This, they were big fish in a backyard Koi pond.
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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I lived in Hampton for 4 years and never heard of them. Knew some murdaugh’s but not this set.
I'm curious for those who believe this is how it happened....what was the motive to commit all the financial crimes he did over the years. I don't believe he thought he would get away with it. Of all his faults, I don't think it was a bumbling idiot. This just reeks of desperation to me and IMO there is zero chance these weren't tied to the murders.
If the arguments occur in the courtroom, it will likely be streamed. That's far more interesting than rote jury questions.
The same could be said of the greatest % of South Carolinians. Not so within this 5/6 county area of S.C. nor, probably more importantly, within political & upper law enforcement circles.
I assume you have integrity, which is why it’s hard to believe he didn’t know he would get caught.
In his perspective, it was normal because he watched 3-4 generations of family escape scrutiny and “get away with it”, whatever “it” was, which wasn’t ethical or legal.
Narcissists never believe that what they do is wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault.
Maggie became a complication & barrier due to pushing an investigation into their finances and not allowing an appraisal of the beach property.
Paul was a by product of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
They had video and audio for the argument on the motion.
I think Paul was a royal PIA to the whole family and was in the right place at the right time…. May as well kill two birds with one stone.
It is hard for me to conceive of a more bumbling idiot at the end game. He stole a lot of money from a lot of people. His wife was going to get a financial accounting and then most likely divorce him. His law firm and his reputation were going to crash. His son was going to jail. If his life was a movie, you could already here the police sirens racing to the scenes of his crimes.
Did he confess his monetary crimes, throw himself on mercy of the court, repent, claim he found Jesus and beg forgiveness? No. Did he run away? No. Instead he did even more stupid stuff. He quickly made himself a bumbling, national aughing stock disgracing himself and his family forever. The prosecutors think he killed his wife and son.
I think he was certainly a bumbling idiot.
Alex Murdaugh’s Murder Trial Nears Final Jury, Opening Arguments
The defense can choose to strike 10 potential jurors and the state can strike five in whittling down the pool to 12 jurors and 6 alternates.
www.wsj.com
Pootlian is still a SC Senator. Strong rumors out there that he isn't running for re-election in 2024. The 2023 Legislative session is in full swing. Reckon his constituents are just not going to be represented while he is defending ol Alex.
They just suspend your license in SC. Not that I would know.....
The jurors are being seated now, with both sides able to strike jurors.
Exactly. I think that's 98% of us.
They're somebody to someone i guess, but nobody to the rest of us. Never heard of them in my entire life.
Seems impossible to get a fair trial at this point. Any chance nobody has heard of this or already has their mind made up.
He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.
That's not the legal standard. I have also followed this case closely but my mind certainly isn't made up -- at least beyond a reasonable doubt -- because I haven't heard or seen the evidence yet.
I agree. Although, I think there's often pressure on Jurors to "see it". Reasonable doubt is very definitive, yet lots of people vote guilty because of "peer pressure" to do so.
I've heard several instances where the jury can't come to an agreement, and they keep going back to "convince the final member" essentially. Well, is that by definition "not guilty"? I'm sorry, but unless you can absolutely 100% prove it without a doubt, I could never live with myself voting someone guilty. I don't need another day to think about it.
I fear locking up an innocent person far more than letting a guilty one walk.
How in the hell can you live in Hampton for 4 years and not know who they are?? Were you a hermit?? ;-) There are only, what 5000 people in the whole town (including Varnville)??
As it stands, I grew up with all of the folks associated with this affair; the whole thing is very sad..
I don't think so. Sequestration in the world of smartphones and social media is pointless. It's not like the old days when the only news about a case was during the 6:00 and 11:00 news -- and a newspaper that was delivered the next day.
That's kind of my point about a fair trial. Times have changed. 99% of all media we see has an agenda. There's absolutely no chance that a juror member doesn't "think he's guilty" to some degree of something. Too much of this situation has been painted already. Perception is he's guilty.
"Maybe he didn't kill them, but he's guilty of something".
Gojng back to convince the final member of the jury to change their opinion is not the definition of “not guilty”. 12 people with their own each individual life experience can and will look at evidence differently. The piece or evidence that gives one reasonable doubt might make another feel that the party is guilty. Thats the great thing about a jury
As for your second statement of 100%, you are now admitting that you can not be a fair and impartial juror. Reasonable doubt doesn't have a particular percentage, but 100% means beyond all doubt and that is not the standard.
As far as your last statement, i agree with you on that. For full disclosure i am a prosecutor.
As for your second statement of 100%, you are now admitting that you can not be a fair and impartial juror. Reasonable doubt doesn't have a particular percentage, but 100% means beyond all doubt and that is not the standard.
As far as your last statement, i agree with you on that. For full disclosure i am a prosecutor.
Forgive my ignorance, but if I have heard it all and it's time to make a verdict, I don't need another day for the 11 others to try and convince me. If I'm not confident they did it, I wouldn't need more time. It seems like the "extra time" is to really pressure them into seeing it, no?
Regarding the second statement. So, you could vote someone guilty of a crime if you weren't 100% sure or beyond all doubt that they weren't? Regardless of that standard, that's kind of my point. Yeah, I would be an extremely difficult juror because if you can't prove without a doubt it happened, why do you need a juror who would vote guilty "because there's a possibility, they may have done it"? My perception as a US Citizen is you need to prove it. Not prove there's a possibility they could have.
Again, forgive my ignorance, that just doesn't seem right. No wonder there are so many innocent people locked up. Seems weird any Judge would allow someone to have so much power over another's life, because that particular juror is easy to work with and "won't make you prove 100%". If im a bad juror because you need to make it 100% clear one way or the other, then that's kinda of sad, no?
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Interior decorators and Carpenters are hard at work. The defense counsel can't see 5 jurors directly (not in direct line of sight the way the courtroom is situated).
They have 1.5 hours to fix it.
Call in the interior decorators!
They have 1.5 hours to fix it.
Call in the interior decorators!
A jury was selected this morning in about a half hour was the group was narrowed to 80. The jury is made up of 4 males, 8 females, 10 of whom are white and 2 who are African American. Opening arguments will start at 3pm.
@WCBD
@WCBD
I noticed that too. The answer is pretty simple I think. Humans are imperfect.
What your talking about is called an Allen charge where the judge requests that the jurys keep deliberating. Sometimes it is a waste of time. Sometimes, jurors just need more time to work through all of the evidence and that goes both ways both innocent and guilty. Ive seen cases where 11-1 guilty becomes 12-0 not guilty
The legal standard is beyond a reasonable doubt not beyond all doubt. In fact, i suspect that it this case gets you will hear in the closing jury instructions that the judge will say something to the effect that very few things in the world can be proven beyond all doubt. So to answer your question, i have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt not all doubt as the law dictates. Based on your statement, you would be unqualified to serve on a jury.
Where are you getting there are so many innocent people locked up? Are there innocent found guilty. Yes. But i dont know how to quantify that
I think it was Buster. He finds out Paul killed his boyfriend and his mom has covered the shit up for years. Kills them both, pins it perfectly on dad.
You are assuming they get to keep their phones. I bet they can't.
Per this, 3 pm today opening statements. Livestream link should be here.
www.foxcarolina.com
Alex Murdaugh gets 2 life sentences for murders of wife, son
The jury in the murder trial of Alex Murdaugh reached a guilty verdict after 3 hours of deliberation.
Like recruit commitment videos. Always starting 20-30 mins late hahaPer this, 3 pm today opening statements. Livestream link should be here.
Alex Murdaugh gets 2 life sentences for murders of wife, son
The jury in the murder trial of Alex Murdaugh reached a guilty verdict after 3 hours of deliberation.
this defendant is a loser. If Wes can’t stop him we need to fire him. I hope this new prosecutor will use the middle of the courtroom. What in hell was that question ? All of us at home knew that was coming before it happened.
