the Russian tradition, they will coup Putin. Period.
Well that would be an excellent bonus! I wouldn’t hold my breath though …
I'm somewhere in between holding my breath and thinking Ukraine wins this thing by Christmas.
"Putin is at the top of his game." - Trump, August 12, 2024
Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
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UKRAINE-RUSSIA-CONFLICT-WAR
Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
Ukraine's manpower problem is growing worse as forces have moved from the frontlines of the war against Russia to stage an incursion into Russian territory.
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You are spreading actual Kremlin propaganda. Ukraine is fvcking Russia up somethin fierce right now.Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
UKRAINE-RUSSIA-CONFLICT-WAR
Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
Ukraine's manpower problem is growing worse as forces have moved from the frontlines of the war against Russia to stage an incursion into Russian territory.
I mean … wouldn’t you fight for your country until the last man??Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
UKRAINE-RUSSIA-CONFLICT-WAR
Ukraine Reportedly Sending Cooks, Mechanics To Frontlines Of War Against Russia As Manpower Problem Grows Worse
Ukraine's manpower problem is growing worse as forces have moved from the frontlines of the war against Russia to stage an incursion into Russian territory.
the Ukrainians will fight till the last man, and take out thousands of Russian commie dogs with them.
Either way, the West wins.
Either Putin, the commie c*nt, presses to the end, wins the war leaving no Ukrainian men left to conscript and completely depleting his military’s effectiveness (which has proven to be dog shit to begin with) or he presses to the end and the Russian people revolt and over throw him. Either way it’s a win for the US and the West.
I'm just passing along pertinent news on this subject. My feelings have been expressed already.
Rock on bro, just ensure youre passing this information on from a baseline of Putin being a commie bastard leading Russian dogs to the slaughter.
Nor do I, but the current policy on Russia/Ukraine isn’t as bad as you, the propaganda, is making it out too be. It ain’t great … but the more dead Russians, the more destruction of Russian assets, the further degradation of Putin power, the better it is for the US.
The only thing I wish we would do is route out the commie bastards in our own country. Rip them out root and stem.
I do not support the policy on a human level. The US would of been better off negotiating a ceasefire way back. I can see your reasoning though on a war strategy level and it makes sense in that regard.
The human aspect of me wants to see every commie ****er gutted and hung from a wall. The Christian me wants to see peace …. it’s a a daily dare I say hourly struggle.
Yes I would love to see a ceasefire and a stop to war but …. here we are. Putin cannot be allowed to win. If he does win, it has to be at an extreme cost … that is what is happening. The further he presses the weaker Russia becomes and ultimately that is good for US.
This is the part of RFK Jr’s Speech MSM Outlets Cut Out… 💊
How the United States Overthrew the Democratically Elected Ukraine Government in 2014, and Sabotaged Peace Talks between Russia and Ukraine
• In 2014, US Agencies overthrew the democratically elected Government of Ukraine and installed a hand-picked pro-western government
• In 2019, American walked away from a Peace treaty known as the Minsk Agreement that was negotiated between Russia and Ukraine by European nations
• In April 2022, America wanted a war… President Biden sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to force President Zelenskyy to tear up the peace agreement that was already signed by everyone.
—— Russia was withdrawing troops from various regions.
• April 2022, President Biden stated that his objective in the war was regime change in Russia.
—— Biden’s Defense Secretary, Lloyd Austin, simultaneously said Americas purpose in the war was to exhaust the Russian army to degrade its capacity to fight anywhere else in the world.
• This war has come at a great cost..
—— 600k Ukrainian young men died
—— 100k Russian young men died.
—— Ukraines infrastructure has been destroyed.
—— The Nord stream pipeline destroyed
—— we’ve now pushed Russia into a disastrous alliance with China and Iran..
Another quagmire to fuel the military industrial complex’s never ending desire for money and human lives.
Ukraine isn’t winning the war, and the US knows it. The goal should be to secure a substantive peace deal. It’s not capitulation. It’s a rejection of the idea that war should be fought without a reasonable, concrete idea of its conclusion. Is Ukraine going to take back the land it's lost? Not within the next few years, and not without the loss of hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Their recent campaign in Kursk Oblast, Russia is an admission of this. They lost a lot of men and equipment in Zaporizhzhia. They're slowly but steadily losing ground in Donetsk.
Putin is an evil person that doesn't value human life. The moral argument is definitely in favor of Ukraine, but it's not a reason to continue the war needlessly. It's not benefiting them. It's benefiting cynical American geopolitical interests. Putin's a threat to world peace, but we won't send our own young men and women to fight him. Russia was a legitimate threat to us, but we can laugh about destroying their army in Ukraine. Convenient.
Ukraine isn’t winning the war, and the US knows it. The goal should be to secure a substantive peace deal. It’s not capitulation. It’s a rejection of the idea that war should be fought without a reasonable, concrete idea of its conclusion. Is Ukraine going to take back the land it's lost? Not within the next few years, and not without the loss of hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Their recent campaign in Kursk Oblast, Russia is an admission of this. They lost a lot of men and equipment in Zaporizhzhia. They're slowly but steadily losing ground in Donetsk.
Putin is an evil person that doesn't value human life. The moral argument is definitely in favor of Ukraine, but it's not a reason to continue the war needlessly. It's not benefiting them. It's benefiting cynical American geopolitical interests. Putin's a threat to world peace, but we won't send our own young men and women to fight him. Russia was a legitimate threat to us, but we can laugh about destroying their army in Ukraine. Convenient.
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Ukraine's top general disobeyed Zelenskyy and blew up the Nord Stream pipeline without permission, report says
An explosive report in the Wall Street Journal says Zelenskyy okayed the explosion of the Nord Stream pipeline — before trying to row it back.
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Lets just hope and also hope we dont end up with a really crazy old guard replacement...
Not just America but the west. It was the west that backed the coup and brought us this war now and the looming World War...
Remember when the left was anti-war? Right up until Obama won and overnight, they went from anti-war to Warhawks. Remember Cindy Sheehan? She was the anti-war poster child for the Iraq war. On Tv every day, until Obama won. Then they never invited her back on or talked about her. Didnt see the anti-war protest on tv anymore either...
You can laugh but its a fact we supported and backed a coup in Ukraine that directly lead to the conflict. You laugh but at the same time want us to send troops there to fight, while you dont even have the courage of your own convictions to go and volunteer in the International unit there. You are happy if others are sent to that hell hole to fight and die however little chickenhawk...You are a coward. You are our Ike Clanton character from the movie Tombstone...
But it's also NOT A FACT that the US blew that pipeline. And I recall a lot of folks on here blaming the US for it. Weren't you telling us how the US did it and offering your boy Tucker's speculations as proof? I know that comrade Growlz was all in on blaming the US for it.
there is some half truth with your statement. I do believe the west was behind it for several reasons. Let give a few 1- who would benefit the most, the west. 2-US Navy warships were in the area at the time of the attack. 3- Biden said on tv that the pipeline would be shutdown right before it happen. Granted no hard evidence but plenty of circumstantial evidence that can lead one to believe the west was behind it. Also people need to look at the bigger picture and connect the dots. This started when Germany made an energy deal to buy natural gas from Russia instead of its allies. It was way cheaper for Germany. The west needed to build a pipeline from the middle east to southern Europe to lessen the cost of gas to Germany and Europe in general. They wanted to build thru Syria but Assad said no because of his relationship with Russia. Thus the west backed a civil war in Syria and funded ISIS to overthrow Assad so we could build that pipeline. At the same time Ukraine had voted in a pro-Russian government and was playing a key role in the sale of gas to Germany. The west didnt like this and backed a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and installed a pro-west government. Russia didnt like that and started backing pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. In 2016 an outsider named Trump won election in the US. Soon after the war in Ukraine stopped and ISIS got defeated in Syria. The pipeline never got built in Syria so the west need to check Russia selling gas to Germany. Thus it makes sense the west blew the pipeline to slow the flow of Russian gas into Germany. There is way more than we dont know when it comes to whats going on behind the scenes. But this thing didnt just start a couple years ago and Putin didnt do it because he's crazy. There are reasons why things happen and we should try to find them out and understand...Again my opinion doesnt mean Im stating a proven fact. Im a very deep thinker on matters like this. To not dig and question the narrative put out by the government is to fall for the propaganda like a sheep would...I have fallen for the propaganda with Iraq. Its what opened my eyes to how things really work, my red pill moment if you will...Also Ive stated from the start there are no good guys in that fight. Russia and Ukraine are both bad guys...
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Since Zelensky is a US puppet how can you seriously say the US was not involved. Do you think Ukraine could or would pull that off without US direction and backing?
Regardless of this pipeline stuff, do you think that we’ve given the Ukrainians enough to win the war, or simply enough to sustain the war?
I’m not opposed to aiding Ukraine. But if we’re saying it’s to ensure the survival of Ukraine, I think we have to concede that a long war of attrition with Russia isn’t going to accomplish that. Ukraine will run out of men and Western support before Russia runs out of men and material
