A lot of people dating back hundreds and thousands of years have killed in the name of God.
Active shooter in Florida school.
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Sadly so, and some kid is wanting to follow in his footsteps tomorrow!
Those people don't really have God in their life.
But they wasn't in the family of God and are now burning in hell for eternity, unless they had a chance to repent and turn to the Lord Jesus before their last breath.
I see you deleted your post about you couldn't kill a lot of people without guns. You mentioned a few injuries with knives. Was going to ask you if you forgot about the ISIS inspired lunatic who killed 8 in lower Manhattan back in November with the rental truck. No.... you don't stop evil. Never have. Never will.
You're wrong too. This is a mental health problem. Plain and simple. It's not about God or guns. America does a horrible job of treating mental illness.
I know you are never supposed to change and live in fear but damn, really thinking about taking my kids out of public school and start home schooling.
Not just shootings but crime and drugs overall. There has to be changes in schools securities, armed guards and metal detectors.
Time to start deterring these mental midgets who do this crap and let them know death chamber awaits them. They are not kids imo.
Not just shootings but crime and drugs overall. There has to be changes in schools securities, armed guards and metal detectors.
Time to start deterring these mental midgets who do this crap and let them know death chamber awaits them. They are not kids imo.
I didn’t delete shit. You may want to go take another look.
So he killed 8 people with a car. This kid at last count killed 17 with a gun. A man in Vegas killed 55 with a gun. A man killed 49 in a nightclub in Orlando with a gun.
You’re stupid take of they will find something is so asinine. You reference a guy who killed 8 with a car while trying to defend guns when a kid killed 17+ with one. Do you know how dumb that sounds? How many kids would have died today if he tried a car? Answer me that.
Do you have ANY idea how many murders have been committed in the world in the name of God?
Is a person who kills a doctor who offers abortion services a "God-fearing" person?
Amy I am not twisting your words. I am merely saying that if you think that the quickest and best solution is to convert everyone into God-fearing people, I think the problem will never be solved.
The churches in Europe are largely empty. Are students in those nations less safe than in America because there are fewer God fearing people in Europe? Is there any country on earth where students are in greater danger than here in the United States in 2018?
Seems like a heckuva lot easier to get guns than illegally drive a car????
Don’t negate your argument with stupidity like this.
Will you give up your truck that ISIS uses to slaughter people now?
Giving up guns is not the answer. Getting people like this out of our country and building that wall as quickly as possible is the answer.
Hey man, I love your passion here. I don’t agree with you but I respect your passion!
Maybe you should go review what someone did in Nice with a truck.
I agree we’re doing a bad job (apparently) with mental illness but I’m not so sure it’s as large a factor as we make it out to be. Mental illness has been around forever, but this stuff didn’t happen with anything approaching this frequency until recently. I think the explosion of social media and the 24/7 news cycle, plus the realism of video games and violence in movies/TV have a large role as well. That stuff just didn’t exist to this degree 20-30-40 years ago.
One car attack that was greater than the largest mass gun attack. How about you not use a small sample size and see what causes the most mass murder deaths. I’d venture to say one is well ahead of the others.
I'm telling you that no person who is saved and truly knows Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior is going to murder anyone.
The fact of the matter is, everyone has a personal meaning they ascribe to the Second Amendment. However, this has little bearing on how gun control and gun rights are legislated and adjudicated by the states and federal government.
The idea of the Second Amendment providing a right for personal gun ownership is only a very recent development in our constitutional jurisprudence. In DC v. Heller, SCOTUS decided 5-4 that there is a qualified right to personal gun ownership for the purposes of self defense. The relevant language, written by Scalia himself:
“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”
Therefore, SCOTUS did not grant an absolute right to own firearms. They purposefully left the door open for states to regulate the commercial sale of firearms. Everyone here can shout to the moon one way or the other, but it does not change the doctrine. As long as your home state has a majority of legislators that see the 2nd Amendment as an expansive right, you will not get the gun control you seek. As long as your home state has legislators that seek to introduce reasonable gun sale policies, you will get the gun control you seek. There is no absolute right to own a firearm, despite what you may think Heller stood for. So, if this is a tremendously important issue for you, vote for the single issue. The important thing that is getting lost is that a lot of people died today. Grief and sympathy.
The idea of the Second Amendment providing a right for personal gun ownership is only a very recent development in our constitutional jurisprudence. In DC v. Heller, SCOTUS decided 5-4 that there is a qualified right to personal gun ownership for the purposes of self defense. The relevant language, written by Scalia himself:
“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”
Therefore, SCOTUS did not grant an absolute right to own firearms. They purposefully left the door open for states to regulate the commercial sale of firearms. Everyone here can shout to the moon one way or the other, but it does not change the doctrine. As long as your home state has a majority of legislators that see the 2nd Amendment as an expansive right, you will not get the gun control you seek. As long as your home state has legislators that seek to introduce reasonable gun sale policies, you will get the gun control you seek. There is no absolute right to own a firearm, despite what you may think Heller stood for. So, if this is a tremendously important issue for you, vote for the single issue. The important thing that is getting lost is that a lot of people died today. Grief and sympathy.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone as I feel that everyone wants this to stop, but driving a car into a school seems a little harder than buying a gun at Walmart and taking a little target practice at kids inside a gun free zone.
Sounds like you're saying the 8 killed with the rental truck aren't as important as the victims wiped out by gunfire. And I know that's not what you're saying but see how words get twisted and misinterpreted?
Again, you don't stop evil.
Dude. I’m sorry. But what you’re saying is just plain dumb and ignorant.
Do you know how many people are killed by bombs in the world? Just step outside of your liberal bubble and use your brain.
That’s wrong. Anyone could drive a truck into a group of kids getting out of school and kill a lot of people.
Think people. Use your brain!
How many people did the Bomb Tim McVeigh used in Oklahoma City? Hmmm
While I agree with you, people need to realize no amount of Gun regulations will stop this foolishness, none!
What will control it is gives these juveniles an option and that is if you commit a crime as awful as this your choice is either a)Lethal Injecrion or B) Gas Chamber.
Its not that hard.
Every gun used in France's mass shootings in 2015 were illegal.... didn't stop them
130 people dead
It is illegal to murder people in the USA and France too
130 people dead
It is illegal to murder people in the USA and France too
The funny thing is I have never once ever voted for a liberal. Not even this past election.
The solution is save millions you would spend trying to round up all of the guns and (fail), use those millions on school security. It's sad that school has to be at the level of a maximum security prison, but if that's what it takes to protect our kids do it. I'm for it, but asking everybody to turn in their guns will never work
Nice dodge of the question. Dude you’re an idiot. The potential to kill massively more exist with bombs that can be made by any teenager or wackjob.
I don’t believe the solution is to throw our arms in the air and wait for the next shooting. Nothing was done to correct instant background checks after Texas or bump stocks after Las Vegas, despite consensus agreement to make changes. Something needs to be done. Something can be done, despite the partisan political divide that seems to exist on every issue.
For now, just hug your kids tonight. Every day is a gift.
For now, just hug your kids tonight. Every day is a gift.
The bombing killed 168 people. How many bombings have we seen after that? How many have they killed?
Same questions for guns.
In America we have a mental health problem and a gun problem. To do nothing on either count is not a solution. I mean they couldn't even pass a law that stated if you are on the terrorist watch list you can't purchase a gun. Makes no sense at all. If tougher gun laws could save 1, 50, 100, 500, 1000 lives a year it would be worth it. Time for our leaders to start leading and stop worrying about lining their pockets ... geez I'm dreaming now.
Thoughts and prayers to all the victims, their families, and all those kids and adults that saw what happened and will have to live with those images the rest of their lives.
Thoughts and prayers to all the victims, their families, and all those kids and adults that saw what happened and will have to live with those images the rest of their lives.
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I disagree the 2nd Ammendment only provides a right for personal ownership being a “recent development.” I believe that it was only recently affirmed by the SCOTUS as a personal right is more accurate.
There is no way on earth the founders did not intend it to be an individual right. I give you two reasons:
1. We were a frontier nation still, even after the Revolution, surrounded by enemies: the French, British, Spanish, and Indians. America would not be possible without the ability of frontier settlers possessing the means to defend, and provide for, themselves.
Also, don’t underestimate the importance and the need to defend against slave revolt.
2. The founders themselves were relatively young, several living into the 1820s. Despite two rebellions (Shays and Whiskey) against the government and 30 years of the 2nd Ammendment in application, never once did they go back and say “hey that’s not what we meant.”
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