As of yesterday there were 15,226 people in the US hospitilized

[Cloud 9]

I can honestly say I don't know anymore. Too much misinformation on both sides which leads to confusion.

But a little inside information on events...

Peachtree Road Race (50,000 runners) in Atlanta was postponed until Thanksgiving. They were going to move it to Labor Day and was told there was a 1% of having any major events before Oct 1st so they went with Thanksgiving.

On top of that they decided to not even open their Registration back up until Sept. So they still aren't the most optimistic for that date.

So if we do get Football back in August it will be without fans.

 

[PawsFan_]

Because some don't want the truth. It's all about money. Why do hospital want you to have the virus because of the money they receive. That's why even if the virus don't kill you and you have it at anytime they still put the virus as cause of death. Unbelievable that people can't see what's going on.

Sorry. Just not true.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

Hospitals are losing tons of money right now. Lots of layoffs and salary cuts.

 

[bizlat]

1. You can't social distance indefinitely.

2. The original models predicted 2 million deaths in the US, with social distancing...we are at 60,000.

3. We are the most unhealthy nation in the world. Over 90% of those dying have obesity, hypertension, diabetes or some other condition.

A Harvard study of Italian deaths showed only 2% had no 'morbidity ' factors. If the death rate from the disease is .5% then that would mean you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than die of the disease if you have no risk factors. If the death rate is 1%, the odds would be the same as being struck by lightning, obviously.

And that is just for people who actually get infected.

 

[PawsFan_]

This is not true....most have cancelled all non essential surgeries and that is a lot. They are not performing MRIs and CT scans. They are not seeing most patients outside of Covid patients. Most Dr offices are doing telemed visits and their caseload is 1/4 to 1/3 of normal. There are medical staff and providers that have been furloughed or laid off. They are doing all of this out of extreme caution to minimize the risks to other patients....not to make money.

From personal experience I can tell you cancer patients have priority over COVID patients.

I've gotten a CT in the last 2 weeks and had surgery on Monday.

Hospitals are empty though. Talking with the staff, there's lots of reduced hours and salary reductions going on.

 

[cugrad93]

This is not true....most have cancelled all non essential surgeries and that is a lot. They are not performing MRIs and CT scans. They are not seeing most patients outside of Covid patients. Most Dr offices are doing telemed visits and their caseload is 1/4 to 1/3 of normal. There are medical staff and providers that have been furloughed or laid off. They are doing all of this out of extreme caution to minimize the risks to other patients....not to make money.

This. My wife works for Novant health. They are losing $100M a month each month that they have cancelled for non essential surgeries. I do believe she said they are starting to bring those back in this month

 

[Ron Munson]

A Harvard study of Italian deaths showed only 2% had no 'morbidity ' factors. If the death rate from the disease is .5% then that would mean you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than die of the disease if you have no risk factors. If the death rate is 1%, the odds would be the same as being struck by lightning, obviously.

And that is just for people who actually get infected.

People aren't interested in facts though. They won't to keep the lockdown going indefinitely and destroy the economy and create fear.

 

[tiger-chuck]

Yes. Lets shut down the economy. Unemploy 30+million people, force people to stay in their houses and wear mask until at least next summer if a vaccine comes out, over a virus that only negatively affects high risk people.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. I agree 100%

People still can't comprehend that the point of quarantine and social distancing is not to prevent people from getting the virus. Its to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed at the same time...which isn't happening...anywhere.

 

[bizlat]

It also cam out a couple days ago


People aren't interested in facts though. They won't to keep the lockdown going indefinitely and destroy the economy and create fear.

The horrific/ funny thing is the fast food industry has been going wide open through all of this.

 

[SpartanTiger120]

Sorry. Just not true.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

Hospitals are losing tons of money right now. Lots of layoffs and salary cuts.

Don't even try. Rush Limbaugh has been pushing this narrative for two or more weeks now, so those who are bought in are in. It's just as false as the narrative that deaths are being over counted.

Everyone watch this and then ask yourself why this is being removed from Social Media sites...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NkiM9fo1Ba0h/

It's being removed because it's full of misinformation and has been widely discredited. These are Urgent Care clinic docs way outside of their lane.

 

[flotiger]

Because some don't want the truth. It's all about money. Why do hospital want you to have the virus because of the money they receive. That's why even if the virus don't kill you and you have it at anytime they still put the virus as cause of death. Unbelievable that people can't see what's going on.

What's unbelievable is that you believe this as truth and fact.

 

[tigerworx]

It appears the CDC numbers are in conflict with other reports

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Did you mean to say ".....other agenda"?

 

[steele-tiger]

Health Care was the biggest drain on GDP in the 1st Quarter.

Losing tons on money each day this drags on. Layoffs, pay cuts and furloughs. Hospital in-town just cut pay and required 4 week rolling furloughs. Atrium is the only system to not cut that I aware of around NC/SC, but still lots of medical professionals bonus will be hit hard.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/he...-other-highlights-from-the-report-51588195277

 

[tigerworx]

It also cam out a couple days ago


People aren't interested in facts though. They won't to keep the lockdown going indefinitely and destroy the economy and create fear.

who are they?

The prizes are Control, Power and Money.

Anyone know if the 'little guy' ever took advantage of 'big money' or 'big government' in such a way?

America is standing by, watching loud mouths destroy our Country.
For what? See above
By whom? There are many choices. Many correct choices

We, the People, need to check our ourselves. Are we really sheep?

This is so disgusting to watch take place.

 

[4toTampa]

Can you imagine what world war 2 veterans would think today if they were alive? All the shit that they fought for being destroyed by a bunch of commie libs and minions are following suit. They had the courage to ride those Higgins boats knowing that when those gates dropped, they probably were going to get shot. But, they didn’t flinch because they knew our freedom was at risk. Fast forward to today and We just curl up and let media scare the hell out of us. Bunch of candy asses.

Elderly or vulnerable, yes stay safe and isolate. The rest, let’s get off our asses and go. This country wasn’t built to be ruined by media manipulation and political divisiveness.

 

[tigerworx]

Can you imagine what world war 2 veterans would think today if they were alive? All the shit that they fought for being destroyed by a bunch of commie libs and minions are following suit. They had the courage to ride those Higgins boats knowing that when those gates dropped, they probably were going to get shot. But, they didn’t flinch because they knew our freedom was at risk. Fast forward to today and We just curl up and let media scare the hell out of us. Bunch of candy asses.

Elderly or vulnerable, yes stay safe and isolate. The rest, let’s get off our asses and go. This country wasn’t built to be ruined by media manipulation and political divisiveness.

This /\/\/\/\/\/\

Where's Lee Greenwood when you need him?

 

[jonalexand1]

The number of patients in Emory ICU 3 weeks ago averaged mid to upper 80s, last week upper 60s, beginning of this week 59 and yesterday 61.

Those are the numbers based on a time period when the state was largely shut down. With things opening back up, where do you expect those numbers to be in two or three weeks? Obviously they'll be higher, but to what extent, we really don't know.

 

[CU Alumnus]

No solution better than herd immunity. We are delaying progress unfortunately. Elderly and vulnerable stay isolated. Healthy get back to normal around people and build immunity if you’re exposed.

Also, ventilators have proven worse for these patients than not having ventilator. Need oxygen but not forced oxygen/ventilation.

In full disclosure, we don't know if herd immunity will even work.

This. If you are old or sick, stay home. Once you go on a ventilator you're dead anyway

I think the first part of this is correct - that the focus should be on the old, sick, high-risk patients. Everyone else make their own choices. At LEAST give people a chance at saving their businesses and keeping working.

Yes. Lets shut down the economy. Unemploy 30+million people, force people to stay in their houses and wear mask until at least next summer if a vaccine comes out, over a virus that only negatively affects high risk people.

People still can't comprehend that the point of quarantine and social distancing is not to prevent people from getting the virus. Its to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed at the same time...which isn't happening...anywhere.

As a supporting point - the Navy just pulled the USNS Comfort out of NY Harbor because it was no longer needed. Of course part of the issue is that the morons in charge sent COVID-19 patients onto the ship......

Why aren’t hospitals overwhelmed? Because people are socially distancing themselves. At least through April. Still, the US has more deaths than any other nation. Last time I checked, we were not the largest nation in the world.

This only holds if you honestly believe the numbers that China has released - and nobody does. India is a bit confusing - they should be plum eat up.

Not to mention there are questions about US reporting - over estimating the number of COVID-19 deaths.

I will also add that masks are common in Asia as a daily thing. Poor air quality and their face-warming characteristics are part of the reason. So if they work (CDC says no, surgeon general says yes, or maybe I have that backwards) they have a leg up.

After the Seneca tornado I went and cleaned up for 2 days. No one wearing masks, no one social distancing. Strangers helping those in need...hugging, shaking hands, sharing tools, providing food, etc etc

I looked this morning and Oconee county has 24 reported cases

First - thanks for the help. Where were you working?

Second - I was concerned about an outbreak also. But I think a big help was that the work was done OUTSIDE where there are a shvtload of UV rays.

This bug is an issue and has to be taken seriously, but I think at some point we're gonna have to accept the risk and start opening things back up. Some people won't want us to do it for years. The economy can't sustain that, and the economy is the engine that actually lets us fight this thing.

 

[SEHTiger]

Yes. Lets shut down the economy. Unemploy 30+million people, force people to stay in their houses and wear mask until at least next summer if a vaccine comes out, over a virus that only negatively affects high risk people.

People still can't comprehend that the point of quarantine and social distancing is not to prevent people from getting the virus. Its to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed at the same time...which isn't happening...anywhere.

Bingo, we have a winner!

 

[CU Alumnus]

From personal experience I can tell you cancer patients have priority over COVID patients.

I've gotten a CT in the last 2 weeks and had surgery on Monday.

Hospitals are empty though. Talking with the staff, there's lots of reduced hours and salary reductions going on.

Gonna infer from this that you are battling some sort of cancer.

Kick it's ass.

 

[jonalexand1]

A Harvard study of Italian deaths showed only 2% had no 'morbidity ' factors. If the death rate from the disease is .5% then that would mean you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than die of the disease if you have no risk factors. If the death rate is 1%, the odds would be the same as being struck by lightning, obviously.

And that is just for people who actually get infected.

What % of American adults have underlying conditions / morbidity factors? I'd say at least 50% of the country is either: old, obese, immunocompromised, pregnant, diabetic, has hypertension, or has heart or lung disease. I think that's part of the issue with the dialogue...people are accurately saying "no big deal, this thing really doesn't impact you if you're totally healthy and have no underlying conditions..." not mentioning that a huge part of our population doesn't fit in that category. I'm not saying I'm opposed to re-opening the economy / states in a smart, phased way (monitoring hot spots, using testing and tracing, etc) so healthy people can get back to work / back into the chain of commerce, etc..., but I am saying many people don't view the big picture all that clearly.

 

[Fanofthehill]

There are also 875,696 active cases in the United States. That number is still climbing. There are only 155,737 total recovered cases. That ratio is NOT good. It essentially means that we are still at least 30 days away from actual deaths in a best case scenario.
Then stay at home my friend
It’s not over yet and I do agree that we have to get the Economy back up and going, absolutely, but let’s not ignore that there are still tons of deaths coming, unfortunately.

That’s without any resurgence. We are only talking about the first wave, largely under Quarantine.

Require masks from everyone, limit large gatherings, get the Economy started back. It’s going to suck, but I think we’re going to have to do it.

 

[jimbob1019]

Your takes on this pandemic are about the most ignorant on the board. Go back to your fashion posts and playing with your cats.

You don’t like his takes because they are...accurate??
He didn’t say anything that was untrue...but then again, there are some here that don’t care about the truth...

 

[vatiger1]

People aren't interested in facts though. They won't to keep the lockdown going indefinitely and destroy the economy and create fear.

I still maintain, if this Pandemic would have happened in 2021 instead of Election year - we would already be back open or most likely not shut down at all.

Alot of truth in your post @Ron Munson.

 

[jimbob1019]

Nearly 80% of the deaths from Covid are from people over the age of 65...
I’m not trying to sound cold & indifferent here, but doesn’t all diseases, illnesses, & viruses affect elderly people the most??
80% people....80%.
Let’s get back to normal.

 

[Cloud 9]

Nearly 80% of the deaths from Covid are from people over the age of 65...
I’m not trying to sound cold & indifferent here, but doesn’t all diseases, illnesses, & viruses affect elderly people the most??
80% people....80%.
Let’s get back to normal.

I completely understand your point and we do need to get back to work asap but do you understand that the 80% that is healthy and goes back to work and get's the virus will infect the other 20% right?

 

[Ron Munson]

I still maintain, if this Pandemic would have happened in 2021 instead of Election year - we would already be back open or most likely not shut down at all.

Alot of truth in your post @Ron Munson.

Absolutely. It's not entirely driven by politics, but the majority is.

 

[Ron Munson]

I completely understand your point and we do need to get back to work asap but do you understand that the 80% that is healthy and goes back to work and get's the virus will infect the other 20% right?

High risk people should take precautions.

And nothing is going to prevent them from getting the virus, other than a vaccine.

 

[vatiger1]

Absolutely. It's not entirely driven by politics, but the majority is.

Agree - the reopening will be is what I meant.

 

[steele-tiger]

The CDC Death Count lags weeks

What % of American adults have underlying conditions / morbidity factors? I'd say at least 50% of the country is either: old, obese, immunocompromised, pregnant, diabetic, has hypertension, or has heart or lung disease. I think that's part of the issue with the dialogue...people are accurately saying "no big deal, this thing really doesn't impact you if you're totally healthy and have no underlying conditions..." not mentioning that a huge part of our population doesn't fit in that category. I'm not saying I'm opposed to re-opening the economy / states in a smart, phased way (monitoring hot spots, using testing and tracing, etc) so healthy people can get back to work / back into the chain of commerce, etc..., but I am saying many people don't view the big picture all that clearly.

It is over 50% not even including old as a preexisting condition, but obviously the older you are the more likely you are to have a preexisting condition.

I think they should break it down into healthy, preexisting condition and major preexisting condition...95% of the people dying do not have what most consider a major preexisting condition.

And if you are suppose to protect everybody with a preexisting condition of any kind that is over half the entire country.

 

[undertheradar]

A Harvard study of Italian deaths showed only% had no 'morbidity ' factors. If the death rate from the disease is .5% then that would mean you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than die of the disease if you have no risk factors. If the death rate is 1%, the odds would be the same as being struck by lightning, obviously.

And that is just for people who actually get infected.

I must be missing something here... We have a 1/100 chance of being struck by lightning in our lives? That's news to me. Google tells me otherwise from a few different sources. Estimates I read report that about 25 people per year die from lightning strikes in the US. Not even remotely relatable to this situation. If you want to talk percentages, the amount of people who die from a lightning strike in the US each year is 0.04% of the amount of people who have died in the US from COVID-19 in the past month and a half.

Roughly 1/2000 people have died from COVID-19 in Spain and Italy with numbers still climbing. About 1/800 people have died from COVID-19 in the state of New York. Those are not insignificant numbers regardless of what "percentage" of people who contract the virus die.

Despite all that, I agree that whether those amount of deaths warrant destroying an economy is a discussion worth having, but I don't understand trying to justify not doing anything about one cause of death based on the fact that people already die from other causes...

Also, just because you have a comorbidity does not mean you're on death's doorstep so it's not like those lives are worthless.

 

[tigersurg]

Because some don't want the truth. It's all about money. Why do hospital want you to have the virus because of the money they receive. That's why even if the virus don't kill you and you have it at anytime they still put the virus as cause of death. Unbelievable that people can't see what's going on.

this is ridiculous. Hospitals make the majority of their money off of insured people having surgical procedures. Hospitals are going broke from this

 

[jimbob1019]

I completely understand your point and we do need to get back to work asap but do you understand that the 80% that is healthy and goes back to work and get's the virus will infect the other 20% right?

Same is true for the flu but we carry on as if the flu doesn’t kill people daily...
But when do we say it’s safe then? The only way to be certain is to have zero cases across the board...but we can’t wait that long. People say it will be safe when we have a vaccine...but even then, it will take a while to know if the vaccine is effective.
What I do know is that we need to get back to normal as soon as possible but there are some out there that would like this thing to drag out til November 4th, 2020 for other reasons.

 

[DI Tiger]

I completely understand your point and we do need to get back to work asap but do you understand that the 80% that is healthy and goes back to work and get's the virus will infect the other 20% right?

your alternative is what?

 

[saber8689]

My opinion as a physician:

The shutdown and social distancing was necessary and critical. If it had been enacted back in February, far less people would have died and it would have lasted a shorter amount of time.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect shutdowns to last until a vaccine or even until new therapeutics. Hospitals simply need to be prepared for these patients. They need to have protocols for using PPE, protocols for line placement, intubations, shifts, etc. California has done this brilliantly and the majority of their ventilated patients actually survive.

We need to move from government mandated shut down to common sense practices from people. The populated cities should continue wearing masks, staying away from large groups, etc. If an outbreak occurs, it should be dealt with swiftly with rapid tests and isolation of contacts.

I think this could happen in a matter of 1 to 3 weeks, but the US population is getting ancy and wants to jump the gun.

The rapid test is still not wide spread, and there is still not a reliable antibody test.

 

[bizlat]

What % of American adults have underlying conditions / morbidity factors? I'd say at least 50% of the country is either: old, obese, immunocompromised, pregnant, diabetic, has hypertension, or has heart or lung disease. I think that's part of the issue with the dialogue...people are accurately saying "no big deal, this thing really doesn't impact you if you're totally healthy and have no underlying conditions..." not mentioning that a huge part of our population doesn't fit in that category. I'm not saying I'm opposed to re-opening the economy / states in a smart, phased way (monitoring hot spots, using testing and tracing, etc) so healthy people can get back to work / back into the chain of commerce, etc..., but I am saying many people don't view the big picture all that clearly.

Yes, yes, of course. But, this has to be a massive part of how we attack the problem, correct?

What if the reason California is having fewer problems is not becaue the measures they have taken are more Draconian, but maybe because they by reputation( I don't know the numbers) are more health conscious in general.

Close the parks, open the McDonald's? What kind of sense does that make?

The approach taken so far has been to maintain order/ keep a handle on the situation. Fine. Humans don't do well w/ chaos. But now it's time to take a more informed, nuanced approach.

 

[JRBB]

1. You can't social distance indefinitely.

2. The original models predicted 2 million deaths in the US, with social distancing...we are at 60,000.

3. We are the most unhealthy nation in the world. Over 90% of those dying have obesity, hypertension, diabetes or some other condition.

If Covid 19 gets you, you were already dying of something else.

 

[kell9941]

After the Seneca tornado I went and cleaned up for 2 days. No one wearing masks, no one social distancing. Strangers helping those in need...hugging, shaking hands, sharing tools, providing food, etc etc

I looked this morning and Oconee county has 24 reported cases

With all due respect, the number of “reported” cases don’t mean squat.

 

[nmerritt11]

With all due respect, the number of “reported” cases don’t mean squat.

estimated cases is in the 140s I believe. And I agree it doesn’t mean squat because if it’s a lot more the death rate would lower meaning we could get back to normal sooner

 

[JamesIslandTiger]

That's BS... Show me where its been discredited.

 

[bizlat]

I must be missing something here... We have a 1/100 chance of being struck by lightning in our lives? That's news to me. Google tells me otherwise from a few different sources. Estimates I read report that about 25 people per year die from lightning strikes in the US. Not even remotely relatable to this situation. If you want to talk percentages, the amount of people who die from a lightning strike in the US each year is 0.04% of the amount of people who have died in the US from COVID-19 in the past month and a half.

Roughly 1/2000 people have died from COVID-19 in Spain and Italy with numbers still climbing. About 1/800 people have died from COVID-19 in the state of New York. Those are not insignificant numbers regardless of what "percentage" of people who contract the virus die.

Despite all that, I agree that whether those amount of deaths warrant destroying an economy is a discussion worth having, but I don't understand trying to justify not doing anything about one cause of death based on the fact that people already die from other causes...

Also, just because you have a comorbidity does not mean you're on death's doorstep so it's not like those lives are worthless.

I think my math is pretty solid. I think you got some of the details confused i.e. Struck vs. killed, per year vs. lifetime, 2% of 1% death rate, 2% of .5% death rate.

And no, no, no I'm not saying people w/ risk factors don't matter. Hell, like probably 75% of Americans & 75% of my family, I could stand to lose 20 pounds. I'm saying let's take a smart/ informed approach to what we're doing here.