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Big day yesterday! Can’t see how anyone but Biden takes it after the Democrat party panicked about the idea of a socialist being their nominee. Glad they have some sense.

I did enjoy seeing you attempt to justify voting for crazy Bernie though. Very happy that you will not have to.

Now we get to watch ole Joe yell and get confused and whisper sweet nothings in little girls’ ears. Should be a fun ride to November.

Did you hear that? That was the sound of Trump sh*tting his pants.

The Wall Street Journal reporting that the market expected to surge today on the news of Biden's super Tuesday wins. Let's call it a Biden Bump.

If Bloomberg drops out and promises his enormous amount of cash to Biden, and the dems manage to cajole Bernie's people better than they did in 2016, then Biden should wipe the floor with Trump in November.

I am glad to see that my pledges to Biden the last few days is what pushed him to the top.
 
a 10-12% pay cut wouldn't be all that bad, when you consider that you would be providing great benefits to many Americans that choose not to work. Look at like a charitable contribution, without the benefit of a tax deduction.

Thinking about that - how many people do you think have a 10-12% margin between their earnings and their expenditures?

We could argue that the SHOULD have a margin around that size, but we live in the real world and that could have real consequences.
 
Thinking about that - how many people do you think have a 10-12% margin between their earnings and their expenditures?

We could argue that the SHOULD have a margin around that size, but we live in the real world and that could have real consequences.
Not many. Quite honestly I meant to have sarcasm dripping from what I posted. If you feel the urge to help the needy, do! I do. But it's voluntary. It's giving. It's charitable. It's not charity or generous when you HAVE to give (via taxes). For all that believe we need to help the poor and needy more, I agree. Do it yourself and don't wait on the government to "make" you do it.
 
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Not many. Quite honestly I meant to have sarcasm dripping from what I posted. If you feel the urge to help the needy, do! I do. But it's voluntary. It's giving. It's charitable. It's not charity or generous when you HAVE to give (via taxes). For all that believe we need to help the poor and needy more, I agree. Do it yourself and don't wait on the government to "make" you do it.

I picked up your sarcasm. And I agree.
 
Did you hear that? That was the sound of Trump sh*tting his pants.

The Wall Street Journal reporting that the market expected to surge today on the news of Biden's super Tuesday wins. Let's call it a Biden Bump.

If Bloomberg drops out and promises his enormous amount of cash to Biden, and the dems manage to cajole Bernie's people better than they did in 2016, then Biden should wipe the floor with Trump in November.

I am glad to see that my pledges to Biden the last few days is what pushed him to the top.

Congrats! What excites you most about a Biden presidency?
 
He will definitely make it easier to find desirable employees again. Just like it was from 2008-2016.

you mean after the 2008 recession that happened under Bush? Here is a fun fact for you... Obama created more jobs in his last three years than Trump created in his first three years. So Trump actually slowed job growth. But don't let facts get in the way, carry on.
 
Surely you don't think unemployment numbers were better under obomer?

nice deflection. I didnt say that did I? Obama inherited a broken economy after 8 years of republican leadership and one of the biggest recessions in our history. Obama took the unemployment rate from a peak of 10% down to 4.7%. But dont let facts ruin your narrative.
 
Big day yesterday! Can’t see how anyone but Biden takes it after the Democrat party panicked about the idea of a socialist being their nominee. Glad they have some sense.

I did enjoy seeing you attempt to justify voting for crazy Bernie though. Very happy that you will not have to.

Now we get to watch ole Joe yell and get confused and whisper sweet nothings in little girls’ ears. Should be a fun ride to November.

I have a question for you... when Trump starts referring to Biden as a socialist, and all of the yokels on here start saying the same thing, will you also jump on that bandwagon?
 
I have a question for you... when Trump starts referring to Biden as a socialist, and all of the yokels on here start saying the same thing, will you also jump on that bandwagon?
perhaps. Trump didn't start calling your boy bern a socialist. Bern is a self proclaimed socialist and proud of it. Heard he is wearing a "Make Socialism Great Again" hat this weekend to rally the troops. Go get em Bern
 
perhaps. Trump didn't start calling your boy bern a socialist. Bern is a self proclaimed socialist and proud of it. Heard he is wearing a "Make Socialism Great Again" hat this weekend to rally the troops. Go get em Bern

Bernie calls himself a socialist. Did I say anything about Bernie? My post mentioned BIDEN. Buddy, in all seriousness, did you take your meds today?
 
I have a question for you... when Trump starts referring to Biden as a socialist, and all of the yokels on here start saying the same thing, will you also jump on that bandwagon?

I mean only if he starts supporting whacko left wing positions like free college for everyone, free government healthcare for everyone, mandated government controlled healthcare, taxpayers funding student loan forgiveness, open borders, free healthcare for illegals, etc.
 
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taxpayers funding student loan forgiveness

I'm gonna cherry pick here for multiple reasons mainly cause Bum Chillups@EDSBS is lighting up twitter with this.

Would a huge number of people with more discretionary money in their pockets be a bad thing for the economy?

Was/is loan forgiveness for Public Servants bad policy? (cost of education has way outpaced wages in the last thirty years.)

Full disclosure, I am a public servant at Federal and State level for 14+ years. The PSLF program would be a boon to my wallet. I wasn't begging for it but would happily take part if government didn't put so many roadblocks in way. I think at this point less than 2% of earmarked funds have been distributed.
 
I'm gonna cherry pick here for multiple reasons mainly cause Bum Chillups@EDSBS is lighting up twitter with this.

Would a huge number of people with more discretionary money in their pockets be a bad thing for the economy?

Was/is loan forgiveness for Public Servants bad policy? (cost of education has way outpaced wages in the last thirty years.)

Full disclosure, I am a public servant at Federal and State level for 14+ years. The PSLF program would be a boon to my wallet. I wasn't begging for it but would happily take part if government didn't put so many roadblocks in way. I think at this point less than 2% of earmarked funds have been distributed.

Define public servant? In certain cases, maybe.

Generally, the idea of taking money from people who paid for their own college to pay off loans for others who went to college is absurd.

scotchtiger, inc. will have paid for scotchtiger's college, Mrs. scotchtiger's college and has 529s set up for scotch Jr and another lil scotch.

Why on earth should my money go to paying off someone else's student loans? They took those loans out knowing they had to be repaid.
 
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I'm gonna cherry pick here for multiple reasons mainly cause Bum Chillups@EDSBS is lighting up twitter with this.

Would a huge number of people with more discretionary money in their pockets be a bad thing for the economy?

Was/is loan forgiveness for Public Servants bad policy? (cost of education has way outpaced wages in the last thirty years.)

Full disclosure, I am a public servant at Federal and State level for 14+ years. The PSLF program would be a boon to my wallet. I wasn't begging for it but would happily take part if government didn't put so many roadblocks in way. I think at this point less than 2% of earmarked funds have been distributed.

I am not a huge fan of student debt forgiveness. I think they should focus instead on making college more affordable.

My problem with it is if Family A with one kid saved, chose not take trips, bought a house they could afford so that they could send their kid to college without loans, then why should family B with one kid who did the opposite and their kid had to get loans get refunded. I am in favor of more grants for lower income kids.

I also think a public service option would be good, similar to what the military has today. Pay for school for the best and brightest if they agree to work for the government for a few years before going to financial firms and making bank. Create a non partisan think tank of smart kids to solve our problems.
 
Define public servant? In certain cases, maybe.
Generally, the idea of taking money from people who paid for their own college to pay off loans for others who went to college is absurd.
Public Servants - State and Federal Employee's just small example but military, LEOs, Teachers, Health Care Workers in under served (rural) areas where wages have not risen to cover education costs.

My understanding is the government is not raising anyone's taxes to pay for it. They are just allocating current funds for the program.

scotchtiger, inc. will have paid for scotchtiger's college, Mrs. scotchtiger's college and has 529s set up for scotch Jr and another lil scotch.

Agree in principal just not sure that is the reality on the ground. Also not sure if 529's or other state plans are keeping up. Don't have data nation wide. Some state investment programs were notoriously mismanaged if I remember correctly.


I am not a huge fan of student debt forgiveness. I think they should focus instead on making college more affordable.

This is the real problem but lower cost wont save those already caught in system.

Subsidizing education with terrible loan programs has led to dramatic increases in the cost of education with little in way of return (unless you are the loan industry or Higher Ed Institution). The Loaner and the Universities bear little risk but stand to gain big esp in short term. However, the ROI for borrower on a BS or BA is not good. Lots of factors here, saturation of labor market, change in skills needed, specialization, etc. Just not sure saying oh well, tough luck or better luck next generation is the answer.
 
Public Servants - State and Federal Employee's just small example but military, LEOs, Teachers, Health Care Workers in under served (rural) areas where wages have not risen to cover education costs.

My understanding is the government is not raising anyone's taxes to pay for it. They are just allocating current funds for the program.



Agree in principal just not sure that is the reality on the ground. Also not sure if 529's or other state plans are keeping up. Don't have data nation wide. Some state investment programs were notoriously mismanaged if I remember correctly.




This is the real problem but lower cost wont save those already caught in system.

Subsidizing education with terrible loan programs has led to dramatic increases in the cost of education with little in way of return (unless you are the loan industry or Higher Ed Institution). The Loaner and the Universities bear little risk but stand to gain big esp in short term. However, the ROI for borrower on a BS or BA is not good. Lots of factors here, saturation of labor market, change in skills needed, specialization, etc. Just not sure saying oh well, tough luck or better luck next generation is the answer.

I'm not familiar with the existing program, so can't really comment. In general, I agree with @nytigerfan. Wiping out existing debt shouldn't be the focus. Reducing costs and potential grants are a better solution.

I agree with your subsidization comment. Good example of why the federal government getting involved is rarely a good idea. They are largely responsible for the massive amount of loans available - with no consideration for what you actually get for the money borrowed.

Student loans should be underwritten just like any other loan - based on the likelihood of repayment. $200K loan for a degree in art history from a private college? LOL. $100K loan for Clemson Computer Engineering?
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Kids will have to think about how they will use their degree to actually make money and repay it.
 
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I'm not familiar with the existing program, so can't really comment. In general, I agree with @nytigerfan. Wiping out existing debt shouldn't be the focus. Reducing costs and potential grants are a better solution.
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Student loans should be underwritten just like any other loan - based on the likelihood of repayment. $200K loan for a degree in art history from a private college? LOL. $100K loan for Clemson Computer Engineering?
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Kids will have to think about how they will use their degree to actually make money and repay it.

Well imagine that, something on which we can all agree.

Now if we can address those damn corn subsidies.
 
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I have a question for you... when Trump starts referring to Biden as a socialist, and all of the yokels on here start saying the same thing, will you also jump on that bandwagon?

Why do we have to wait for Trump to mention anything? The only difference between Biden and Bernie is that Bernie is up front and truthful about it.
Biden just "appointed" Beto as his gun confiscation czar.
And then there's this from 2016...I rest my case:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/poli...-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/index.html
 
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Nobody is taking away guns. Some people are so easily triggered. Pun completely intended.

regulation can be good

deregulation can be bad

Letting people with tons of money influence without consequences is bad.

Banks, Insurance, Energy, Transportation, Agriculture have run amok without oversight
But let’s focus on immigration, reproduction, sexuality and guns because that’s what’s threatening America.

for what’s its worth I’m a mid 40s 20yr veteran with two degrees and six figure income. I love my country. I have served two deployments. Witnessed people walking and talking during the national anthem at Clemson games, drink beer on Sundays and dance lasciviously with both sexes. I have voted democrat and republican. The older I get the fuzzier the world becomes and the clearer my values get. I am bothered by the total worship of Trump Thumpers, the accusations of sexism by Warren Worshippers and Biden’s own blunders. I am troubled by my own withdrawal from politics b/c I’m not directly impacted. However I’m so frustrated with a process that gives us these candidates. It’s not about what’s best for Americans. It’s what’s best for the party. Maybe I’m still frustrated from a primary system that gave us Clinton and Trump four years ago. Is this the best America has to offer? We can do better. We have done better. Yeah we may be better off than the rest of the world but is that the standard? Better than the rest? We should be better than our best. We should be setting a standard for the rest of the world, ethically, morally and politically. I’m not naive. There is a reason we have the CIA, the military and the NSA. They are necessary tools.

However the enemy isn’t always outside our borders. Banks used to serve their community, now they serve their share holders. Capitalism is great when everyone plays by the same rules. but our market ain’t free. There are different rules for different classes. The law works differently for different net worths.

Again, I’m fine. I have two cars, three kids, two dogs and a house. I have one car payment, one house payment and am in good health. We have little debt and decent retirement. However, I cannot help but feel the game is rigged. I could be doing better. You could be doing better. America could be doing better with a little accountability and self-policing.

It’s one of those nights. All the best.
 
Not sure what gun control has to do with our current discussion about socialism, and your link didnt work.

Name a socialist country where the citizens are free to own weapons. "Gun Control" is an ambiguous concept. What was Beto promising when he was still in the race?
 
I'm not familiar with the existing program, so can't really comment. In general, I agree with @nytigerfan. Wiping out existing debt shouldn't be the focus. Reducing costs and potential grants are a better solution.

I agree with your subsidization comment. Good example of why the federal government getting involved is rarely a good idea. They are largely responsible for the massive amount of loans available - with no consideration for what you actually get for the money borrowed.

Student loans should be underwritten just like any other loan - based on the likelihood of repayment. $200K loan for a degree in art history from a private college? LOL. $100K loan for Clemson Computer Engineering?
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Kids will have to think about how they will use their degree to actually make money and repay it.

Did you see Trump’s CDC press conference? I honestly don’t know how someone like yourself can vote for that guy.
 
Did you see Trump’s CDC press conference? I honestly don’t know how someone like yourself can vote for that guy.

No, but you really think these guys are better? I could have at least entertained Bloomberg as being a competent manager for the country, but we're down to a socialist and a creepy guy with early dementia as the alternatives.

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Like I have said...

Is this the best we can do? We live in the greatest country on Earth. I feel like the Bachelorette trying to pick who gets a rose. Friggin politics is cray like a reality show.

Then again, its probably always been this way.
 
No, but you really think these guys are better? I could have at least entertained Bloomberg as being a competent manager for the country, but we're down to a socialist and a creepy guy with early dementia as the alternatives.

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To be fair, your using THIS as a line of attack is completely absurd. It might make sense if Trump wasn't your candidate but that's who you're voting for. Trump isn't any better than Biden on being a creep or coherent so let's just be honest and say that we prefer the policies of our respective parties more.
 
To be fair, your using THIS as a line of attack is completely absurd. It might make sense if Trump wasn't your candidate but that's who you're voting for. Trump isn't any better than Biden on being a creep or coherent so let's just be honest and say that we prefer the policies of our respective parties more.

I think Trump comes across significantly sharper and more coherent than Biden. The guy talks off script for an hour at his rallies. Biden is held to 7 minutes of canned content by his handlers and can’t get through that without mistakes. He can barley get through town halls and meet and greets without yelling at or insulting someone. It’s bad...

Trump hasn’t had awkward encounters with children. Just adult porn stars.
 
I think Trump comes across significantly sharper and more coherent than Biden. The guy talks off script for an hour at his rallies. Biden is held to 7 minutes of canned content by his handlers and can’t get through that without mistakes. He can barley get through town halls and meet and greets without yelling at or insulting someone. It’s bad...

Trump hasn’t had awkward encounters with children. Just adult porn stars.

I'm just saying this is an absurd hill to try and die on in this context. How is this "sharp and coherent" ?
“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”


Sold his company for a tremendous amount of money, and he went out and bought a big yacht, and he had a very interesting life. I won't go any more than that, because you're Boy Scouts so I'm not going to tell you what he did.
Should I tell you? Should I tell you?
You're Boy Scouts, but you know life. You know life … He got bored with this life of yachts, and sailing, and all of the things he did in the south of France and other places. You won't get bored, right? You know, truthfully, you're workers. You'll get bored too, believe me. Of course having a few good years like that isn't so bad.


Also Biden stands accused of being awkward with people. No doubt that's true. Trump is accused of sexually assaulting people and bragged about it on tape. I shouldn't have to explain to you which one of those is worse.

If the situations were completely reversed you'd 100% vote Trump and I'd probably still vote Biden. Let's just be honest about it.
 
I'm just saying this is an absurd hill to try and die on in this context. How is this "sharp and coherent" ?




Also Biden stands accused of being awkward with people. No doubt that's true. Trump is accused of sexually assaulting people and bragged about it on tape. I shouldn't have to explain to you which one of those is worse.

If the situations were completely reversed you'd 100% vote Trump and I'd probably still vote Biden. Let's just be honest about it.

Im not trying to die on any hill, but even Democrat’s are concerned with Joe’s mental acuity. And this is 77 year old joe. He will be 78 if he takes office and 82 when he leaves...

But you’re right. I’d still support trump even if he were mildly drooling on himself because I’m not voting for a big government liberal that wants to raise my taxes and expand entitlements.
 
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