How the fake mail-in ballots made Trump lose the election while the Republicans gained 10+ seats and kept all the senate seats?
Just curious
@amynhop
Just curious
@amynhop
What's the republican voter fraud theory on
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There isn't any. They prefer not to address that question. It is why no one has offered any pushback to this thread.
I’m a republican and haven’t responded because I’m tired of all the politics talk for the moment. Biden won. Democrats have the house. Republicans make impressive strides there. Republicans will retain the senate.
I think all of the above is a positive combination having a split congress for a number of reasons and also think we should move on and move forward as a country.
If trump has a leg to stand on he’ll take it to court. If he doesn’t it’s all Twitter talk and he’ll be out of office in January. It’s that simple.
I think all of the above is a positive combination having a split congress for a number of reasons and also think we should move on and move forward as a country.
If trump has a leg to stand on he’ll take it to court. If he doesn’t it’s all Twitter talk and he’ll be out of office in January. It’s that simple.
We don't agree on much political wise, but we can agree on this. Nice post. This will actually be a good test for Biden IMHO. He is preaching that let's work together stuff, let's see if he can make it happen. Personally, I have no problems with a divided government like this. After 250 years, we have most of the laws and rules we need. We just need to run the show. Now obviously we need to figure out our debt and social issues, but we don't need a whole lot of new laws and rules.
To answer OP's question. And you certainly DO NOT belong in this example @ForzaTigre given your post. The Trumpians on this board believe it b/c Trump TOLD them they believe it. Therefore it must be true... End of story. It's been that way the whole time he's been President. EVERYONE is out to get me. Government is Deep State, Press are enemies of the People, you get the picture. Anyone who disagrees with him MUST be destroyed. When a few more lawsuits get tossed, he'll fire Fauci for DARING to disagree with him and DARING to follow the science.
Honestly, let's put fraud to the side for one second and just analyze how far from normal this election was. Most Americans vote down ticket, mixed ticket normally makes up a tiny percentage of the overall vote (or so I've read).
This election would indicate that a huge GOP turnout voted against the party presidentially but for the party in state representation.
What would be an amazing collection of post election stats:
-How many ballots were mixed ticket vs how many were straight line
-How many didn't vote for any president
-How many only voted for the president
-States where the independents cost each candidate votes/required votes to win
This would probably help with future polling as well.
We are going to be studying this election and the Trump era for a long time. I really feel that what we have seen is a rejection of the far left in the Senate and House, but also a repudiation of the behavior and rhetoric of the president. I really think America wants to see a move to the middle. There really is room for compromise if we can really work on issues that have some agreement.
My only ask is that you don't allow Elizabeth Warren as Treasurer........please not that.
Actually, a second ask......pick someone for defense that is familiar (first hand) with combat. Having been shipped into combat myself, I want someone that understands what we are sending our military into before doing it.
If it makes you feel any better, Biden absolutely will not appoint any Senators from a state with a GOP governor to any cabinet positions. So I really doubt Sanders or Warren will be anything other than Senators.
I totally agree with both of those. I imagine that you will see some pretty experienced people for those roles. I think Biden knows the expectations and I do this there is some advantage in having been through this process before.
I'm very biased here, but is this whole "far left" thing anything more than rhetoric? I feel like the majority of the policies Democrats actually propose and pursue are actually "middle" and popular solutions. I just also think Democrats are horrible at messaging and the GOP is very good at calling anything they don't like "radical" (and their voters believe them).
Honest question for the floor.
We (though my home state of Colorado where I work is a notable exception) were out communicated. You are right, the overwhelming majority of Dems aren't green new deal and defund the police supporters, but Republicans convinced their base and enough swing voters we were, and we weren't able to get out from under it.
I think the challenge stems from sifting through the media constants that highlight the far left centric dems/views to find the ideas/policies/politicians closer to the middle. Change, whether positive or negative can be a struggle for many so as you rightfully say, the messaging can be key or critical.
The dems have a pocket of progressives that I honestly think scares a good bit of the right. The question remains if that is a growing group or a limited group that can provide some valuable insight into more formidable, well structured policies or if we truly are facing stark changes.
I'd argue that anything to do with taxes isn't going to be popular unless it involves a reduction uniformly. Even Trump took heat on his tax reform so it's not directly fired at either party, it's just a touchy subject all together.
I would also say, in support of your statement, that even choosing to say ,"Defund" the police was terrible messaging. So many better ways to get the idea of reform and adding resources for family services, etc. Defund just sounds like you want to put policeman out of jobs.
100%.....reform/revamp/retrain ......all sound better than defund.
Also, look at all of us coming together without name calling and using common sense. Joe Biden is already uniting people. 😁😁😁
So I disagree somewhat. I made a big donation (big for me) to Biden right before the SC primary because I was struggling with what to do if Bernie won. For me the solutions lie in the middle, not the far right or far left. When all those dems raised their hands (excluding Biden) when asked in a primary debate "who here is for open borders?" I shat my pants. As silly as the wall was / is, I am certainly not for open borders. (KH for the record said after the debate that she raised her hand b/c she misheard the question) I am for smart border control, which means laws need to be updated, not fences.
I am not for universal student health care forgiveness. I don't think it is fair to the people who scrimped, saved and made difficult choices to pay for their children's college that the folks who had their kids just get loans get their debts forgiven.
Green new deal. A lot of great stuff in there, but it needs to be taken on in smaller steps. I do think renewable energy is crucial and we are getting left behind by other countries who are moving faster to that technology.
Defund the police. What is crazy is that nobody really meant they wanted to defund the police. They meant reform but that phrase stuck. Side note: the irony here in NYC is that Biden wants to increase federal funding to local police, while Trump keeps threatening to cut of funds to NY, thereby defunding the police.
The repubs did a great job of attaching all of this to Biden. I have heard so many people complain that Biden didnt have any plans of his own. But he had them on his website, in detail. the whole time. I pointed that out to many republicans (including @jakefest) and I guarantee you none of them went to look.
Good points!
I'm honestly not nearly informed enough to fully weigh in on this one. It was certainly an instance of Julian Castro stirring up panic and sending everyone sprinting. I don't think this was supposed to be open borders but it's honestly confusing to me.
I basically just agree with everything else.
EDIT: I'll note that I agree that it's a messaging problem. I think those were twitter policies and not policy policies, though (but perception is reality).
I'm honestly not nearly informed enough to fully weigh in on this one. It was certainly an instance of Julian Castro stirring up panic and sending everyone sprinting. I don't think this was supposed to be open borders but it's honestly confusing to me.
I basically just agree with everything else.
EDIT: I'll note that I agree that it's a messaging problem. I think those were twitter policies and not policy policies, though (but perception is reality).
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The truth is, you and I aren't that far apart on everything you just wrote with caveats around how they get executed and funded.
Agree with you on student debt, I had to pay mine off (and my younger brothers for that matter) and I don't think wiping the slate clean is just nor fiscally responsible. Perhaps a more approachable payment plan with lower interest rates is achievable here or maybe they give corporations the opportunity to take a tax credit if they pay off the debt upon hiring?
The Green New Deal has good things in it but needs to be revamped into less aggressive change and they need a better plan for how to fund it. Take for example our power grid, it's not tuned for renewable energy sources as they are not a stable/predictive current. We would need investment across the board. Also, are we certain there's no environmental impact for things like decayed car batteries? How do we solve for the lagging infrastructure for things like car charging stations at scale and enough of them to ensure you can drive across the country for example. All of that aside, I think we have to figure it out, just with more thought and prep.
Having served as an operator in the military, I can tell you what the police need is better high stress scenario training not defunding and better physical fitness standards. They should also hire better "CFO's" because I think they probably have spending leaks coming out their rears. First, Di Blasio defunded the police way before Trump threatened to pull funding......you know that. Second, he threatened to pull funding because they wouldn't unleash the police force to stop the city from being destroyed. This where we probably won't agree
(More to the points above, the government as a whole needs spend reform. When I left the military, I worked for the DCMA (Defense Contract Management Agency) and I can tell you that the entire government is not fiscally responsible or sophisticated in the least. We need better people setting and managing budgets.)
The repubs did what every party does every single election.......they find the face of the party, ie the president and they attach all of the opinions, legislation and varying views from the other party to said president. Biden isn't a standalone at the top of a country, he has to pick a cabinet and he has to keep his party happy. No different on the right.
To answer your question, yes.....I have read some of it. Haven't made it all the way through it as I have to spend too much arguing with you on here but I typically read/research as much as I can. Why the question? Is there a pop quiz later?
Update on how the Trump campaign lawsuits are going
Update on how the lawsuits are going......
Georgia audit to trigger hand tally of presidential vote
www.startribune.com
This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's lawsuits. This is being done because of how close the margin is.Update on how the lawsuits are going......
Georgia audit to trigger hand tally of presidential vote
This is where we are headed. No concession, but he will move on. Whatever. Have to preserve the narrative that he didn't lose, despite the overwhelming facts.
www.nbcnews.com
Trump may accept results but never concede he lost, aides say
“He’ll acknowledge the results and that we’ll never know how accurate they are," a Trump adviser tells NBC News.
www.nbcnews.com
Update on how the lawsuits are going......
Georgia audit to trigger hand tally of presidential vote
this is routine according to state law. and recounts rarely change results of swing significant numbers of ballots. this is normal. the lawsuits are not.
there is no funding mechanism in it. its not even a real bill, it's just 1 page.
i hate that it was introduced and I hate that Dems and the people I work for have to respond to nonsense because it was introduced.
whole text is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text
start at "resolved".
The defund the police marketing is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. So is social democrat.
Firstly, no one is defunding the police, the suggested policy stance is to divert funds out of the war on drugs and towards social work. The slogan defund the police actually sounds like it came from the GOP. ITs so self sabotage I've started to wonder if it didn't come from opposition.
Secondly, theres no such thing as a democratic socialist. Its made up nonsense because none of them are socialists, but boy does it make them seem less middle of the road..... its almost like the GOP again made these labels and yet, the left is promoting them. Its flabbergasting.
This isn’t true. I haven’t even kept up with what Trump has had to say in regards to the election fraud. One can use common sense and surmise something is up.
Steve Cortes said that it looks like over 450K votes have been found in the crucial swing states that only filled out Biden on the ballot and made no other selections. That would explain some of this. Its also a big sign of cheating as this number of votes cast in this manner has never happened before.
Don't listen to Steve Cortes. Everything he said in those videos is completely fabricated or misrepresented (and he knows it...).
Republicans split tickets and plenty of voters every year in swing states and beyond only vote for the presidential race.
For example:
"Americans have a long and demonstrated history of voting for president and skipping all or much of the rest of the ballot. It's a practice known as undervoting," the paper wrote.
"The 450,000 ballots identified as voting only for Biden are in five states. The total number of votes recorded in those states right now is about 24 million. That means less than 2 percent of people would have cast ballots for Biden and skipped the rest of the ballot."
This is a good summary that goes over other some of the bogus claims floating around: https://www.westernstarnews.com.au/news/truth-behind-viral-trump-fraud-graphs/4138589/
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I do not agree with your analysis. We will see how this plays out. I am with President Trump at this time.
Trump: "vote in person on election day".
Biden: "make a plan to vote absentee"
Pennsylvania GOP: "you can't vote absentee votes until the day of the election ".
Yes given the circumstances it makes sense. Perfect sense.
Probably taken out of context (which several will jump all over here as we get going this AM) but Biden's new COS admitting elections are rigged back in 2014
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Before everyone shoots down Gateway Pundit as hack jobs, you can go to twitter and look at the post.
Biden Chief of Staff Designate Ron Klain Said in 2014 That Elections Are Rigged | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
Ron Klain, chief of staff designate for Joe Biden, said in 2014 that elections are rigged.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Before everyone shoots down Gateway Pundit as hack jobs, you can go to twitter and look at the post.
I find it interesting to view the current Republican reaction to the election via the prism of the five stages of grief. And then it all makes perfect sense.
Within that framework, these responses are fairly textbook. Sadly, I fear that no amount of facts - or lack of substantial evidence of widespread fraud - will bring them to Acceptance. Prove me wrong, people!
The Five Stages of Grief
- Denial: No way did he lose to this guy!
- Anger: There must have been massive fraud! Flimsy lawsuits galore!
- Bargaining: Ok...he won't concede, but he may reluctantly accept the results.
- Depression: Oh fudge. The changeover to Socialism will probably happen tomorrow. We are so screwed.
- Acceptance: Well... there isn't any evidence of widespread fraud in multiple states that would have tipped the election. Time to accept reality and move forward. Thank goodness the GOP will likely retain control of the Senate and ensure a check on the Democrats' leftist agenda.
Within that framework, these responses are fairly textbook. Sadly, I fear that no amount of facts - or lack of substantial evidence of widespread fraud - will bring them to Acceptance. Prove me wrong, people!
The Five Stages of Grief
- Denial: No way did he lose to this guy!
- Anger: There must have been massive fraud! Flimsy lawsuits galore!
- Bargaining: Ok...he won't concede, but he may reluctantly accept the results.
- Depression: Oh fudge. The changeover to Socialism will probably happen tomorrow. We are so screwed.
- Acceptance: Well... there isn't any evidence of widespread fraud in multiple states that would have tipped the election. Time to accept reality and move forward. Thank goodness the GOP will likely retain control of the Senate and ensure a check on the Democrats' leftist agenda.
