So are you ok with unannounced police inspections of homes to ensure that citizens that are presumed innocent under our laws are storing guns separately from your ammo to somehow prevent mass shootings...even though it really wouldn't prevent them?
OT: Mass shooting in El Paso
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So are you ok with unannounced police inspections of homes to ensure that citizens that are presumed innocent under our laws are storing guns separately from your ammo to somehow prevent mass shootings...even though it really wouldn't prevent them?
This is very true. We live in the era where haphazard tweets carry more weight than research and information. I will definitely concede that point.
I agree, which is why I am not for gun control. Gun safety is a different issue though in my mind. Should the govt enforce mandatory buy backs--nope. Change the constitution if you want that. But that doesn't mean you can't have universal background checks and certain restrictions.
We could debate how the right to bear arms was meant to be interpreted by the founders and what technology they understood at the time, but that is a different tangent.
I mean--if it saves the lives of children? Why wouldn't it be explored by the religious right? I actually have sympathy for the argument that you need it for intruders and such, however. Is there middle ground?
Deal! And then lets make it mandatory when you purchase a firearm!
I am for enhanced personal responsibility and accountability in gun safety measures. Yes.
I would never want unannounced police inspections in homes. Would I consider a credentialed nongovt actor every 5 years making a safety inspection? IDK. But it should be possible to have a conversation about it.
No one measure is going to stop everything, but that doesn't mean a society should do nothing.
Would you tell an evangelical that just because some women will have abortions that they should stop trying to prevent them? Or meth will always be available so you shouldn't stop it?
In my mind the answer is always how do we save as many lives as possible.
That’s because “thoughts and prayers” don’t seem to be working.
This was in Texas .... where was the good guy with a gun????
Since most of the posters suck .. this dude is a hero .
We already have enough gun control. FBI background checks are enough.
These shootings will continue until guns are banned. That's what they want.
I don’t know what to do about it, but it seems like if nobody under 35 years old had had a gun in the last five years most of our mass shootings would not have happened in this country during that time.
Probably just a curiosity is it can’t be acted on.
Probably just a curiosity is it can’t be acted on.
I took the bait...haha...
The actual answer for @92TigerME is where are all of these purported gun control measures if the left has been at it for all these years (or the past several years?? We didn't get any clarification from 92Tiger on what the actual operating theory is unfortunately...)?
McConnell isn't going to pass anything. Trump won't sign anything.
No need for a left wing conspiracy theory.
In TX for example:
-- NO state permit required to purchase
-- NO firearm registration
-- NO owner license required
-- NO assault weapon law
-- NO magazine capacity restriction
-- NO background check required for private sales
(Hmm...maybe this plays some small role in all of this...)
His description of his weapon of choice gives me more cause to believe he did this for gun control. False flag
Did you read his manifesto? The part where he describes his weapon of choice could have been written by (Insert Gun Control Advocate) here.
The problem here is that all of the measures listed above will be completely ineffective against a person like this who is highly motivated to commit an atrocity. None of the above work level kept automatic weapons out of this guy’s hands.
I mean--I'm all for more intense regulations (if that is what you are advocating for) but this is a good place to at least start...
I'm advocating for an incremental approach that is combined with increased govt and corporate investment in mental health services but if we want to do something more radical like Australia or NZ--I could be convinced.
Hell no. I’m for common sense gun control. I’m just pointing out to you that most of what you are calling for won’t stop somebody who is determined to get an automatic weapon. I’m not for any of the things you posted above. They are a waste of time and money and all they do is make the lives of the 99.9% of honest gun owners more difficult.
The degeneration of “family” has created a breed of DGAF kids, with zero foundation. Kids with real parents don’t turn out this way.
You're a damn loon.
He went to a border town to shoot Hispanics after declaring dislike for them. I'm all for differences of opinions but lunatic bull shite like this has noml place in public discou, much less this board. Take off the tinfoil and crawl back under your rock
Degeneration of family and the marginalization of Religion contribute and also the elimination of gender roles and the societal norms that govern "acceptable" behavior and acceptable conflict resolution methods. Throw in hovering parents and over-litigious society that short-circuit the conflict-resolution and/or mental resilience training that should happen during adolescence and youth... and combine that with our tradition of gun ownership and constitutional rights and you get what we have now.
Me? I was a fat kid who got picked on. Happened for years in grade school. Yeah, I had self esteem issues. However, I had the grounding of a traditional family and the benefit of stories around the dinner table from my Dad and backed up by tough love from my Mama.
I reached a breaking point... and did I take a gun to school? No. Instead, on that day I made up my mind to stand up for myself. And I did. With my fists. Took some shots, and gave better than I got. Loved it! Then I proceeded to have similar conversations with the other "cool kids" in my neighborhood.
I guess, my point is that for a "man" a fair fight with fists was acceptable, kicking was for girls, and guns??? They were for shooting rabbits, squirrels and pheasants... and could kill. Killing? Unless you were a soldier, that was a straight shot to Hell.. as told by the Monsignor who was very visible to me as I sat with my family in the first pew at Mass.. whom i knew I needed to pay attention to, lest I get taken out by my father for a minor "tune up" when he thought I was behaving without enough respect.
And, we didn't have video games that helped condition us to killing.
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As will the “it’s time we act to stop gun violence” tweets from politicians.
You're a fascist bigot.
You can't say you are for difference in opinions and then claim that my opinions should be censured. Practically everyone is calling this a false flag now.
Now back to your safe place
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No one with any credibility is calling this a 'False Flag' only those who traffic in and profit off of making everything into a left wing conspiracy theory.
Lets do this--lay out all the false flag info and we can go through it to evaluate its credibility. I'm game if you aren't just trolling...
Gave you a like for responding with an measured, and intelligent post. Thank you.
I agree with you on your points that we as a society should try to prevent unneeded death. However, your initial post reeked of emotional, illogical liberal talking points which is why I gave you pushback. Kudos to you for staying engaged and taking fire from me and others on this board.
If you don't support police inspections of homes, then the almost plea in your initial post for trigger locks and separation of guns and ammo makes zero sense... let alone not being the proximate cause in the vast majority of shootings (i.e. a minor whose parents forbade them from accessing guns/ammo in home but did so anyway and committed a mass shooting).
So what, "enhanced personal responsibility and accountability in gun safety measures," do you propose that would actually work, and not encroach on our constitutional rights?
You're not game for anything because you just said that you will not consider any views that you don't agree with. Check his twitter likes. He was a nevertrump.
Check out Jordan Sather
@Jordan_Sather_
Funny, that we now hear a bunch about "Mental Resillience" and "Resillience Training"... I guess that's what we used to call , " Wrestling" and "Football"... and that training started in grade school.
Nah...probably nothing here...
"Practically everyone is callingthis a false flag now."
Who? The voices in your head?
Who? The voices in your head?
I will absolutely consider opposing viewpoints.
I thought everyone was over QAnon as an actual thing. They are just making money on 8chan. We know Alex Jones is a fraud. Cerno knows things but has serious credibility issues. I'm reading this entire thing and there isn't any evidence--just yelling about it being a false flag. The only thing is this supposed twitter account of the shooter has some never trump stuff liked.
There is a woman who thought there were multiple shooters. The hero who just heard that there was more than one shooter (not that he saw multiple shooters or heard in on the site but probably from media reports--same as me).
And then this tweet:
El-Paso shooting is a false flag to attack #QAnon.
- “Official” story is 1 shooter, eyewitness reports claim multiple - Suspicious manifesto posted to 8chan (somehow already connected to shooter)
- Days after phony FBI memo on QAnon and “domestic terror”
These people are sick.
Is this really all the evidence?
This is absolutely nothing.
Where is the evidence that the manifesto is fake? That the shooter didn't drive that distance to El Paso? That the shooter was a part of antifa or anything govt related? It is possible that there were multiple shooters, but does that make this shooter and his video on Walmart security footage fake?
I hope we are in agreement that the people shot and killed today weren't 'crisis actors,' right?
I'll keep looking for this evidence but this group of youtube/twitter conspiracy folks never produce anything of substance time after time. Not with Sandy Hook or Pulse or any of the other 240 something instances.
So he's not on your approved list. Did you read his tweet caption of the shooter's twitter page? The shooter was a nevertrump based on his history of likes.
We’ve had 249 since Jan 1, so I’d wager it’s a pretty substantial amount. Illegal immigration is a problem, but these mass shootings are mainly committed by radicalized white supremacists.
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