⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[Clemblack]

Both daughters went into the trial thinking he was guilty. The turning point for them is what Poot has been driving home for the entire trial - they can’t see him killing his son. Most witnesses have attested to the closeness of the family and his grief seems genuine. Plus that’s not a lot of time to do what he’s accused of doing.

Ask them why he lied about being at the kennels, repeatedly. He only admitted he was there when caught. He lied because he knows the time of death. If he's innocent, they could have died at 10:05 for all he knows, and there is no reason for him to lie to remove himself from the scene.

 

[Clemblack]

The video puts Alex at the kennels, but what the video doesn't tell us is - was there more than 3 people at the kennels at the time. What if there was a 4th person that the family knew and didn't think there was a danger. Someone arranged by Alex (i.e. Cousin Eddy, John Marvin, etc.). Alex leaves to go the house and within a minute or two, gun shots take place by the 4th person.

Why did he lie about being at the kennels?

 

[Clemblack]

Do you think he dragged out the financial stuff yesterday so they could go over his testimony and match to the evidence before today's questioning? Not sure the phone stuff supports his testimony yesterday that he went to the house and took a 5-10 minute nap before leaving. Catch him in another lie.

Yes, I believe that was part of it. Waters did three things yesterday:

1. Show you that Alex's excuse of "paranoia around police" is another lie.
2. Show you how manipulative and smooth Alex is.
3. Stall so that his team can review yesterday's direct

 

[Chefkdh]

The video puts Alex at the kennels, but what the video doesn't tell us is - was there more than 3 people at the kennels at the time. What if there was a 4th person that the family knew and didn't think there was a danger. Someone arranged by Alex (i.e. Cousin Eddy, John Marvin, etc.). Alex leaves to go the house and within a minute or two, gun shots take place by the 4th person.

I still think there’s more to this Rogan character that for some unknown reason, neither side has called to the stand despite him being the last person Paul called and one of the first AM called

 

[TigerSlalom]

I think the problem the defense has that they can't overcome is that the state has proven him to be a completely dishonest person as evidenced by his many financial crimes against his clients and the accompanying lies he would have told to accomplish them. Then he admitted to lying to law enforcement from the beginning of the investigation. Now he says he's finally telling the truth. The only real evidence of his innocence is he denied the murders.
What I think is particularly disturbing about his financial crimes is he committed them, not to provide food and shelter to his family, but to live an incredibly lavish and entitled life style. For example he took his entire family, 4 to 6 people to the final four. How many tens of thousands of other peoples' money did that take. Likewise he took them to the Kentucky derby. In one photo with his wife and 2 children the males are wearing feathered bow ties to the tune of $200 each of other peoples' money. He apparently had housekeepers for both houses and hired a guy to take care of his dogs in the kennel. Now, all of that spending is fine if it's his money, but to steal from poor and ignorant clients to accomplish it is unforgivable. And for someone to think he is entitled to do that is a sociopath who will also kill his family if he feels its necessary. Two of the people I feel sorry for is his older brother Randy and his younger brother John Marvin. Randy's name was taken off a law firm that was known as the Murdaugh firm for over a 100 years and John Marvin sells tractors and has to live in a town where is name is the brunt of jokes. Pathetic!

I wouldn't feel too sorry for the brothers. They were all involved, to some extent, with Alex's issues. Wasn't it John Marvin that hauled the boat away when it should have been evidence and handled by the law enforcement? Also, wasn't it John Marvin cleaning out guns from the house after the murders. While they may not be guilty of any crimes, they also were exactly completely removed from the issues.

 

[88MechEng]

Ask them why he lied about being at the kennels, repeatedly. He only admitted he was there when caught. He lied because he knows the time of death. If he's innocent, they could have died at 10:05 for all he knows, and there is no reason for him to lie to remove himself from the scene.

Personally I like asking whether a 5’2” hit squad was sent from Walterboro to collect debts.

 

[Chefkdh]

Finally watched yesterday after watching the Netflix show, so obviously I think he's guilty and whole family are pieces of shit. I think he won't get convicted of the murders because at least one juror won't go for it - but has there even been a shred of evidence that anyone besides Maggie, Paul, and Alex were at the scene of the murders?

The argument to that is that SLED and LE screwed up the crime scene and investigation so bad that the possible evidence is lost

 

[TigerSlalom]

I still think there’s more to this Rogan character that for some unknown reason, neither side has called to the stand despite him being the last person Paul called and one of the first AM called

I thought the same thing. Seems like he may be able to have some information pertaining to the last minutes of Paul's life.

"Alex, if you didn't know that Paul had been murdered, then why did you call Paul's friend at roughly 9:30 who Paul had just been talking to? Is it common for you to call your kids friends direct?"

 

[PAWrocka]

Understand and I get where they're coming from. I'd go as far to say that the grief is genuine.

I have no doubt that AM misses his wife and son. I have no doubt AM wishes they were still here. But grief can come from self pity, shame, disgust and guilt too.

If I'm on that jury, I just can't give much weight to the fact that an admitted liar ( a stranger at that) is upset on the stand. For years, he deceived even those closest to him.

exactly ... it was all a act ... and all his words were very calculated.

The overuse of pet/nick names was utterly ridiculous. No one .... NO ONE ... talks that way. It was clear he was doing that to play on the sympathies of the jury .... and by reading some of the responses ITT, we have some gullible MF'ers on this board.

 

[stram]

The video puts Alex at the kennels, but what the video doesn't tell us is - was there more than 3 people at the kennels at the time. What if there was a 4th person that the family knew and didn't think there was a danger. Someone arranged by Alex (i.e. Cousin Eddy, John Marvin, etc.). Alex leaves to go the house and within a minute or two, gun shots take place by the 4th person.

If that were the case now would be a good time for Alex to mention this piece of information if he truly is not guilty and wants to exonerate himself. Well actually the night of the murders would have been a good time but here we are.

 

[TopGun01]

I would want photos of AM with guns entered today

ADD drug use talk about how much money spent
-if not lying then basically a zombie who “without sleep” (insert snot drip) could snap

ALSO where is the F’n MONEY? (got into that yesterday)

MAYBE hookers finally come in to the game

Waters has been so good all trial but it only matters if you have enough gas in the 4th quarter.

Please keep in mind that this is a very difficult case for the prosecution

so a hung jury is not a loss - but maybe it was headed that way all along

I don't think Waters helped the cause yesterday. Just my opinion. In watching all 3-4 hours he came across too aggressive while AM scored personality points as anything but a sociopathic monster (which I believe the evidence points to). I understand that Waters is establishing that AM is a thief with no ethics/morals as to his clients and law partners. But imo there will be jurors who see AM's calm, non-argumentative nature as proof that he couldn't be a cold blooded killer. Waters needs to move on and get to the facts of that fateful day and allow the jurors to be exposed to the horror of the murders themselves and hear again the lies told to investigators by AM just hours after the shooting. Hoping that AM is found guilty but I'm hedging that a hung jury is very possible.

 

[PawsFan_]

I’ve heard nothing but vague answers almost like he’s making it up as he’s going along.

His memory is good and provides a lot of details when asked about questions that really don't matter. When asked with important questions, he stammers and ends with, "but I'm not sure."

 

[TruTiger87]

I thought the same thing. Seems like he may be able to have some information pertaining to the last minutes of Paul's life.

"Alex, if you didn't know that Paul had been murdered, then why did you call Paul's friend at roughly 9:30 who Paul had just been talking to? Is it common for you to call your kids friends direct?"

Rogan was called to the stand. He was one of the first of Paul's friends that has testified.

 

[BarnwellTiger]

I still think there’s more to this Rogan character that for some unknown reason, neither side has called to the stand despite him being the last person Paul called and one of the first AM called

I thought the same thing. Seems like he may be able to have some information pertaining to the last minutes of Paul's life.

"Alex, if you didn't know that Paul had been murdered, then why did you call Paul's friend at roughly 9:30 who Paul had just been talking to? Is it common for you to call your kids friends direct?"

Unless I'm mistaken about the same Rogan, he was called by the state as a witness. I believe he was the first to identify the 3 voices on the kennel video. I believe he first testified he was 99% sure that was Alex's voice then later, when pressed, stated 100% sure. This was in the trial's early days.

 

[TopGun01]

Understand and I get where they're coming from. I'd go as far to say that the grief is genuine.

I have no doubt that AM misses his wife and son. I have no doubt AM wishes they were still here. But grief can come from self pity, shame, disgust and guilt too.

If I'm on that jury, I just can't give much weight to the fact that an admitted liar ( a stranger at that) is upset on the stand. For years, he deceived even those closest to him.

All true. But it only takes one juror (strong enough to withstand other arguments from the other 11) to hang this up and force the prosecution to re-try or plea bargain.

 

[TigerSlalom]

So Alex is on the stand and is openly admitting to stealing money. Doesn't this guarantee that the spends time in prison for those crimes?

 

[santee]

Seems the admission he was on drugs and that is why he lied, stole, etc. The fact he was on drugs makes him more likely to suddenly loose his sh..t and kill his family members.

They might as well plea the financial case after he has thrown in the towel on that. Just give him 30 years and he will be about dead when he gets out if he is not offed in prison.

 

[santee]

So Alex is on the stand and is openly admitting to stealing money. Doesn't this guarantee that the spends time in prison for those crimes?

Of course it does....you think they are just gonna say..."You admitted it so you can go." What the prosecution will agree to plea to will depend on the outcome of this case.

 

[Clemblack]

I still think there’s more to this Rogan character that for some unknown reason, neither side has called to the stand despite him being the last person Paul called and one of the first AM called

Rogan testified.

 

[KennyRogersRoasters]

- Mr Murdaugh, can we agree that the sky is blue?

- I assume you have a report of that, so I don't dispute that.

 

[PawsFan_]

I don’t convict a guy of murder with that type of anecdotal evidence. What you just described is reasonable doubt with that evidence.

Thank God you aren't on the jury.

 

[TopGun01]

So Alex is on the stand and is openly admitting to stealing money. Doesn't this guarantee that the spends time in prison for those crimes?

He has no defense for those crimes. He closed the door on that yesterday. He's trying to beat the murder charge and be a free man pending start of the next phase. No question he'll be in jail a long time. But there's millions of dollars hidden away that he could enjoy by his 70's along with supporting his remaining son. He's not a strung out junkie. Look at him physically and mentally. An oxycodone and oxicontin habit could not have cost him the millions that are missing.

 

[VaTiger85]

Here we go with the “Mags, PawPaw, and Bus” comments.

 

[castlesl]

The video puts Alex at the kennels, but what the video doesn't tell us is - was there more than 3 people at the kennels at the time. What if there was a 4th person that the family knew and didn't think there was a danger. Someone arranged by Alex (i.e. Cousin Eddy, John Marvin, etc.). Alex leaves to go the house and within a minute or two, gun shots take place by the 4th person.

What if an alien came down. You are making up alternative timelines with no reason to do so.

Alex should say if a 4th person was there, particularly since he his charged with the crime. You would think he would want to place a 4th person there but knows there will be no data to support it. No one else’s phone data / car data will corroborate that because he is the killer.

He has already thrown out several other names and there is plenty of data to say nope, not them.

 

[MisterSlappy]

- Mr Murdaugh, can we agree that the sky is blue?

- I assume you have a report of that, so I don't dispute that.

Post of the day......

 

[PawsFan_]

Good point. If he shot Maggie while sitting in the golf cart - 5'2" assailant.

Paul was killed in the kennels. Golf cart wouldn't have been in there. And there would likely have be blood on the cart.

 

[CUFever91]

I'm surprised some folks feel like his grief is genuine. Everything about him screams calculated and disingenuous. Calculated scheming is his default mode network. He cannot not do it. That's his life. To me, that comes through on the stand. He "cries". You can't boohoo that much and not have tears. He goes from "crying" to suddenly stopping and talks about putting Paul's phone back in his pocket. Then instantly resumes "crying". Con man. Paw Paw and all that over the top, made up stuff. If a jury can't see that as put-on acting... But there'll probably be a couple of gullable believers.

Yesterday showed he literally lied and cheated everyone in his life and preyed on them - including law enforcement, his family, his partners, the most disadvantaged and vulnerable of clients. I hope the jury can tell that his acting doesn't stop when he's on the witness stand. But there'll be somebody....

 

[TooterTownTiger]

Here we go with the “Mags, PawPaw, and Bus” comments.

Wish he was wearing his Gamecocks football jersey during his testimony

 

[ruckusman]

I'm surprised some folks feel like his grief is genuine. Everything about him screams calculated and disingenuous. Calculated scheming is his default mode network. He cannot not do it. That's his life. To me, that comes through on the stand. He "cries". You can't boohoo that much and not have tears. He goes from "crying" to suddenly stopping and talks about putting Paul's phone back in his pocket. Then instantly resumes "crying". Con man. Paw Paw and all that over the top, made up stuff. If a jury can't see that as put-on acting... But there'll probably be a couple of gullable believers.

Yesterday showed he literally lied and cheated everyone in his life and preyed on them - including law enforcement, his family, his partners, the most disadvantaged and vulnerable of clients. I hope the jury can tell that his acting doesn't stop when he's on the witness stand. But there'll be somebody....

The guy is a textbook sociopath. It’s on display right now.

 

[CUFever91]

The guy is a textbook sociopath. It’s on display right now.

Absolutely

 

[KennyRogersRoasters]

Here we go with the “Mags, PawPaw, and Bus” comments.

Say PawPaw again!

 

[eubyscott]

He has no defense for those crimes. He closed the door on that yesterday. He's trying to beat the murder charge and be a free man pending start of the next phase. No question he'll be in jail a long time. But there's millions of dollars hidden away that he could enjoy by his 70's along with supporting his remaining son. He's not a strung out junkie. Look at him physically and mentally. An oxycodone and oxicontin habit could not have cost him the millions that are missing.

I've been wondering all along where all this money is since he was suposedly "broke". I get he had a lavish lifestyle and some sort of drug problem. I don't believe for a second the drug problem was as bad as he makes it bc he'd be dead or at the very least look sickly. Dude looked like an oompa loompa up until after the murders when he lost a lot of weight.

I'm thinking along the lines of you that he knows the going down for the murders will effectively end his life but he might could eventually see the light of day outside of a prison if he only goes down for the financial crimes. Then he gets out, gets his hidden money and moves to some remote island. I know it sounds like a novel but this story is wilder than any novel.

 

[tigertown85]

Why can't most of you just accept the fact that he is innocent? He straight up told the prosecutor yesterday afternoon that he would never hurt them.
Move on with your lives and let the man go.

 

[eubyscott]

I just thought we were about to have confession on the stand!

AM: I got out of there bc I was getting ready to do what I didn't want to do. Long pause. Sweat.

 

[Lot4tailgater]

How long does withdrawal last. At this point he's been in jail for 4 or 5 months.

He stated the number of days he's been clean yesterday...536. I googled it. Came up to Labor Day weekend 2021. Which I believe equates to the weekend his law partners found out about his thefts and when cousin Curtis shot him.

 

[yungan]

I suppose they totally "overlooked" the midget

 

[PawsFan_]

Say PawPaw again!

LMAO!

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

"I didn't say goodbye bc I was headed towards the air conditioning ".
State better be glad I ain't on that jury. That's me.

 

[tigerken]

He has no defense for those crimes. He closed the door on that yesterday. He's trying to beat the murder charge and be a free man pending start of the next phase. No question he'll be in jail a long time. But there's millions of dollars hidden away that he could enjoy by his 70's along with supporting his remaining son. He's not a strung out junkie. Look at him physically and mentally. An oxycodone and oxicontin habit could not have cost him the millions that are missing.

He was already in jail with no bond for the financial crimes before he was charged with murder. He's not going free. He admitted to all the financial crimes on the stand so that alone will likely keep him in jail for life. There will be no leniency at sentencing due to the way he took advantage of his former clients and how badly they needed the money.

 

[TigerSlalom]

Does the Truck data show Alex going straight to the house or kennels when he came back from his parents? Because if Alex thought Paul and Maggie came back to the house before he left (he just testified to this), then why would he go straight to the kennels when coming back about an hour later? Especially if he "didn't want to go down there" earlier in the night?