Actually scotch, I think if we run an true conservative we will win. I'm tired of putting a moderate up there and then try to out liberal the Democrats. That hasn't worked the last couple of elections.
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Am I the only one that hopes Trump wins the GOP nomination because it will prevent Clinton/Sanders from winning White House?? I mean if Trump doesnt win GOP hes still gonna run. Thus dividing the GOP vote and the Dems slide on in.
I would never suggest that it is fine to vote for Trump in the primary.
See, that is what I don't understand about Cruz supporters. You like that neither party like him. Question for you... How is he going to accomplish anything as President?
The man is not running to be King of America, where he gets to stick his thumb in the eye of republicans and democrats and mandate law. You may not realize this, but the President can't sign one single bill into law that the US Congress doesn't send to him. The President is powerless unless he can get Congress to work with him on his agenda. See Ronald Reagan for an example of how to be the exact opposite of Ted Cruz.
How is a man who is hated by virtually every Republican in the US Senate and certainly every Democrat going to do anything as President? That is a serious question. He will be powerless. Why would you vote for the one man who has absolutely ZERO chance of working with Congress to accomplish a single thing he is promising you he will pass? Its common sense people.
Apologies, that's certainly the way my post came across, but not my intentions. I guess my frustrations are with the masses whose support for the petulant child have him in the lead. I'll vote Cruz in the primary and I could support every other candidate in the general, but I would never vote for Trump. At some point character has to play a role.
Ronald Reagan wasn't well liked either at first. He just kept taking his case to the American people. I'm not sure if Cruz can do that, however, if getting things done means making deals with social ideology Democrats I would just assume they not do anything. Obamacare is a good example, I would have rather that they had done nothing.
Again I ask the question, why is that compromise always falls at the feet of republicans, namely conservatives? Why can't libs compromise on some things?
We've been electing people who compromise in order to get things done and look where we are. I see nothing wrong with my vote going to the person who's principles and values are closely aligned to mine knowing he will stand and fight for them.
Going along to get along has gotten the republican party no where.
I personally thing Trump supporters are just as ignorant as Cruz supporters. Tehre is no difference.
So if you don't like Obamacare, just so you know, Ted Cruz is the LEAST likely to repeal it because he is least likely to work with Congress to replace it with an alternative. Again, EVERYONE hates him, including republicans, for a reason.
Like you said, if you are OK with nothing changing, then Cruz is your man. He is as polarizing as Obama, if not more. He is the LEAST liked man in Washington, and it's not because he is making changes and getting things done. Its for all of the wrong reasons. Its because he represents everything that is wrong with Washington. He is an obstructionist. He plays dirty. He stabs His fellow republicans in the back. He is dangerous.
Well we're all welcome to our opinions. You obviously like Kasich, who is a moderate. Along the same lines as Romney and McCain. We know they dont win general elections. We've lived it. It's time to see if a true conservative can get it done. IMO of course.
Liked Rubio, Kasich, and Carson, and will be happy if either of these three wins the nomination. Heck, a Rubio- Kasich ticket and I would be ecstatic. That would be tough ticket for the Dems to beat.
Jeb makes me cringe, wish he wasn't running. Trump makes me cringe more, wish he wasn't running. Cruz makes my skin crawl, wish he wasn't running. I feel all the bickering and negative campaigning these three are bringing to the race is really damaging the party overall.
Jeb makes me cringe, wish he wasn't running. Trump makes me cringe more, wish he wasn't running. Cruz makes my skin crawl, wish he wasn't running. I feel all the bickering and negative campaigning these three are bringing to the race is really damaging the party overall.
Tim Scott knows both Cruz and Rubio and has worked with both of them for the past several years now, and his resounding endorsement of Rubio over Cruz speaks volumes to me. Tim is a guy whose judgment I would give great deference to in this regard
Do you really think he would spend several hundred million of his own money in a general election as an independent? No. He would not. He proved that in Iowa. He was too cheap to spend his money to build a ground game in Iowa. He only go as far as his celebrity status, Twitter, and the media publicity will carry him. He showed that in Iowa. Now, that may be enough to carry him to the nomination and the Republican war chest for the general, but if it isnt, he wont spend an equivalent amount of money to the republicans and democrats in the general out of his own pocket.
Forget compromising with the democrats. We are talking about a man in Cruz who can't even compromise with Republicans. Forget the democrats. The discussion will never even get that far with Cruz.
The problem is that we have heard all of this before. I am tired of it. Cruz is a conservative, as far as I'm concerned the only conservative. Flame away but I will be voting for Cruz this coming Saturday. The Romney moderate type candidates WILL NOT WIN. And if Hillary and especially Sanders wins this country is done!
Maybe the moderate John McCain was nominated 8 years too late and picked a bad running mate? Maybe Mitt Romney was a rich person from a religion people thought was weird and came across as out of touch with normal Americans? This notion a far right nominee will win the general is ridiculous. If the Repubs had a good moderate candidate they would win.
Cruz is nothing like Reagan. NOTHING. And while Cruz likes to suck on Reagan's legacy, he doesn't have the quality that Reagan had. It's amazing to me how warped and distorted Reagan has become to conservatives. It's part of the problem and we need to get past that. Cruz is an urchin and he is best left in the Senate.
Cruz can't play well enough with others and his defense rhetoric is very scary. I won't vote for Trump, but no one in the Republican race will help the current economy more than he. The fact that the Carrier to Mexico situation came up really resonated with me. I won't vote for him but the true things that scare me about where this country is currently and where it could be headed leads me to believe we could do worse than Trump, especially on economic issues. I really liked Rand Pauls views on economy but he didn't resonate.
Republicans compromise? Seriously? When was the last time that happened?
Liberals are always accused (and rightfully so) of being weak because they always want to compromise. True liberals have always been pissed at Obama for not being more hardline and using his executive powers more to ram things through Congress, especially when he had both House and Senate. He did nothing with it. Liberals always want to talk everything over--find some common ground.
The republicans haven't been a party of compromise since 1994. The base loves obstruction. Scalia's death is a perfect example. When Bush was appointing his justices Repubs whined about obstruction and not letting the President have his choice (rightfully so, every Pres. has been given that privilege from the Senate) but now can't wait even a day for Cruz and company to say a sitting pres. with 10 months left can't appoint a justice? Republicans have become fundamentally opposed to any form of compromise or middle ground (which I think is sad and maybe you feel like Repubs are the party of compromise just bc it happens so little now so when it does it gets blown up, idk).
Liberals are always accused (and rightfully so) of being weak because they always want to compromise. True liberals have always been pissed at Obama for not being more hardline and using his executive powers more to ram things through Congress, especially when he had both House and Senate. He did nothing with it. Liberals always want to talk everything over--find some common ground.
The republicans haven't been a party of compromise since 1994. The base loves obstruction. Scalia's death is a perfect example. When Bush was appointing his justices Repubs whined about obstruction and not letting the President have his choice (rightfully so, every Pres. has been given that privilege from the Senate) but now can't wait even a day for Cruz and company to say a sitting pres. with 10 months left can't appoint a justice? Republicans have become fundamentally opposed to any form of compromise or middle ground (which I think is sad and maybe you feel like Repubs are the party of compromise just bc it happens so little now so when it does it gets blown up, idk).
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT
A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out-of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT
An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT
Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT
Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT
A $500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT
No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT
Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT
Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT
"Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT
A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT
A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out-of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT
An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT
Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT
Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT
A $500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT
No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT
Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT
Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT
"Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT
A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
I find the rhetoric that Kasich is a moderate pretty amusing. He has strong principles. Abortions are all time low in Ohio because he led the way to de-fund planned parenthood.
Just bc someone isnt a dick, can work with others and doesn't use fear tactics doesn't mean they aren't a principled conservative.
the more i watch jeb, the more i wonder how in the hell was he a governor???????
I am not big into politics. I have had enough smoke blowing liars in my past lol. BUT I liked what Kasich had to say last night. I think that if I were running and won the nomination Kasich would be way in the front of the line as my running mate.
I don't see Trump losing. He's way ahead in polling. People respect someone who is confident and speaks their mind. He is the only candidate, Repub or Dem, that is not into all the PC bullshit. He's also not bought off, like everybody else. Trumps not cool, with having our country over run with illegals from all over Central American and Mexico. Can't really say that about any other candidate in the repub field. Of course the Dems are obviously for no borders. No borders= no country though. think Rubio and Cruz are OK. Not impressed with Jeb as a candidate. Don't think the guy from Ohio has the National appeal to win, but he could be a good VP. Especially with Ohio being a important state.
This is South Carolina. Strom Thurmond would have won a couple of times after he died if he had been on the ballot. We elected Mark Sanford twice, and then the morons in his district put him back in Congress.
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Cruz is the absolute worst candidate running regardless of party. This includes someone under FBI investigation and a reality tv clown.
He is worse than AIDS and cancer.
He is worse than AIDS and cancer.
Last night was the 2nd debate I've watched and it is the last party debate I will watch. It'd be like deciding who wins the football championship by seeing which team's cheerleaders have the coolest cheers. Just useless to try to form any opinion by watching that crap in my opinion.
No candidate on either side excites me about the future of the country. None seem to be leaders. They all act like the guy in your office that tries to brown-nose his way to a fluffy new title for his business card without getting a raise or anything else.
No candidate on either side excites me about the future of the country. None seem to be leaders. They all act like the guy in your office that tries to brown-nose his way to a fluffy new title for his business card without getting a raise or anything else.
Surely you jest. You don't think Obama and the Dem Congress rammed Obamam Care down the throats of the nation? Also, Executive powers have nothing to do with Congress, it by-passes the Separation of Powers and just goes around Congress. Basically, not much different than being King.
You are wrong. If Bernie Sanders is the nominee on the democrats side, a more moderate conservative republican will win going away if given the chance in a general election. And right now, Sanders has a great shot to be the nominee. If the choice on the democrats side is a self proclaimed socialist, the only two candidates Sanders stands a chance against are Trump and Cruz because they are just as polarizing and it will be a dog fight for he middle. That is a fact. The independents still make up over 40 percent of this country. In a general election, they still make up the majority. Given an extreme candidate on one side and a more moderate candidate on the other, the more moderate candidate stands an excellent chance, almost guaranteed shot, to win.
American independents nor liberals, see Hillary as an extreme leftist candidate. Only extreme right wing republicans do. If Cruz or Trump win, there are not enough of those hard core right wing republicans to win against her. The moderates republican/ independents like me will not turn out. Conversely, the hard left will turn for Hillary because they will be incentivised to not allow extremist hard liners like Trump or Cruz in. Hillary will win the moderates against those two. A more moderate candidate like Kasich or Rubio can hit her on the likeability factor, the trust factor, the entrenched factor. Cruz nor Trump can. They are equally hated by independents. They are equally not trusted. independents would move heavily to Clinton against those two.
You can say that Romney and McCain didnt win against Obama and so we shouldnt nominate another moderate conservative again. That is flawed logic because a more extreme candidate would have been beaten even worse. They would have lost even more of the independents, not more. Just because Romney and McCain lost it doesn't mean they didn't give republicans the best chance. I think they did. The bottom line is that the reason McCain lost was because the circumstances with the economic collapse were not going to lead to any Republican being elected, no matter who it was.
And history shows that short of an overwhelming amount of turmoil surrounding an incumbent president or party, the incumbent candidate for President always wins a second term. The only times in the last 100 years an incumbent didnt win was when there was an extreme catastrophe surrounding him and in most of those cases, the incumbent didnt even run. So, Romney was fighting against an incumbent who was not facing a collapse or turmoil and in those situations the incumbent is heavily favored. Again, no hard core conservative candidate was winning more of the independent vote than Romney. The loss would have just been more pronounced, not less. The only time in the last 100 years where an incumbent lost and that was not the case was with George H.W. Bush and that just happened to be the only time a third party independent candidate ran in a general and drew double digits in an election.
These extreme conservatives complaining that McCain and Romney didn't give the Republicans the best shot and the proof that a hard core conservative should have been selected and could have won is akin to saying the Carolina Panthers didnt give the NFC the best chance to win the Super Bowl because they lost. Its like saying since Carolina lost, the Cowboys or 49ers could have won and the Panthers didnt give the NFC the best shot.
People can complain about Romney all they want but none of these candidates would beat Obama either. Until the super storm hit the last election was headed toward a photo finish. It's really simple why democrats win demographics favor them and the electoral college favors them.
To me they act like a bunch of 4th graders on the playground going after each other, calling each other names, talking about their mommas & daddies, doing the "look at me" dances, and then sulking when they don't get their way.
However, it's kinda fun to watch Trump troll Bush. Bush is such a boring elitist that you can tell he's completely not use to anyone picking on him, or has the wit to get around it.
I must say I am a little disappointed but I have HOPE that the state of South Carolina will send Trump out on a victory tour to the next primary. Be strong South Carolina!!
I don't like Trump but he's absolutely right about the Iraq War being a colossal mistake. Republicans can't hear that enough.
If Cruz is the answer, we are all asking the wrong question.
