⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[Clemblack]

Harpootlian is earning some of his pay this morning. He’s got that law partner rattled on cross. Excellent job of discrediting what this guy said by getting him to loose his cool like that.

On a side note, having watched multiple people from their law firm testify, I think we should open a grand usury investigation into everything that firm has done. None of them seem like they have any character whatsoever.

What did he discredit? Do you think the jury questions that Crosby rode around with Paul and a 300 blackout? Do you think the jury questions that you can kill lots of hogs during the daytime? What part of his testimony might the jury think he was lying about? He challenged Dick to question the truth of anything he said. Dick can only say "you're mad at Alex."

Agree completely about investigating the law firm. And PSB.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

'Poot is big mad. Woke up and chose scorched Earth this morning.

 

[99Tiger]

It would depend on the case. But it’s pivotal to the states case. Change that time of death just 10 min and he looks totally innocent except for lying. His phone would show he was gone and couldn’t have possibly done any of the other stuff during that time.

So—you think it’s more likely they completely ignored their phones (both of them) for another 10 minutes? While getting texts and calls?

All due respect that is unreasonable especially considering the amount of activity that was occurring on their phones prior.

What were they doing for those 10 minutes while ignoring texts and calls? Would be one thing if they had no incoming activity (or an unsent video that was just taken…and that person repeatedly texting them asking for it)—but it’s a HUGE leap.

Would wonder the last time that evening both Maggie and Paul went 10 minutes without using their phones independently…let alone at the same extremely convenient and coincidental time (as it turns out)

 

[madchad]

did Alex have a gun or fire a gun in the roadside debacle?

Ha. a .22

 

[Clemblack]

So—you think it’s more likely they completely ignored their phones (both of them) for another 10 minutes? While getting texts and calls?

All due respect that is unreasonable especially considering the amount of activity that was occurring on their phones prior.

What were they doing for those 10 minutes while ignoring texts and calls? Would be one thing if they had no incoming activity (or an unsent video that was just taken…and that person repeatedly texting them asking for it)—but it’s a HUGE leap.

Would wonder the last time that evening both Maggie and Paul went 10 minutes without using their phones independently…let alone at the same extremely convenient and coincidental time (as it turns out)

This entire case - the entire story - is told by Paul's phone. Some people don't like that, and that's fine. But Paul tells you from the grave the time of death and he tells you Alex was there and lied. Paul also tells you it's highly unlikely that Alex "got out of there" by 8:47, as Alex would have you believe. Paul tells you that no mysterious bad guy was there lurking (no dogs going crazy).

 

[GSMTiger]

This entire case - the entire story - is told by Paul's phone. Some people don't like that, and that's fine. But Paul tells you from the grave the time of death and he tells you Alex was there and lied. Paul also tells you it's highly unlikely that Alex "got out of there" by 8:47, as Alex would have you believe.

Agree. Paw Paw's phone speaks louder than any possible lie or story that Ellick might try to spin.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

Dr. Riemer is outstanding. Savage without knowing.

 

[clemsontiger02]

Dr. Riemer is outstanding. Savage without knowing.

Agreed. And she's a teacher, so her explanations are easy to understand.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

Poot woke up in his feelings. This shit is outstanding.

 

[PawsFan_]

3.9 mill. for Moselle and good buy for the Edisto house.. 955,000..
Step up home board and buy Edisto house.

And they are going to throw in two Murdaugh ghosts for free.

 

[TopGun01]

Agreed. And she's a teacher, so her explanations are easy to understand.

But she's very nervous and it's showing. That shouldn't alter the facts but a defender of AM will think that she's either unsure of her testimony or lying outright. It only takes one staunch supporter of the defense to screw this up.

 

[castlesl]

I agree with this. How can you “love” someone when all your actions say you don’t.

Alex said he deeply cared for then and to this day many of the people he stole from. He has this weird way of compartmentalizing emotion. He doesn't let his supposed care (which I think he thinks he does care for them) impact the action he takes around them.

Almost like there are two different Alex's, the one that had to do what he did and the other that regrets it, loves them and wished that it didn't have to be that way.

 

[99Tiger]

I don’t see how you can just say it wasn’t here . Phone recognition is not 100%. I put in my pin enough to say it could have not been her.

That’s not grasping at straws. The time of death is very important to the case. Was the phone pinged at the main house because to my knowledge it wasn’t. Show me that and I’ll change my verdict.

I don’t see how you can just say it wasn’t here . Phone recognition is not 100%. I put in my pin enough to say it could have not been her.

That’s not grasping at straws. The time of death is very important to the case. Was the phone pinged at the main house because to my knowledge it wasn’t. Show me that and I’ll change my verdict.

Did she put in her pin this time? Evidence would suggest no, since phone wasn’t unlocked…

Sure—facial rec isn’t 100% but how often do you give up unlocking phone when facial rec doesn’t work?

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

But she's very nervous and it's showing. That shouldn't alter the facts but a defender of AM will think that she's either unsure of her testimony or lying outright. It only takes one staunch supporter of the defense to screw this up.

My score shows Doc R 1 and Poot being thoughtfully placed in his body bag at 0.

 

[PawsFan_]

Can someone explain to me why the state didn't press John Paul more on the notion that he's still looking for the killers?

My guess...

You don't want the jury to even think there are any possibilities than AM. Allowing the Murdaugh clan to present names without having to provide evidence would on risk creating doubt in the jury's mind.

 

[castlesl]

Can someone explain to me why the state didn't press John Paul more on the notion that he's still looking for the killers?

Like, how? When? Where?

Where is the evidence that the family has undertaken an all-consuming manhunt that any family would if two of its members were murdered?

We keep hearing about threats on social media. Where are the screen caps, the referrals of those threats to law enforcement, the records of text conversations among the family about the biggest threats?

While all good questions, the risk is it is thrown back into the face of LE. They are taking enough heat about the mistakes made that night and the subsequent mistakes through the initial investigation.

John Marven just as well may have said - "we are waiting on law enforcement to do their job. They have waisted so much time and energy on Alex and the real killers are still out there and you guys aren't even looking for them."

It is kind of a no win type question, he will blame and deflect.

 

[acmnni1]

Harpootlian is earning some of his pay this morning. He’s got that law partner rattled on cross. Excellent job of discrediting what this guy said by getting him to loose his cool like that.

On a side note, having watched multiple people from their law firm testify, I think we should open a grand usury investigation into everything that firm has done. None of them seem like they have any character whatsoever.

Totally disagree. That guy made Harpotlian look very desperate. It was clearly a win for the prosecution.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

Agree 100 percent. Anyone who's followed the actual court hearing closely, and not the news media or Netflix doc, has saw this firsthand.

SLED messed up from the beginning and investigators were not good. The gentleman who took the stand yesterday, testified that the Prosecution had it all wrong and there were two shooters, and the States theory proves that the person had to shoot Paul with a shotgun from less than 3 feet from the ground.

All the prosecution could say was "you were hired by the defense, right?" It's their only comeback and it's not a good one. That guy isn't some hick investigator who's new to these types of things. He poked holes all in the states theories and basically painted the picture of it being impossible to have happened as the state says it did.

As someone who had their mind made up before the trial started, I've had a change of heart after maybe missing a few minutes of the entire thing. You can read through this thread and tell who isn't watching the actual trial or who's only watched the Netflix doc or listens to Mandy. It's like those people who were at Clemson all day watching 1 team play, but try to tell you what other CFB teams look like because they saw ESPN talk about it. Can't watch highlights or listen to someone else's opinion and then have an educated convo about. It's one of those things you actually have to watch yourself and try to educate yourself on before forming an opinion.

At least, that's what I've learned.

Two shooters, huh? Explain that one please. Entrance, exit without a trace of evidence or visibility. Are they Navy Seals?

Also, has AM showed one ounce of remorse for not staying at the Kennels 4 more minutes to stop these trained assasins?

 

[castlesl]

Agree 100 percent. Anyone who's followed the actual court hearing closely, and not the news media or Netflix doc, has saw this firsthand.

SLED messed up from the beginning and investigators were not good. The gentleman who took the stand yesterday, testified that the Prosecution had it all wrong and there were two shooters, and the States theory proves that the person had to shoot Paul with a shotgun from less than 3 feet from the ground.

All the prosecution could say was "you were hired by the defense, right?" It's their only comeback and it's not a good one. That guy isn't some hick investigator who's new to these types of things. He poked holes all in the states theories and basically painted the picture of it being impossible to have happened as the state says it did.

As someone who had their mind made up before the trial started, I've had a change of heart after maybe missing a few minutes of the entire thing. You can read through this thread and tell who isn't watching the actual trial or who's only watched the Netflix doc or listens to Mandy. It's like those people who were at Clemson all day watching 1 team play, but try to tell you what other CFB teams look like because they saw ESPN talk about it. Can't watch highlights or listen to someone else's opinion and then have an educated convo about. It's one of those things you actually have to watch yourself and try to educate yourself on before forming an opinion.

At least, that's what I've learned.

I have watched the majority of the testimony and I don't have any doubt and haven't for a while that he killed them. The two guys yesterday have reasons why they believe what they believe but I suspect other experts will disagree.

The only value (and don't get me wrong, it has value) that the two guys yesterday brought was it made the state look like they don't know what they are doing. Both Paul and Maggie were viscously shot and killed and the only one who knows exactly how it was done is the killer. Paul's murder is particularly difficult because of the total destruction done.

I didn't buy the explanation on Paul yesterday. I don't believe that the physics makes sense the way the guy described it. No way bird shot leaves the exit would the way it would have had to in order for that to make sense. The pattern expands rapidly when it comes in contact with mass.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Two shooters, huh? Explain that one please. Entrance, exit without a trace of evidence or visibility. Are they Navy Seals?

Also, has AM showed one ounce of remorse for not staying at the Kennels 4 more minutes to stop these trained assasins?

I didn't say I want him to walk. But the trial is on YouTube, and you can find it if you're interested in hearing it. Yesterday's expert witness explains in detail his expert opinion. That's how I learned of it. I watched it.

 

[castlesl]

Well said. It appears this case should have been a slam dunk but LE and the prosecution have left the door wide open

It was never going to be a slam dunk with out the murder weapons and some of the other key pieces that are missing.

 

[castlesl]

I think anyone who gets on the stand is supposed to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

They are telling "their" truth. Opinion is just that, opinion.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

I didn't say I want him to walk. But the trial is on YouTube, and you can find it if you're interested. Yesterday's expert witness explains in detail. That's how I learned of it. I watched it.

Ive been watching. But maybe I missed some things you guys have seen. I haven’t seen a single crime scene photo of the bodies or the shots they took. Just descriptions. Without seeing photos of the wounds and bodies, how can you tell which “expert” is more accurate?

 

[PawsFan_]

Two shooters, huh? Explain that one please. Entrance, exit without a trace of evidence or visibility. Are they Navy Seals?

Could be onto something. They were near a river.

 

[88MechEng]

Two shooters, huh? Explain that one please. Entrance, exit without a trace of evidence or visibility. Are they Navy Seals?

Also, has AM showed one ounce of remorse for not staying at the Kennels 4 more minutes to stop these trained assasins?

This. I’ve wondered whether he has said anything about not being there or at least lamented the fact he didn’t stop by the kennel to take Maggs with him to visit mom.

 

[castlesl]

I didn't say I want him to walk. But the trial is on YouTube, and you can find it if you're interested in hearing it. Yesterday's expert witness explains in detail his expert opinion. That's how I learned of it. I watched it.

You need to understand that they have opinions and those opinions will likely be challenged with just as much veracity. Their explanation on Paul does not fit with other evidence at the scene and it doesn't fit with how physics works either.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Ive been watching. But maybe I missed some things you guys have seen. I haven’t seen a single crime scene photo of the bodies or the shots they took. Just descriptions. Without seeing photos of the wounds and bodies, how can you tell which “expert” is more accurate?

I can't tell which one is more accurate because I'm not in position to know that. I'm very familiar with what I don't know. In fact, I know what I don't know. One wouldn't call me an expert in forensics.

My original point in my first post is that the Jury isn't watching the Netflix documentary and then making their decision. They're not listening to Mandy's podcast and then making their decision. They have the responsibility of listening to it all, for 8 hours and then forming their opinion, allegedly "without any news media or persuasion".

It's extremely difficult for people to see "both sides" and not have a predetermined opinion. I'm fascinated by that very thing. Being open minded. Again, as I stated several times above, many people are claiming all sorts of "motives" and opinions that have never made it trial. That alone should give you pause on what to believe. It did me.

 

[jeffcoat]

3.9 mill. for Moselle and good buy for the Edisto house.. 955,000..
Step up home board and buy Edisto house.

@Cris_Ard can buy Moselle so we have a TI Hunt Club.

 

[Tiger Guru]

You need to understand that they have opinions and those opinions will likely be challenged with just as much veracity. Their explanation on Paul does not fit with other evidence at the scene and it doesn't fit with how physics works either.

Of course. Thats the very reason they called another "expert witness" instead of just one. The Jury will make that determination.

 

[eubyscott]

Oh wow I didn't even catch that.

Conrad or whatever that lawyer's name was seemed really unprepared.

The fact that John Paul was allowed to go grab the boat after the accident makes me almost physically ill.

I kind of understand not having Waters question every witness over a 6 week trial but I don't think I'd be having sub-par attorneys questioning defense witnesses, especially an important one like the brother, in the largest case this state has seen since at least Susan Smith, arguably ever.

Just don't think this case is the time for "on the job training".

I agree that lawyer seemed very unprepared.

 

[Lot4tailgater]

Also, has AM showed one ounce of remorse for not staying at the Kennels 4 more minutes to stop these trained assasins?

Had not thought of this. Excellent point. If he says it during his testimony, it probably doesn’t mean much. The fact that he didn’t does.

 

[toasted8CU]

Yeah it keeps getting brought up by both sides. What I find interesting is he doesn't include his wife by saying THEM. Pretty strange to me.

I will always believe he knows who did but it wasn’t him. I feel like that moment he slipped and said what he said

 

[Lot4tailgater]

I kind of understand not having Waters question every witness over a 6 week trial but I don't think I'd be having sub-par attorneys questioning defense witnesses, especially an important one like the brother, in the largest case this state has seen since at least Susan Smith, arguably ever.

Just don't think this case is the time for "on the job training".

I agree that lawyer seemed very unprepared.

Good point on the enormity of the case in SC. I think it’s probably the biggest ever where there was actually a trial. SS confessed. I think I heard where she is out of prison now.

 

[acmnni1]

After hearing the sheriff this morning we KNOW Alex committed perjury on the stand.

 

[MBTiger23]

After hearing the sheriff this morning we KNOW Alex committed perjury on the stand.

How so?

 

[other1]

Good point on the enormity of the case in SC. I think it’s probably the biggest ever where there was actually a trial. SS confessed. I think I heard where she is out of prison now.

She's eligible for parole on 11/4/24

 

[Larry_Williams]

My guess...

You don't want the jury to even think there are any possibilities than AM. Allowing the Murdaugh clan to present names without having to provide evidence would on risk creating doubt in the jury's mind.

That seems far-fetched to me.

 

[Larry_Williams]

After hearing the sheriff this morning we KNOW Alex committed perjury on the stand.

Details? I didn't see it.

 

[Larry_Williams]

While all good questions, the risk is it is thrown back into the face of LE. They are taking enough heat about the mistakes made that night and the subsequent mistakes through the initial investigation.

John Marven just as well may have said - "we are waiting on law enforcement to do their job. They have waisted so much time and energy on Alex and the real killers are still out there and you guys aren't even looking for them."

It is kind of a no win type question, he will blame and deflect.

I don't know, just seems like not a bad idea to press on these theories of people from social media murdering two of his family members.

Would love to see some actual evidence that they 1) did consider these people real threats before the killings; 2) actually did make concerted efforts to find them after the killings.

 

[eubyscott]

Good point on the enormity of the case in SC. I think it’s probably the biggest ever where there was actually a trial. SS confessed. I think I heard where she is out of prison now.

I forgot that never actually went to trial. Then this is definitely the biggest trial in the history of SC.

If Waters is able to get a guilty verdict that’s the kind of thing that makes a career. Read a write up about him where he was the lead guitarist for a band in Columbia up until about 2 years ago. Larry Williams-like.