the charges for financial shit could be federal couldn't they? It will be completely separate from the murder trial correct?
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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the charges for financial shit could be federal couldn't they? It will be completely separate from the murder trial correct?
What was the motive?
whats the motive? Finances? Why not just file bankruptcy? Sell equity in other busine?
The charges from the state grand jury will be brought separately, but I’m not aware of anything thus far that would be removed to Federal courts. That’s a question for the lawyers on the board.
I think Murdaugh is never going to step out of a SC prison. I hope the rest of the Hampton/Allendale/Bamberg gang goes down with him.
you are looking for a logical/reasonable motive from a man who is desperate to try to save his reputation.
Exactly why I said to this point. I had to re read my post to make sure I didn't leave that out.
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What if its a national championship game out in California and you have trevor lawrence, tee higgins, Christian wilkins and 100 other studs that want to massacre the opponent from tuacaloosa?
I mean, thats the defense. If you assert poor finances as a motive, you’ve gotta show how he would benefit from the murders or his son and wife.
He’s guilty af, but im afraid hes gonna get off.
Broken alibi is all they have right now. We all know why he changed clothes. Its up to the prosecutor to show exactly what happened based on factual evidence and extrapolated by circumstantial evidence.
That first part is really really weak.
If I wasn’t allowed to take notes in a case like this I would really need the prosecution to periodically sum up their evidence and theory of how it happened. Taking notes helps me not zone out during long stretches of boring discussion.
If I write it, I remember it...
Judges should not go against what you (at least us way back when) were taught from early years through college. Take good notes.
Tom Cruise in "A Few Good Men" notwithstanding, the prosecution can't periodically sum things up. They have their opening statement and closing argument to talk to the jury -- other than that, they can only present evidence (testimony and evidence) to the jury.
Now I do think that the prosecution could have done a better job using some exhibits to illustrate things to the jury along the way (such as the timeline of the Suburbans movements), but you have to believe that they will, at some point, tie everything together.
As I said earlier, in my jurisdiction we not only let our jurors take notes, we provide them with pens and legal pads. I don't know why some judges don't let jurors take notes, but lots of judges are very stuck in their ways and will cling to how things worked when they first entered the profession.
I have heard it explained that no notes is because they don’t want a juror bringing in notes that they took that could be incorrect or the jurors opinion and not factual. I think some judges allow notes but the juror cannot bring in to the deliberations. The jury can always ask for transcripts of any testimony.
It’s not as simple as filing bankruptcy because he would go to jail, quite possibly for a long time, if the financial crimes were uncovered, which was basically unavoidable if the boat crash lawsuit went forward or the law firm started digging into their books.
his son's trial was likely going to bring down a lot of people. This is my thoughts on motive
1. Son was about to go to prison and in the process bring down the Hampton circle that had taken advantage of people for a long long time. So spare his son prison and spare others going down with him. He was such a narcissist and thought he had so much power he could make it all disappear and they would never suspect he did it. Thought same thing that many on here have said about being a husband and father...how could he be the one
2. Wife is about to divorce him and get everything. She likely knows a lot of what he has done and through getting Paul prepared for the trial likely learned more and Paul likely learned about it all as well. She had likely made it known she was not going to be civil through all of this. Hope more on the potential divorce comes out. That could be a big feather for the prosecution. With her gone, he could clean up his financial mess at least for a little while.
Then pair all that with the timeline, lies, luring his wife to the property, and connect all the dots...motive is there between finances, potential divorce, Paul's trial, and exposure or the entire ring of corruption...
I do not think you need multiple things for motive. It only takes one thing and to me there is quite a few and in group text with a lawyer who is on here, he agrees
The other shooter took everything with him and disappeared.
There’s one in Estill that I knew someone who went there for financial crimes. It was definitely “white collar-ish” from what I heard.
It also seems like he screwed over a lot of people. Are we to believe that nobody would want to get back at him?
It's certainly a perfect crime to do and get away with. I mean, literally everyone would be shocked if it weren't Alex who did it. It's not out of the question that he didn't do it. Nobody is even looking for someone else and hasn't from day one when they announced there was no threat to the community.
If he did do it, he went from saying "come here bubba" in the most normal sounding tone to violently killing half of his family within seconds of that and only having minutes to clean it up and absolutely have zero evidence it was him.
He's either the killer who thought it was best to kill his wife and son and somehow, he would get away with not paying for his financial crimes as a result of them being killed and he wouldn't serve any jail time at all or someone else did it and will never be caught.
Two people wanting to get back at Alex or Paul could certainly keep a secret if they so choose. And if they did, we're seeing firsthand how they will get away with it.
I have no clue but can see both instances. Closing arguments will be interesting.
I agree but......I can understand that the judge doesn't want the jury to go to the deliberation room and "try" the case again amongst themselves. It's what the lawyer argue that matters. Not how someone on the jury argues to convince others.
So, financial turmoil and jail time is going to happen no matter what?
How would that fold into a murder based on financial turmoil then? If thats the position and he has nothing to gain from murdering his family, whyd he do it?
Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm not familiar at all with trial proceedings, didn't realize they couldn't provide their narrative throughout the presentation of evidence. It just seems like in this trial they're just introducing a ton of evidence but not really following up or giving clear timelines. Then again we're not in closing arguments so maybe that's when they'll do that. I agree that I think they could've done a much better job of presenting the SUV time data. Right now it's just a bunch of numbers and if the jury can't take any notes, I doubt they'll remember that timeline unless the prosecution goes over it again during closing arguments.
I think the upcoming boat crash lawsuit is the real kicker. It sounds like while he would've had some reprecussions for stealing money from the law firm, I get the sense that they would've let him resign quietly after trying to get some of the money back, if possible. Based on past history it doesn't seem like they'd send a Murdaugh to prison even if he had stolen money. Just my two cents.
We have a hunting lease that borders part of Tyger River Correctional, it's pretty white collar. Peering through the binos it's a life of softball,basketball, shooting pool and cigarette smoking.
I need to start a ponzi scheme so I can get that gig.
That's been my thought. If he was going to jail anyways and he knew that, why gruesomely murder half of your family in the process?
He's going to jail for a long time for the financial crimes. He stole nearly $10M from people. There's a lot of motive for someone to ruin his life. I don't see what he gained for killing his family at all, much less in that manner.
Maybe he just preferred to be in Jail with only Buster to come see him.
Exactly. The whole suicide thing by cousin eddie shooting him in the head is gonna be used as a defense pillar at some point imo.
The defense will say Its clear that he would kill him self to give his family insurance money before murdering him imo.
At the time of the murder he wasn’t facing any criminal charges or criminal investigation.
He was facing major financial issues due to the boat crash lawsuit and the one money issue regarding the settlement in one case (with Chris Wilson(?)).
All of the criminal charges arose due to the cascade of events after the murders.
Most do after a period of time
They have already stated this one would have paid out. He was just too dumb to read the fine print and know that.
I understand that. Im assuming, he knew the financial stuff was coming to a head. It's likely that he knew he was going down for them. Im just not sure what he gained for brutally murdering his son and wife.
While it wasn't official that he was being investigated, several conversations surely led him to believe they were on to him. Most of the testimonies given indicate that they had begun questioning the funds prior to the murders. Again, I'm just assuming he knew this. I find it hard to believe he was blindsided and panicked and just killed his family in desperation but managed to do it in nearly the most perfect way and planned it all out, which would also indicate he knew in advance if he planned it.
Maybe not, though. Maybe he thought I'm going down anyway I might as well kill everyone in my family.
Lured them there. Documented as being at kennels 3 mins before murder.
Left scene and called Maggie 3 times right after.
Returned with other clothes on. Asked Mother’s housekeeper to lie on time he was there. Tried to lead his housekeeper into saying he was wearing a different shirt that day.
Said he wasn’t at the Kennels, but was taking a nap
These are all things we’ve established in court.
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And called the guy Paul talked to about dogs to see if he received the video Paul sent after the murders
As I stated in my previous post, the law firm was on to him for one check in one case. And his financial situation was about to be exposed because of the boat lawsuit.
But that’s it.
There were no pending criminal charges. No criminal investigations. No grand jury investigations. No inkling from anyone of any criminal misconduct except for the one issue with Chris Wilson — which, if that was all that was exposed, would have been a professional responsibility and civil matter.
Saw a guy interviewed who said he served on a big trial and was taking notes. Judge called him into his quarters and told him to stop. Judge told him while you have you head down writing you are not listening or observing.
this makes alot of sense. IMO best thing the jurors can do is pay attention and then afterwards writ a synopsis the best they can each day
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Also he carried in some stuff wrapped in a blue tarp or raincoat and went straight upstairs/maybe attic.
She is cooking him....there is a reason defense does not want her testimony submitted and asked for a retrial. Of course they new this was coming as she testified without the jury present the other day.
This woman is credible and good, unlike Smith who apparently gonna say Alex admitted to him that he killed them
I totally get what you're saying...
"Im assuming, he had an idea they were on to him".. I dont know that nor do you. It's just my opinion. Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as a fact.
Because it wasn't official didn't mean he did have an idea or a hunch. Im making my assumption or opinion off of the fact that he knew everyone from judges to politicians. People like him are seldom in the dark.
Again, this is merely an opinion.
I think that you're onto something here. He knew all the players in that part of the state. Also, he knows how the system works, in detail. Knowing the actors and their SOP is a huge advantage.
