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Dominion Lawsuit against FoxNews

I agree that Schiff is a party hack for sure and what he says should ALWAYS be taken with pounds of salt.

Since this is a thread about the Fox/Dominion law suit, I'd mention that this is apples and oranges as far as the courts are concerned. For example, nothing FoxNew's people said about the election being stolen or not and whether they believed it or not, is actionable in court.

Only the parts where they talked about the Dominion Voting machines being part of that is. The libel law is very narrow on purpose and Dominion has to show tangible damages to their reputation and bottom line AND that FoxNews deliberately hurt their business. Morality has nothing to do with it.

IMHO, it shouldn't be difficult to show that Dominion was hurt by this on the bottom line. There's plenty of states that have stopped using their machines. The problem with this has ALWAYS been to show that the people who reported weren't acting in good faith (and were mistaken). That's why those text messages are so important as they pretty clearly show that the people in question didn't believe it and said it anyway. Again, the reason (ratings... whatever) doesn't matter... only the fact that they didn't believe and said it anyway and damaged Dominion.

I suspect that FoxNews will go "back to the well" in court and stipulate that the folks in question are not reporters, but are political pundits and that no reasonable person would believe them. It might work and it might not. It certainly did for Tucker in that earlier case.
And... fox News will not suffer at all from having to state AGAIN in court that they don't report the news and that no reasonable person should view their content that way.
 
And... fox News will not suffer at all from having to state AGAIN in court that they don't report the news and that no reasonable person should view their content that way.

You are in line with my thinking.

Clearly news is now about selling information for money

Let ‘s make this real easy.

Wrestling is entertainment for money

News is entertainment for money

OK we have made it clear
 
Discovery for this should be....interesting.

Especially when Dominion produces data showing error data for their machines (all machines make errors - intentional or otherwise).
 
Discovery for this should be....interesting.

Especially when Dominion produces data showing error data for their machines (all machines make errors - intentional or otherwise).
The argument won't be about errors, because we also have hand counts to confirm that the machine counts are correct. It's about whether or not Dominion software switched votes from Trump to Biden, and since we know that's bullshit, did FoxNews intentionally lie about it.
 
The argument won't be about errors, because we also have hand counts to confirm that the machine counts are correct. It's about whether or not Dominion software switched votes from Trump to Biden, and since we know that's bullshit, did FoxNews intentionally lie about it.

Huge mountain to climb for Dominion to win anything big

In the past I have observed defamation suits I would have bet my life on only to see the public media win out

It is almost impossible to prove anything against a public media company and that would include the liberal leaning ones
 
The argument won't be about errors, because we also have hand counts to confirm that the machine counts are correct. It's about whether or not Dominion software switched votes from Trump to Biden, and since we know that's bullshit, did FoxNews intentionally lie about it.
It could still be subject to discovery.

I'm not saying the Dominion machines aren't reliable. But when evidence comes out that prototype 1 had an error rate of 0.3%, we both know what will happen......
 
It could still be subject to discovery.

I'm not saying the Dominion machines aren't reliable. But when evidence comes out that prototype 1 had an error rate of 0.3%, we both know what will happen......

And having worked with testing on manufactured products I can tell you that pencil whipping and fudging to meet deadlines and budgets happens every day

If is was reported to be .3 % it might have been 3 % which would have thrown the election

I trust zero pencil whipped papers as I want to see the machines operate

What I would suggest is Fox have access to say 100 random machines pulled out of state inventories and then run mock elections based on the machines condition when pulled from service.

If the machines fall within that .3 % then I buy the test. If not then the election was stolen by questionable mail out mail in voting practices
 
And having worked with testing on manufactured products I can tell you that pencil whipping and fudging to meet deadlines and budgets happens every day

If is was reported to be .3 % it might have been 3 % which would have thrown the election

I trust zero pencil whipped papers as I want to see the machines operate


What I would suggest is Fox have access to say 100 random machines pulled out of state inventories and then run mock elections based on the machines condition when pulled from service.

If the machines fall within that .3 % then I buy the test. If not then the election was stolen by questionable mail out mail in voting practices
What part of "hand counts corroborated the machine counts" don't you understand? They also have paper ballots - Get it??
 
What part of "hand counts corroborated the machine counts" don't you understand? They also have paper ballots - Get it??
That's not actually authenticated due to chain of security and then you have to flesh out the fake ballots.
 
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What part of "hand counts corroborated the machine counts" don't you understand? They also have paper ballots - Get it??

You are living in a world where you think everyone just always does the right thing

Wake up fella The only way I would trust the claims of the manufacturer would be like I sai
Get some machines from the field

Have an independent test group set up a mock election

Then vote using the machines

Let the results fall out where they may

I have seen perfect test results coming from Fortune 50 and down companies that was a total pack of lies as to something

Trust but verify and man far greater than you and I said that Ronald Reagan

You insistence I trust that everything you write is gospel has zero credibility with me as I am 100 per cent in on verifying and I would expect you to ask for the same

Let’s encourage independent tests and see how it goes down

Or are you afraid to see how it really goes down
 
You are living in a world where you think everyone just always does the right thing

Wake up fella The only way I would trust the claims of the manufacturer would be like I sai
Get some machines from the field

Have an independent test group set up a mock election

Then vote using the machines

Let the results fall out where they may

I have seen perfect test results coming from Fortune 50 and down companies that was a total pack of lies as to something

Trust but verify and man far greater than you and I said that Ronald Reagan

You insistence I trust that everything you write is gospel has zero credibility with me as I am 100 per cent in on verifying and I would expect you to ask for the same

Let’s encourage independent tests and see how it goes down

Or are you afraid to see how it really goes down
People like you are a danger to this country SMFH. Don't you think this has ALREADY been thoroughly investigated? Do you really think they would take this to trial if their machines affected the election outcome?

Have you voted in person on a machine? If so, you know it prints out a ballot that you have to verify before it gets tabulated. This isn't hard.

“We have seen no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised in any race in the country,” said CISA Director Jen Easterly on Wednesday afternoon."

 
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EXCLUSIVE: BPro-Knowink Election Software Used Throughout US Is Connected to Internet, Not Certified and Is Able to Backdate Election Records (Hawaii)​

By Joe Hoft Mar. 27, 2023 5:00 pm
This report was developed by election experts in New Mexico and Hawaii with special recognition to Attorney David Clements and his wife Erin.
BPro-Knowink election software is being implemented across the country and yet it is connected to the Internet, it’s not certified, likely not audited, and now we know it can backdate records as well.
 
People like you are a danger to this country SMFH. Don't you think this has ALREADY been thoroughly investigated? Do you really think they would take this to trial if their machines affected the election outcome?

Have you voted in person on a machine? If so, you know it prints out a ballot that you have to verify before it gets tabulated. This isn't hard.

“We have seen no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised in any race in the country,” said CISA Director Jen Easterly on Wednesday afternoon."


I admire your ability to cut and paste while passionately defend the source as truth

However I in all cases ask to vet what information I have placed in front of me

clearly most information is faulty based on people who are pushing the studies
 
You are
I admire your ability to cut and paste while passionately defend the source as truth

However I in all cases ask to vet what information I have placed in front of me

clearly most information is faulty based on people who are pushing the studies
You are deaf. You don't trust any election authority, CISA, the FBI, the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Homeland Security, the Trump supporting Cyber Ninjas or the National Election Security Lab? You STILL need more information, more vetting? You've lost your Trump drunk mind.

ABOUT ELECTION 2020​

The U.S. government has confirmed through multiple reports that no vote flipping, voting machine manipulation, or foreign government interference took place in the 2020 elections.
  • Election authorities and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (“CISA”) stated there “is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”
  • The Director of National Intelligence reported in March 2021 there are "no indications that any foreign actor attempted to alter any technical aspect of the voting process."
  • The FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security confirmed no evidence exists that foreign governments or other actors interfered with the elections, and claims about foreign governments manipulating or owning election infrastructure used in the 2020 elections are “not credible.” The U.S. Army debunked false claims about an overseas election server raid.
A MITRE National Election Security Lab data analysis involving Dominion systems in eight key battleground states found no “evidence of compromise or fraud.”
  • FACT CHECK – Antrim County, Michigan
    Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan accurately counted votes. The Michigan Secretary of State confirmed that a results reporting issue was due to user error. The Michigan County Clerks Association supported this finding. A Michigan Senate review of the 2020 election found no fraud, and went further by recommending investigation of those making money from false claims of fraud in the Antrim County election. A lawsuit alleging voter fraud in Antrim County based on a widely-debunked “forensic audit report” has been dismissed.
  • FACT CHECK – Maricopa County, Arizona
    Dominion machines in Maricopa County, Arizona accurately counted votes. Maricopa County's hand count audit showed a 100% match with the counts from Dominion machines. A second round of equipment audits by federally accredited, independent Voting System Test Labs showed the equipment passed all tests. Maricopa County Board Chair Clint Hickman issued a statement affirming, “no evidence of fraud or misconduct” regarding the 2020 election. The Arizona Secretary of State published a report on issues with the Senate’s review of Maricopa County’s 2020 election results. Visit Maricopa County’s rumor control and fact-checking page for more information.
  • FACT CHECK – Mike Lindell’s "Absolute Interference" Video
    Click here for fact-checking information on false claims about cyberattacks involving Dominion machines. Third-party fact checkers have also dismissed a state-by-state analysis alleging “excess votes.” Visit Legal Updates for more.

ABOUT THE COMPANY​

  • Dominion is a nonpartisan, U.S. company that provides voting systems to “red” and “blue” jurisdictions in 28 states.
  • Dominion has no ownership ties to any national U.S. political party leader – or to any foreign governments, including living or deceased foreign leaders.
  • Dominion is a private company that provides election technology to government customers. All votes are cast and counted in the U.S. as part of the election process, which is administered and overseen by election officials.
  • Dominion and Smartmatic are separate companies. Dominion does not use or license Smartmatic software.

ABOUT OUR VOTING EQUIPMENT​

Thousands of 2020 election audits and recounts have validated the accuracy and reliability of results and confirmed the integrity of Dominion’s technology.
  • As part of the federal Voting System Manufacturer Testing & Certification program, Dominion submits its voting systems for certification by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (“EAC”).
  • Dominion voluntarily provides access to its voting machine equipment and information using independent Voting System Test Labs accredited by the U.S. EAC, as well as to state testing and certification authorities.
  • U.S. voting systems are designed and certified by the federal government to be closed systems that do not rely on Internet connectivity for use. State and local requirements also serve to maintain voting machine air gaps for security.
  • All Dominion systems are capable of producing paper ballots or paper records.
  • Laws and processes exist to ensure that only trained and authorized personnel have physical access to voting systems.
  • Fractional or "weighted" voting does not exist in any Dominion system.
  • Dominion voting systems comply with all requirements for system updates and election records retention.
  • Before every election, local officials typically run voting equipment through public Logic & Accuracy testing to demonstrate it is properly working.
  • Dominion machines can read hand-marked paper ballots marked with writing instruments approved by election authorities, including Sharpie pens.
MORE: Arizona | Colorado | Georgia | Michigan | Pennsylvania | Wisconsin

MORE FACT CHECKING RESOURCES​

  • Find Your State Election Office HERE.
  • Fact Checking Services
AP Fact Check | AFP Fact Check | LeadStories | FactCheck.org | Politifact
  • U.S. Department of Homeland Security CISA
Rumor Control Page
  • Misinformation in the 2020 Election
The Long Fuse: Misinformation and the 2020 Election (Stanford University)

ABOUT OUR LEGAL CLAIMS​

Dominion is taking action to set the record straight and defend our company, our customers, and our democracy.
 
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So one of your accurate reliable sources which has operated outside the law fraudulently for years against conservatives starting with the Obama regime that attacked law and order used the IRS and DOJ against for example the Tea Party

Cool your jets on trying to bully me into agreeing with you
 
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So one of your accurate reliable sources which has operated outside the law fraudulently for years against conservatives starting with the Obama regime that attacked law and order used the IRS and DOJ against for example the Tea Party

Cool your jets on trying to bully me into agreeing with you
Oh, I'm not under the illusion that you'll agree with the truth, because you're off your rocker. I'm just here to blow up your misinformation for other readers you might be confusing.

But again, for the record - this lawsuit is not about whether Dominion machines affected the election results because that's already been settled. This is a defamation suit against FoxNews for intentionally lying about Dominion in order to appease their conspiratorial viewers - like you.
 

EXCLUSIVE: BPro’s TotalVote Used in Multiple States in the US, Allows the Installation of “Plug-Ins” that Can Be Used to Manipulate Election Data​

By Joe Hoft Mar. 28, 2023 8:00 am

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This report was developed by election experts in New Mexico and Hawaii with special recognition to Attorney David Clements and his wife Erin.
Election Experts in Hawaii discovered that the TotalVote election system used in the state can backdate election records. This isn’t all that it can do.
Yesterday TGP reported on the TotalVote election system in Hawaii which is connected to the Internet, is not certified, and can backdate election records.
There is much more to this story. It is much deeper than proving Hawaii’s voter rolls have backdated election entries. We learned from experts in Hawaii that all the suspicious entries were added with a single computer.
The UUID format used in Hawaii is created by a software component called a “plug-in.” Plug-ins are software libraries that can be loaded and run by an existing computer program and they can be customized. Common examples of plug-ins are ad blockers or promo code finders that can be used to customize a web browser.
The fact that BPro software allows plug-ins to operate within their software system is a massive security vulnerability.
A plug-in could be added at any time after the initial software installation and the customer, and even the software developer, would never know.
Plug-ins are reloaded every time a piece of software is restarted.
The concern for election infrastructure using BPro/KnowINK products is this:
Plug-ins can easily be swapped out as needed to rig an election or manipulate the way a voter roll was being consolidated. Plug-ins are vulnerable in any election where the computer software plug-in is running, and the system is internet-connected.

An opportunity for bad actors to rig or modify the election infrastructure recently occurred in New Mexico’s elections. Below is an email that reminded county clerks and KnowINK that there was a planned system outage of their version of BPro’s TotalVote called SERVIS.
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This email was from New Mexico SOS, Maggie Toulouse Oliver, to county clerks and vendors about a planned outage on election day.
The shocking thing about this planned outage was that it took place one hour before the close of polls on election day. There is no honest explanation why the Secretary of State would plan a system outage of the software that is supporting the entire election during a time when it is most important that the election run smoothly.
This planned outage would make sense, however, if the Secretary of State knew that a plug-in was running on the system, and it needed to be updated to clean up any loose ends in a pre-planned rig of that election. Poll workers have testified to similar outages occurring in other states on election day.
New Mexico’s audit proved impossible manipulation of their voter rolls – from registration spikes occurring in a uniform fashion across all 33 counties. The groundbreaking revelation of “plug-ins” provides a possible explanation for uniformity in New Mexico’s disastrous voter rolls.
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Nearly-identical, daily registration patterns typical of all counties in NM
In Hawaii, election experts who discovered this issue with backdated registrations alerted Hawaii’s election officials. Instead of taking these concerns seriously and investigating who or what was manipulating Hawaii’s rolls – election officials simply swapped out all UUIDs that could be decoded for a different version that does not allow the time the UUID was created to be determined. At best, this is egregious database practice and destroyed chain of custody for 25% of Hawaii’s rolls. At worst, they know the rolls are being manipulated and are trying to cover it up.
Americans are fed up with concerns about our election systems being glossed over and covered up by their elected representatives.
Proof that BPro is allowing a plug-in to backdate registration entries in Hawaii, the fact that uncertified software is being used for election management across the country, and unexplained outages during critical times should be enough to shut down the use of any all-inclusive, centralized, internet-connected software.
Voters in all states using software like this must contact their elected officials immediately and let them know we are not going to put up with them playing fast and loose with the security of our elections anymore.
 
Oh, I'm not under the illusion that you'll agree with the truth, because you're off your rocker. I'm just here to blow up your misinformation for other readers you might be confusing.

But again, for the record - this lawsuit is not about whether Dominion machines affected the election results because that's already been settled. This is a defamation suit against FoxNews for intentionally lying about Dominion in order to appease their conspiratorial viewers - like you.


Let me explain my position again in simple details

First it is a very super high bar to get defamation against a news organization

It does happen but don’t bet the farm on it

Next the majority of the firehose of articles you post on here are not vetted or challenged and you want me to accept everything you post as words of Truth from God

Sorry I don’t play that way

I suggest a good manner for Fox to protect their side of this story is have a selection of Dominion machines from the areas that are said to be problematic put in a room with complete transparency with monitors and then hold a mock election

Then look at the results

That will be a good judge of the machine accuracy

As to saying Fox people lie I think that a conversation in which people are discussing ideas is more about just talking

If you want to see lying please turn on the other networks as their reporting has all of them with super long noses
 
Let me explain my position again in simple details

First it is a very super high bar to get defamation against a news organization

It does happen but don’t bet the farm on it

Next the majority of the firehose of articles you post on here are not vetted or challenged and you want me to accept everything you post as words of Truth from God

Sorry I don’t play that way

I suggest a good manner for Fox to protect their side of this story is have a selection of Dominion machines from the areas that are said to be problematic put in a room with complete transparency with monitors and then hold a mock election

Then look at the results

That will be a good judge of the machine accuracy

As to saying Fox people lie I think that a conversation in which people are discussing ideas is more about just talking

If you want to see lying please turn on the other networks as their reporting has all of them with super long noses
All these other sources require more vetting, other than FoxNews of course - you know, your favorite source that argues in court they shouldn't be taken seriously, whose main anchor openly states that he lies and texts his colleagues that the Dominion claims are bs. The other networks also don't get sued for billions of dollars but you still accept Fox's reporting as factual. You're lost
 
I would imagine it will be something similar to "fake news" or one of the other Trump greatest hits
Anything he can't dispute or rationalize is fake news lol. The trial starts in a few days and I can't wait to bombard him with the details as it goes along.
 
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Anything he can't dispute or rationalize is fake news lol. The trial starts in a few days and I can't wait to bombard him with the details as it goes along.
There isn't enough popcorn in the world to meet my needs for this trial.

I've never been more excited for one. Literally never.
 
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The Trump campaign, Rudy Giuliani and Sydney Powell admitting the Dominion machines weren't corrupted is nothing? Lolol
There is nothing that I have heard that takes anything related to mass election fraud off the table.
 
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Interesting story about what happens at the local level when the MAGA cult falls for the lies about Dominion voting machines. They will have to hire 1200 employees to hand count the ballots at a cost of $1.6 million and it will end up being more prone to error. Insanity...

 
This. Is. Going. To. Be. The. Greatest. Show. Of. All. Time.

I really do feel like a kid who can't wait for Christmas to arrive. Except it's going to be Christmas for weeks. Every day Fox and Murdoch are getting bitch-slapped, and the show hasn't even started yet.

I'm busting...Jerry! I'm busting.
 
Fox making a late push for a settlement. I hope Dominion doesn't cave, they've got Murdoch and Co. by the balls.

This 24 delay makes me a little nervous.
 
Fox making a late push for a settlement. I hope Dominion doesn't cave, they've got Murdoch and Co. by the balls.

This 24 delay makes me a little nervous.
I know one of the demands is that Fox make a full-throated apology on air, but I hope they don't let them off the hook for the amount asked for in the lawsuit.
 
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Dominion is going to puss out, just like these companies always do. And Fox will just continue pushing its destructive agenda. I don't know why I got my hopes up.
 
Dominion is going to puss out, just like these companies always do. And Fox will just continue pushing its destructive agenda. I don't know why I got my hopes up.

Of course they will.

Dominion is in this for the big payday, which is the same reason Fox News employees peddled the stolen election stories each night knowing they were bullshit.
 
Of course they will.

Dominion is in this for the big payday, which is the same reason Fox News employees peddled the stolen election stories each night knowing they were bullshit.
It's a shame too, they could've actually done this country a great service.
 
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