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Lots of folks in this thread need to do more reading. You are trying to give a simple answer to a complex problem.

Here’s a suggestion so you can stop being so ignorant.



Debunking the most pervasive myth about black fatherhood​

By German Lopez@germanrlopezgerman.lopez@vox.com Updated Jun 19, 2016, 11:25am EDT

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There's a very pervasive myth about black fathers: that they're more often than not absent from their children's lives. But if you look at the data, it turns out the truth is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggests.



New York Times columnist Charles Blowpreviously took on this myth. Blow started with the basis for much of the idea: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention datathat showed 71.5 percent of black, non-Hispanic children in 2013 were born to unmarried women, compared with 29.3 percent of white, non-Hispanic children.
But as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All In, 2.5 million of 4.2 million black fathers — or about 59.5 percent — live with their children. Levs's numbers suggest that it's not true, as the CDC figures suggests, that 71.5 percent of black dads are absent from their homes — but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're just as, if not more, likely to be involved in their kids' everyday lives. Blow cited CDC data that showed black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress, play with, and read to their children on a daily basis. While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant, the figures indicate that black dads are at least as likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those of other races.


Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with — but Blow pointed to policy-driven issues that may be driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers, David Leonhardt, and Kevin Quealy for the New York Times found there are 100 black women not in jail or prison for every 83 non-incarcerated black men. So mass incarceration has actually drained 1.5 million black men — many of whom are young and of marrying age — from their communities, making it more difficult for black women to find committed partners of the same race.

All of the data paints a more nuanced view of black fatherhood than the stereotypes suggest. It's not an issue of laziness, inability to commit to family, or another inherent flaw in black culture, as some people may suggest. There are real systemic issues at play — and most black fathers do seem to be trying make the future bright for their kids.
 
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You're expecting immediate results on something that counters ~300+ years of subjugation and discrimination in the US? Shit, it wasn't until around 1970 that redlining was even made illegal in the US, and you're expecting everything to be immediately reversed in ~50 years of policy?
Asians, Vietnamese, hispanics, legal or otherwise, seem to do ok. .
 
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Lots of folks in this thread need to do more reading. You are trying to give a simple answer to a complex problem.

Here’s a suggestion so you can stop being so ignorant.



Debunking the most pervasive myth about black fatherhood​

By German Lopez@germanrlopezgerman.lopez@vox.com Updated Jun 19, 2016, 11:25am EDT

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There's a very pervasive myth about black fathers: that they're more often than not absent from their children's lives. But if you look at the data, it turns out the truth is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggests.



New York Times columnist Charles Blowpreviously took on this myth. Blow started with the basis for much of the idea: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention datathat showed 71.5 percent of black, non-Hispanic children in 2013 were born to unmarried women, compared with 29.3 percent of white, non-Hispanic children.
But as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All In, 2.5 million of 4.2 million black fathers — or about 59.5 percent — live with their children. Levs's numbers suggest that it's not true, as the CDC figures suggests, that 71.5 percent of black dads are absent from their homes — but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're just as, if not more, likely to be involved in their kids' everyday lives. Blow cited CDC data that showed black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress, play with, and read to their children on a daily basis. While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant, the figures indicate that black dads are at least as likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those of other races.


Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with — but Blow pointed to policy-driven issues that may be driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers, David Leonhardt, and Kevin Quealy for the New York Times found there are 100 black women not in jail or prison for every 83 non-incarcerated black men. So mass incarceration has actually drained 1.5 million black men — many of whom are young and of marrying age — from their communities, making it more difficult for black women to find committed partners of the same race.

All of the data paints a more nuanced view of black fatherhood than the stereotypes suggest. It's not an issue of laziness, inability to commit to family, or another inherent flaw in black culture, as some people may suggest. There are real systemic issues at play — and most black fathers do seem to be trying make the future bright for their kids.
That’s one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever read on this board. A board that you post on. Often.
 
Someone provides articles backed up by CDC studies, and the usual suspects cry foul and cite anecdotal evidence and their feelings instead.

That definitely tracks given what I’ve learned about this board the last few years.
 
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Someone provides articles backed up by CDC studies, and the usual suspects cry foul and cite anecdotal evidence and their feelings instead.

That definitely tracks given what I’ve learned about this board the last few years.
 
I find your posts amusing because you just spew false narratives that at best are supported by your anecdotal evidence.

And you are the one claiming we have a literacy problem?!?!? PURE COMEDY!!

I find your posts of no value so I guess I will need to stop even responding

With all the Russian , Chinese and trolls on the internet I reply in on the street face to face talks with folks.

Inflation is still out the roof bad

Crime is out of control

Trump is curb stomping Biden and the US Senate is heading toward a possible almost 60 seat majority

Praying Conservative American takes back over America as the liberal left Democrats have done the damage that now people who care will have to fix
 
Lots of folks in this thread need to do more reading. You are trying to give a simple answer to a complex problem.

Here’s a suggestion so you can stop being so ignorant.



Debunking the most pervasive myth about black fatherhood​

By German Lopez@germanrlopezgerman.lopez@vox.com Updated Jun 19, 2016, 11:25am EDT

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shutterstock_119489962.0.0.jpg
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There's a very pervasive myth about black fathers: that they're more often than not absent from their children's lives. But if you look at the data, it turns out the truth is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggests.



New York Times columnist Charles Blowpreviously took on this myth. Blow started with the basis for much of the idea: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention datathat showed 71.5 percent of black, non-Hispanic children in 2013 were born to unmarried women, compared with 29.3 percent of white, non-Hispanic children.
But as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All In, 2.5 million of 4.2 million black fathers — or about 59.5 percent — live with their children. Levs's numbers suggest that it's not true, as the CDC figures suggests, that 71.5 percent of black dads are absent from their homes — but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're just as, if not more, likely to be involved in their kids' everyday lives. Blow cited CDC data that showed black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress, play with, and read to their children on a daily basis. While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant, the figures indicate that black dads are at least as likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those of other races.


Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with — but Blow pointed to policy-driven issues that may be driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers, David Leonhardt, and Kevin Quealy for the New York Times found there are 100 black women not in jail or prison for every 83 non-incarcerated black men. So mass incarceration has actually drained 1.5 million black men — many of whom are young and of marrying age — from their communities, making it more difficult for black women to find committed partners of the same race.

All of the data paints a more nuanced view of black fatherhood than the stereotypes suggest. It's not an issue of laziness, inability to commit to family, or another inherent flaw in black culture, as some people may suggest. There are real systemic issues at play — and most black fathers do seem to be trying make the future bright for their kids.


The above is so far off reality

This fake information article does nothing to fix problems

It's a paint job that has rusty metal underneath

Great job on bullshit though
 
I find your posts of no value so I guess I will need to stop even responding

With all the Russian , Chinese and trolls on the internet I reply in on the street face to face talks with folks.

Inflation is still out the roof bad

Crime is out of control

Trump is curb stomping Biden and the US Senate is heading toward a possible almost 60 seat majority

Praying Conservative American takes back over America as the liberal left Democrats have done the damage that now people who care will have to fix
Zero data to support your nonsense but trumpers are not living in reality so I guess this is par for the course.
 
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An innocent young American girl is killed by an illegal alien, and all you seem to continue doing in the wake is trying to convince everyone everything is ok.

Sad
Can you help us understand when it’s right to use data and when anecdotes are better. Seems like sometimes we need to look at the data and sometimes a story about a little girl makes all the difference.
 
The above is so far off reality

This fake information article does nothing to fix problems

It's a paint job that has rusty metal underneath

Great job on bullshit though
Data & analysis from scholars vs palmetto tiger’s observations in his small, limited world. Wonder which one has more credibility?
 
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My comments were re: the discussion about AA and the claims by some itt that AA culture was to blame for the crime rate. Regardless, the chart you provided only links up to 2021
 
My comments were re: the discussion about AA and the claims by some itt that AA culture was to blame for the crime rate. Regardless, the chart you provided only links up to 2021
Why do you think they commit violent crime at substantially disparate (read: higher) rates relative to other races? Why do you think they’re responsible for such an outsized impact on total numbers of violent crimes when they account for about 12% of the population?
 
Why do you think they commit violent crime at substantially disparate (read: higher) rates relative to other races? Why do you think they’re responsible for such an outsized impact on total numbers of violent crimes when they account for about 12% of the population?
I've made like 4 posts ITT addressing it. Is your claim that black people are instinctively criminal, and more likely to commit crimes than other races? Or is it that there are extenuating circumstances which affect the AA community moreso than others that would lead them be penalized more harshly, more frequently, and more often wrongfully than other races?
Because it's surface level analysis. Your argument essentially boils down to black people are more inherently prone to crime due to their culture, while completely disregarding the decades (centuries are more apropos) of policies enacted in the US that have acted as an anchor on AA families. Read some of the articles below, it paints a pretty interesting picture about what are some CATALYSTS of the prevalence of single parent homes in AA communities.

AA are also exponentially more likely to get prison time (and longer sentences) for actions that their white counterparts wouldn't.**
AA are 7x more likely to be wrongfully convicted of a crime than their white counterparts.*


*https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race Report Preview.pdf
**https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/
***https://theintercept.com/2018/02/05/mass-incarceration-class-predictor-race/
I've never understood the "cultural" argument. It's such a lazy and surface level view of the problems. Pretty much every data point out there suggests that poverty is the leading cause of crime.
And Prime posted more CDC articles corroborating the claim.
 
I've made like 4 posts ITT addressing it. Is your claim that black people are instinctively criminal, and more likely to commit crimes than other races? Or is it that there are extenuating circumstances which affect the AA community moreso than others that would lead them be penalized more harshly, more frequently, and more often wrongfully than other races?


And Prime posted more CDC articles corroborating the claim.
Those 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive. Both can be true and are - to some extent. I also think most people are exactly in life where they put themselves. Personal responsibility matters. Blaming everyone else for your problems is the height of weakness.
 
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I've made like 4 posts ITT addressing it. Is your claim that black people are instinctively criminal, and more likely to commit crimes than other races? Or is it that there are extenuating circumstances which affect the AA community moreso than others that would lead them be penalized more harshly, more frequently, and more often wrongfully than other races?


And Prime posted more CDC articles corroborating the claim.
That guy is a complete lunatic who isn’t worth the energy wasted to type a response.
 
Those 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive. Both can be true and are - to some extent. I also think most people are exactly in life where they put themselves. Personal responsibility matters. Blaming everyone else for your problems is the height of weakness.
No one's arguing personal responsibility doesn't matter. However, acknowledging there are external factors that help contribute to the "destruction of the nuclear family" (which seems to be what this board believes is the main problem) is how you (read: society) can help solve the problem. We've had centuries of subjugation and discrimination against a people that, up until the 70s weren't even allowed to get federal loans in some cities. Acknowledging the hurdles certain minorities in this country have to deal with doesn't mean you're absolving them of all personal responsibility; it's a step in the right direction of identifying current problems that are contributing to the rise of crime and hindering social mobility.

You want another comparison about how the effects of poverty and national subjugation/discrimination can affect a people? Take a look at Native Americans and what they're having to deal with out on reservations and in their communities.
 
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Those 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive. Both can be true and are - to some extent. I also think most people are exactly in life where they put themselves. Personal responsibility matters. Blaming everyone else for your problems is the height of weakness.
Blaming everyone else for your problems is the height of weakness. hrmmm

So it was the slaves fault for being slaves? It was the black peoples fault they were lynched and criminalized for existing during Jim Crowe? I'm not really following buddy.

Have you heard of Red lining? was that black peoples fault? They shouldn't blame others for their problems? They brought these problems onto themselves?

When they point at that history and how it destroyed their families for hundreds of years... oh thats just them not taking personal responsibility? Oh wait I get it, you will say that was over 60 years ago! Yah, these men were raised by men and women who were beaten, told they were trash, forced to go to seperate schools and made to be less human by the government and its racist citizens. They couldn't get loans, jobs, education the same as whites. But now, NOW its just them not taking responsibility.
 
Blaming everyone else for your problems is the height of weakness. hrmmm

So it was the slaves fault for being slaves? It was the black peoples fault they were lynched and criminalized for existing during Jim Crowe? I'm not really following buddy.

Have you heard of Red lining? was that black peoples fault? They shouldn't blame others for their problems? They brought these problems onto themselves?

When they point at that history and how it destroyed their families for hundreds of years... oh thats just them not taking personal responsibility? Oh wait I get it, you will say that was over 60 years ago! Yah, these men were raised by men and women who were beaten, told they were trash, forced to go to seperate schools and made to be less human by the government and its racist citizens. They couldn't get loans, jobs, education the same as whites. But now, NOW its just them not taking responsibility.
That guy is committed to going through life ignorant.
 
That guy is a complete lunatic who isn’t worth the energy wasted to type a response.

I see the liberal left wing Democratic Circle Jerk is out partying together

You guys are a TI Male Club who is always giving out mental hand jobs

Continue with your group emotional and mental masturbation as that is the freedom of America to do you own thing

I am definitely tuned out
 
Data & analysis from scholars vs palmetto tiger’s observations in his small, limited world. Wonder which one has more credibility?

If I might suggest a few of those illustrious scholars such as the 51 Un Intelligence Officers who claimed the Computer was a Russian Disinformation

Do you guys ever get tired of serving bullshit with whipped creme on top

No because you like the taste

My revenge along with Trumps is he is going to be elected

When he us the country will be better off

And I really don’t gave a crap what losers say about my ideology
 
If I might suggest a few of those illustrious scholars such as the 51 Un Intelligence Officers who claimed the Computer was a Russian Disinformation

Do you guys ever get tired of serving bullshit with whipped creme on top

No because you like the taste

My revenge along with Trumps is he is going to be elected

When he us the country will be better off

And I really don’t gave a crap what losers say about my ideology
The losers like your ideology. But that was the only coherent part of your post.
 
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Who pissed in your cornflakes? Dang life is going to be hell for you when General Trump retakes the WH.
sorry i laughed at your statement and turned it into a joke. I apologize for hurting your feelings
 
If I might suggest a few of those illustrious scholars such as the 51 Un Intelligence Officers who claimed the Computer was a Russian Disinformation

Do you guys ever get tired of serving bullshit with whipped creme on top

No because you like the taste

My revenge along with Trumps is he is going to be elected

When he us the country will be better off

And I really don’t gave a crap what losers say about my ideology
The 51 officers actually said it resembled Russian disinformation techniques, but that there was insufficient evidence to make a determination. Dont let the facts get in the way of your senile ramblings, though
 
Prayers to the Hadich family. This is a time to mourn, not politicize. Btw - is there a news article that states Talamantes is here illegally? I am not familiar with the credibility of a random Twitter account that calls itself “End Wokeness”, though I’m sure it is unbiased and only seeking truth.
 
LOL. OP doesn't realize that they FBI is reporting data that's almost 2 years old.
 
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