⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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I saw a study a year or so ago that an estimated 1/20 people convicted were innocent. I'm basing it on that number and the Documentary of those people who tell their stories. Gut wrenching thinking about that. (Estimated that 975 people are innocently convicted every year in the US)
So help me understand, what defines beyond reasonable doubt?
Court TV live feed. Buster Murdaugh has lost quite a bit of weight.
Prosecutors begin opening arguments now!
Prosecutors begin opening arguments now!
Prosecution opening statement highlights:
-The shell casings from the AR-15 used at the crime scene match shell casings that Alex and others had used elsewhere on the property
-Alex owned three AR-15s that were identical to the one used in the killing, but only one was recovered at the house
-A few weeks after the killings, Alex was seen taking a "blue tarp" to his sick mother's house. Later, investigators recovered a blue raincoat from her attic that had gunshot residue on it
-There was gunshot residue on Alex the day of the murders
-The shell casings from the AR-15 used at the crime scene match shell casings that Alex and others had used elsewhere on the property
-Alex owned three AR-15s that were identical to the one used in the killing, but only one was recovered at the house
-A few weeks after the killings, Alex was seen taking a "blue tarp" to his sick mother's house. Later, investigators recovered a blue raincoat from her attic that had gunshot residue on it
-There was gunshot residue on Alex the day of the murders
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-Alex's phone pinged moving toward the kennels
-Paul's video (taken at 8:44:55 PM): Paul's voice, Maggie's voice, and Alex's voice
-8:49:01: Paul's phone locked forever (even though PM had ongoing text conversation with a friend up until that time)
-8:49:31: Maggie's phone locked forever
-[Undercuts AM's alibi that he was visiting his father and hadn't been at Moselle until he discovered the bodies]
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-Alex communicated with people with his phone and left the house after 9:00 PM -- including texting Maggie
-[Claims this is him creating an alibi]
-Gets back to Moselle at 10:01 and calls 911
-[Claims this is him creating an alibi]
-Gets back to Moselle at 10:01 and calls 911
Dick Harpootlian about to go off . Mandy Matney is literally shaking .
Started HS at Wade Hampton midway thru 11th grade, left for college after I graduated. So guess it was more like 1 1/2 down there. Parents lived down there a couple more years. Played ball in school. Haven’t been back in 20 years. Knew plenty of folks. Wasn’t as old as the dad and kids are younger. Didn’t ever need lawyers. My dad may have known them.
Defense opening statement:
-Second shot from the shotgun “exploded PM’s head”
-executed in a brutal fashion
-Maggie shot running, then walked up and shot in back of head – executed
-AM left house at 9:06 to visit Mom, since Dad went to hospital that day
-“cellphone records are incomplete”
-MM’s phone thrown out on side of road ¼ mile down the road from Moselle
-alternate theory:
AM comes home and finds his wife and son butchered.
-range of shotgun blast and wounds = shooter would have been covered in blood and spatter
-Second shot from the shotgun “exploded PM’s head”
-executed in a brutal fashion
-Maggie shot running, then walked up and shot in back of head – executed
-AM left house at 9:06 to visit Mom, since Dad went to hospital that day
-“cellphone records are incomplete”
-MM’s phone thrown out on side of road ¼ mile down the road from Moselle
-alternate theory:
AM comes home and finds his wife and son butchered.
-range of shotgun blast and wounds = shooter would have been covered in blood and spatter
(cont)
-cellphone records show AM would have had less than 10 minutes to kill them, ditch his bloody clothes, get back to the house, and then leave
-big question: one shooter or two? More likely two
Thanks PawJourney and TigerTC for providing the links for the LS.
Intrigued opening statements by both but hard to not get distracted and swayed by poot's reputation.
Will be interesting to see the presentation of evidence and how it corroborate with the contrasting argument already thrown out.
Intrigued opening statements by both but hard to not get distracted and swayed by poot's reputation.
Will be interesting to see the presentation of evidence and how it corroborate with the contrasting argument already thrown out.
Harpootlian seems like the lawyer version of Biden where he can’t find the words at time and starts mumbling
Unfortunately I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow at 10 AM. I guess I'll be sitting in the waiting room with my ear buds on...
After hearing both opening statements, my conclusion is that he did not kill them. But he was there to witness it
He's an exceptional attorney and going to do his job.
I wonder how the verdicts will be handed down when this is all over. Murder of PM....guilty/not guilty. Murder of MM...guilty/not guilty. Or on the two counts of 1st degree murder...guilty/not guilty. They do it both ways on TV haha.
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Thank You for the play by play
I disagree...but only the jury's opinion matters in the end.
State has a high burden, and can either factually prove beyond a reasonable doubt or AM will be acquitted. Last jury I sat on was a drug running case in Atlanta. We, the jury, felt he was guilty but you have to convict on facts so the guy walked.
If you have a smart tv, just go to YouTube. Don't know you'll have any luck on cable unless CourtTV is carrying it.
For the record, I didn’t say he was incompetent, just that he seems to be getting up there in age and fumbles with words somewhat. “Hunting whatever it is they planted them sunflowers for, what was it quail? Anyways…”
Where did the shotgun blast residue come from on a jacket he then hid at his mother's? I have always felt he'd get out of it but that picture the prosecutor painted is hard to doubt.
He did a great job reminding them naturally you assume they arrested the one who did it. However, you swore under oath to presume he’s innocent. It’s their job to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” that he did it. Otherwise, you have to look at him the entire time and say “ he didn’t do it”.
After thinking a bit on the opening statements I got the impression that much of the prosecution will be relying on a good bit of circumstantial evidence, although it could be quite compelling. OTH the defense wants to question 'why would a loving father/husband do just a heinous execution?'.
Buckle up boys and girls.
Buckle up boys and girls.
