Hey moderator…please read Billy’s post about political comments…move your own posts to the off topic board
Thanks for this Billy.I know y’all have a lot of questions (I’ve received more than my fair share).
I have as many questions as I have answers, so it’s been a struggle.
I’ll try to answer as many as I can, as soon as possible.
Sorry for any delay. Going to be a process.
Just thinking that it would be more efficient in one thread.
I absolutely look forward to the truth and Billy Ds thoughts. I was pointing out that most of what is posted online isn’t that.
Hopefully, I do not come across as talking down to anyone. Just sharing throwing money at issue will not immediately fix issue.
Most of the things I have seen online. Mainly videos from cell phones at the event, tell a different story. What is mostly inaccurate is what you are watching on your TV!
Here’s the thing though….im not watching tv. Feels like this proves my point about people quick to jump to conclusions using unverified facts.
MULTIPLE shots !! It’s inconceivable
Might be too late but let me see if I can help keep it on track.
Cannot disagree with you. I hesitate to second guess the Sniper team. I have not been in those guys boots. I do know the military is spending lots of money to increase training including mixed and virtual reality to prepare soldiers. But until one is put in that situation, how someone will act is only conjecture...
The key part of this chain. I agree with him. I don’t think it was a hesitation or waiting to fire until the guy fired. I THINK he was probably sweeping/scoping his coverage sector like he is supposed to then came off the scope to try to locate the target/see the bigger picture. I don’t know for sure, but I think he probably received comms that there was a threat and he thought he could locate faster by coming off the scope. He located the guy and then went back on scope to target and execute. The timing of how that played out coupled with the timing of the guy firing looks a little suspect, but I strongly doubt it was nefarious/intentional.
What people on X were saying originally.
It’s their job ! Numerous civilians with cell phones saw him and knew what was happening. But our secret service agents just couldn’t figure out what that was on the roof ? That was Laurel and Hardy stuff.
I get the hesitation regarding pulling that trigger, but , my goodness get Trump off that stage .
Civilians saw him and thought they knew what was happening. They were correct in this instance. There is a reason in situations like these that cover guys are frequently in uniform or some kit to indicate LE affiliation (to avoid confusion), but it very easily could have (and probably should have) been plain clothes LE on that roof. Look at the 2 SS guys in the high cover positions on the roof. They were both plain clothes officers. The one that fired the kill shot had some visible kit (vest/plates) that indicated he was LE, but both were plain clothes outside of that. If you did have local LE in charge of security outside of perimeter, they may have thought it was SS initially. Not excusing it, as that is an operational planning/communication issue in and of itself. Simply saying that could have played a part in the issue.
Just jumping into the thread, responded to a comment, and when read your earlier note, tried to self delete. Hope it worked.
How about a little personal responsibility. Trump needs to do what he is being told in that situation.
Most handheld ballistic shields are going to be metal or composite and possibly have a viewport. Ballistic glass is incredibly heavy. Wouldn’t make an ideal handheld shield. The shield is supposed to be their bodies and the ballistic protection they’re wearing.
Perhaps. But it’s unthinkable to me that one of the highest levels of law enforcement doesn’t know who’s where. A local sheriff’s department would have known that much.
Why were his shoes off ?
Guessing they were slip on dress shoes and they came off in the melee.
I obviously agree on that point. But, it didn’t happen and there was a failure somewhere which allowed the situation to devolve into what it was. I’m simply offering thoughts on what could have happened at that point. I’m not and have never been SS, so I’m far from an expert on their protocols. My experience is primarily in surveillance and CS, tracking, and OP with a little in security, so far less qualified than @24TIGER to speak on this instance but not completely unqualified.
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I suspect they checked him for injuries. Didn't they rip off his tie also?
My first response.
