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Bold of you to assume anti-vaxxers can count that high.
*****Dabo, on team vaccinations
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Posts like these just need to be zapped. This is quite possibly the dumbest most non-sensical thing I’ve ever read on this board and that’s saying a lot
There is a difference in hospitalizations of vaccinated people who contract corona and vacinated people that contract corona. The rate of contraction for vacianated people is high. The rate of hospitalizations is not.
The fact that there are “sides” to this is really bizarre
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Yeah, but people on the internet apparently know all of the 4% who aren’t vaccinated.
It has been reported in England that 40% of all COVID related hospitalizations are from fully vaccinated individuals - FACT.
60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
The fact that this got 20 likes is really amazing, and not in a good way. Another post that was almost as silly got even more likes than Swinney’s statement.
This is likely pulled from the ridiculous lawsuit filed by the crazy fringe group yesterday to stop Covid vaccinations in the US.
Where does it say 40% are fully vaccinated?It has been reported in England that 40% of all COVID related hospitalizations are from fully vaccinated individuals - FACT.
60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.www.reuters.com
And that’s part of the point. The vaccine is preventing people from being hospitalized and/or dying with a high success rate.
The rate of vaccinated people getting COVID isn’t high, either.
Wow…it doesn’t say that at all in the article. You completely twisted the words. Intentional or not, it’s sad.It has been reported in England that 40% of all COVID related hospitalizations are from fully vaccinated individuals - FACT.
60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
I don't care either way but I have a hard time believing this. My wife is a ICU nurse and alot of our friends are in the medical field and alot have not gotten it. Don't take this as my opinion not to, but just that I can state that I k ow alot(moreso than have) that in fact have not
It doesn't say 40% are vaccinated. You must take the 60% hospitalized for COVID without vaccine and subtract it from 100% to get 40% fully vaccinated individuals in the hospital. Yes - 40% of Englands hospitalizations are from vaccinated individuals, facts you will not find here in the US media.
More of the lower level staff in the medical field have not gotten vaccinated. That will probably be over soon when vaccines are fully FDA approved and hospitals require it for their staff. Some people might find it telling that the physicians are almost all vaccinated, while the lower level staff are less likely to be vaccinated.
Hmm, interesting. I have the exact opposite experience. Know many surgeons, ER docs, nurses and others in the medical field and only 1 hasn’t been vaccinated. That’s 1 out of probably 40 or more medical professionals.
60% unvaccinated does not equate to 40% fully vaccinated. That is manipulating the statement and isn’t accurate. Fun fact: there are individuals that received 1 dose of the vaccine and never got around to getting the 2nd dose. Those individuals are not considered fully vaccinated. So, why not just reiterate the actual statement as opposed to trying to spin it?
The point is that not all of that 40% are fully vaccinated. Do you think that maybe the reason US media aren’t spending much time on hospitalization in the UK is because the UK is not in the US? In the US, only 3% of people hospitalized are fully vaccinated. Since you don’t seem to know about that, I wonder why you aren’t finding those facts in the US media but were easily able to find the “facts” about the UK.
who said cure? Sincerely hope you go get some real info on what it is and what it’s supposed to be. It’s not a cure it’s not a vaccine it’s specifically designed to minimize the effects of the virus. There are no ‘vaccines’ for viruses. The scientific studies say 95% efficacy, which means your body can figure it out 95% better after the shot. 95% less effects from the virus. That means your body will make less virus and spread it to less people. Also means less people will get a mutated form (variant) of the virus. The biggest problem with this whole thing is everyone is working with opposing ‘facts’.
I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, but you’re not correct about vaccines and viruses, or how COVID vaccines work.
Is there hard data to back that up? It’s not like we are contact tracing anymore. No one knows how many vaccinated people have been infected and with that possible spreading it. Seems like lately with these Covid sports testings is revealing that more vaccinated people than expected are positive. All I am saying is that we don’t know to what extent vaccinated people are spreading this virus because for the most part they are asymptotic and go untested. It is very possible that vaccinated are also helping to spread this virus at numbers we are not aware of yet.
Maybe you should read what I said again and the articles you quoted. The first article addresses it but provides no data to back it up or to what extent and I quoteDon't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down and beat you with experience. There's no point arguing with people for whom no amount of evidence will ever be sufficient. They'll just crawl back to Facebook for more disinformation. For anyone curious, here is a paper concerning the vaccination effort in Israel: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(21)00947-8
Here is another paper concerning the effect of mRNA vaccines on viral load:
Initial report of decreased SARS-CoV-2 viral load after inoculation with the BNT162b2 vaccine - Nature Medicine
Breakthrough infections of SARS-CoV-2 occurring 12 or more days after the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine were associated with lower viral loads than those found in unvaccinated individuals, suggesting that the vaccine might reduce infectiousness.www.nature.com
There are numerous more along similar lines.
“ vaccines might reduce viral load in breakthrough infection and thereby further suppress onward transmission. “ Does the” might “ part sound conclusive to you in any way? The second paper you linked in the summary and methods clearly states they used national data from hospitalizations and confirmed positive testing data. Neither address the elephant in the room. At what rate asymptotic vaccinated people are spreading Covid. How about you link one of the numerous papers you claim is out there that actually addresses the topic on vaccinated asymptomatic spread with a decent size data set. Thanks.
And you know this how? We have no idea how many asymptomatic vaccinated people there are. They are the least likely to get tested and provide data to back up that claim. As we have seen with all these recent mandatory testing of sports athletes the numbers have been more than expected amongst those who were vaccinated.
Because that's not how it works. You can still get covid but symptoms are mild. I'm not a fan of the Vax(I got it) for kids. Especially girls where they are finding high concentrations of spike protein in ovaries.
Can you link me to the CDC website where this information is located? Thanks.
Higher than one would think it should be given you have had a vaccination.
69.3% of the people in the UK have had one dose of the vaccine, so the population size is more than 2X the size of the unvaccinated population. Extrapolating the numbers:
UK Population = 67MM
# in UK Hospitals Today from COVID = 4567 (1827 vaccinated, 2740 unvaccinated assuming 40/60 split)
69.3% = 46.4MM w/ 1+ dose of vaccination and 20.6MM unvaccinated
Chance of Being Hospitalized TODAY in the UK from COVID w/ 1+ dose of vaccine = .004% (1827/46,400,000)
Change of Being Hospitalized TODAY in the UK from COVID and unvaccinated = .013% (27740/20,600,000)
So, if you're unvaccinated - you're 3X more likely to end up hospitalized from COVID in the UK today.
UK Hospitalizations
UK Vaccinations
I haven’t read through the posts so sorry if this was posted already, but for those guys that have not been vaccinated, the steps they have to go through just to come to the facility is almost unbearable and wouldn’t be worth it to me. A large majority of the players have been vaccinated, so imo, the chances of us having an NC State type incident are pretty slim.
Cris,
All due respect, but discussing the society benefits of a vaccinated population is not political. Persistent low vaccine rates increase the likelihood that mutations to the virus that are resistant to current vaccines can take hold. The tools are there for us as a society to increase our protection from a virus that has killed over 600,000 of our fellow Americans.
We are a wealthy and scientifically advanced society that should take full advantage of the benefits that our scientists and doctors have given us. Unfortunately, there is a very vocal undercurrent of lies, misinformation and willful ignorance about the virus and the vaccine that go against the truth and our scientific understanding.
Propagating lies and misinformation isn't political... it's ignorant. Pointing out lies and misinformation isn't political... it's necessary.
I don’t understand why we are still testing. A very large majority of the people associated with these football programs have been vaccinated. If you have symptoms, then go get tested. If you have it, then you can quarantine a few days. It needs to be treated no differently than the flu when it comes to athletics. We are still in overkill mode about this freaking illness. It’s to the point of craziness.
So now we aren’t believing statistics because you know a couple docs that haven’t been vaccinated?
Right? All the SC medical doctors I know got it. So my anecdote counteracts their anecdote I guess.
You are absolutely correct taco. Spreading misinformation like you just did is ignorant. To try to say that the unvaccinated are solely responsible for the creation of variants is a stretch and to say otherwise is spreading misinformation without several pieces of data to back up your claim. We don’t know how much protection natural immunity gives you in prevention nor spread of the virus. We don’t know how many fully vaccinated asymptomatic carriers of the coronovirus have spread or are currently spreading Covid. What we do know is the number of vaccinated people contracting Covid is not zero. We also know that people vaccinated are far less likely to test. To say vaccinated people are not spreading Covid even if it’s to a lesser degree than the unvaccinated is just a fantasy.
