OT: Mass shooting in El Paso

[92TigerME]

Cool, next time use that same level of empathy and nuance to not demonize an entire ideology because of the acts of some crazy asshole. Encourage others to do the same and speak out when someone calls all liberals, mexicans, gays or whatever, evil. Because you can appreciate demonizing all for the actions of a lone lunatic, is stupid and dangerous and only helps create division.

nice strawman argument you got going on there.

Are you talking about this?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...rampant-white-nationalism-across-the-country/

or this?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...trump-of-racism-for-attacking-squad-lunatics/

 

[clemben]

He stated in his manifesto that the AR-15 is a military weapon

Somewhat related

Connor Betts tweets right after 17 students were killed in Parkland Vote Blue and tweets to Senator Rob Porter "how much did you pay to look the other way"

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

Both shooters were registered Democrats.

These shootings seem to be politically motivated. Something very sinister is going on with the resist crowd.

I have read the manifesto--it is anti immigrant. The MyLife page was altered a bunch of times--there isn't any actual evidence that he was a registered dem that I have seen. If Betts was a gun loving leftist bully democrat it shows that no one is free from extremism on either side. All the more reason to make it harder for these people to have easy access to firearms with the degree of killing power.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a sad reality and if nothing happens except the same tired lines and on to the next thing to argue about then this will be the new normal. That is what the gun lobby wants.

Lets begin with universal background checks, permits, and training. Then we can invest more in mental health services, suicide prevention, and work towards common ground going forward.

But if you stick your head into the vacuous hole of conspiracy theory, which intensifies the extremism, nothing will get done.

Prayers to a better, brighter future and open hearts to accept it. Cheers.

 

[CUAngler]

He stated in his manifesto that the AR-15 is a military weapon

Somewhat related

Connor Betts tweets right after 17 students were killed in Parkland Vote Blue and tweets to Senator Rob Porter "how much did you pay to look the other way"

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

Both shooters were registered Democrats.

These shootings seem to be politically motivated. Something very sinister is going on with the resist crowd.

Quit making things up and posting from your fringe websites.

Texas doesn't make you affiliated with a party.

 

[92TigerME]

I have read the manifesto--it is anti immigrant. The MyLife page was altered a bunch of times--there isn't any actual evidence that he was a registered dem that I have seen. If Betts was a gun loving leftist bully democrat it shows that no one is free from extremism on either side. All the more reason to make it harder for these people to have easy access to firearms with the degree of killing power.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a sad reality and if nothing happens except the same tired lines and on to the next thing to argue about then this will be the new normal. That is what the gun lobby wants.

Lets begin with universal background checks, permits, and training. Then we can invest more in mental health services, suicide prevention, and work towards common ground going forward.

But if you stick your head into the vacuous hole of conspiracy theory, which intensifies the extremism, nothing will get done.

Prayers to a better, brighter future and open hearts to accept it. Cheers.

Not when the resist crowd openly call for doing whatever it takes to get rid of guns. Not when we have multiple evidence of false flag events (Jussie Smollett and Podesta Emails etc.)

We already have universal background checks. Permits are just a means for prohibition and count as infringement our Second Amendment Rights. Mental Health is not the issue. These shooters all knew what they were doing. Democrats don't want common ground. They want gun ban. They have said so.

There is ample evidence the Ohio shooter and family were Dems. The Texas shooters sounds like a Commie Bernie Bro but definitely not a Republican.

I went thru the conceal carry permit and got one. That won't stop this.

 

[nsp1996]

I have read the manifesto--it is anti immigrant. The MyLife page was altered a bunch of times--there isn't any actual evidence that he was a registered dem that I have seen. If Betts was a gun loving leftist bully democrat it shows that no one is free from extremism on either side. All the more reason to make it harder for these people to have easy access to firearms with the degree of killing power.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a sad reality and if nothing happens except the same tired lines and on to the next thing to argue about then this will be the new normal. That is what the gun lobby wants.

Lets begin with universal background checks, permits, and training. Then we can invest more in mental health services, suicide prevention, and work towards common ground going forward.

But if you stick your head into the vacuous hole of conspiracy theory, which intensifies the extremism, nothing will get done.

Prayers to a better, brighter future and open hearts to accept it. Cheers.

Clemben,
You sound educated and rational.

Stop being a sheep. Say it! ILLEGAL ALIEN ! INVADER! They are only "immigrants" if they come legally.

How would "permits" make us safer? So a guy getting a permit would somehow stop him from committing murder? Do you really believe that?

What would make us safer? I know. Mandatory genetic testing of those whose families carried any gene related to insanity. Forced abortions for those that carry that gene. I also think that random, unannounced searches of homes to look for military-style weapons and any other potentially unsafe thing would help. Just in case, I'd do random, mandatory roadside searches as well to catch those gun toting murderers travelling to Clemson game tailgates (can't get into the stadium anymore with a gun). Maybe we also ask for proof of citizenship too?

 

[nsp1996]

Dylan roof? Or we could start with the most recent one.

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and your point is?

sure let's start.

 

[nsp1996]

The problem here is that all of the measures listed above will be completely ineffective against a person like this who is highly motivated to commit an atrocity. None of the above work level kept automatic weapons out of this guy’s hands.

But at least we got the law passed to impact people owning guns with bayonet lugs. Thank God... and thank our Democrat political masters! I can't imagine the carnage if these mass shooters had bayonets.

 

[92TigerME]

Quit making things up and posting from your fringe websites.

Texas doesn't make you affiliated with a party.

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You just did what you told me not to do.

 

[firegiver]

nice strawman argument you got going on there.

Are you talking about this?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...rampant-white-nationalism-across-the-country/

or this?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...trump-of-racism-for-attacking-squad-lunatics/

lol ok so you see how you are showing a couple people talking and stating their opinions and conflating that with my points? Yah thats proof you have the incapacity for complex thought.

 

[iceheart08]

this thread is absolutely nuts.

woa.

 

[92TigerME]

lol ok so you see how you are showing a couple people talking and stating their opinions and conflating that with my points? Yah thats proof you have the incapacity for complex thought.

Relax. This isn't a complex topic and doesn't require your complex thought skills. Don't overthink this. Keep it simple.

 

[92TigerME]

This removes all doubt about the Ohio shooter. Check out his twitter

Communist, ANTIFA, Resister, Nevertrump, Satanist etc
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60569

 

[orangelvis]

Orange, you never met a conspiracy you didn't fall for. Look up the definition of "paranoia" and see if it fits.

Well, if the Dems/libs didn't try and blame it on their adversaries, each and every time...
Also, why doesn't the dems/libs and msn focus the multiple killings just in Chicago or Baltimore each and every weekend?
It's not that I see a conspiracy, I just like to point out things to show hypocrisy and the intent of people who are perpetrating the real conspiracy. Every single Dem presidential candidate has already blamed these shootings on Trump! Unbelievable!

 

[Woody1405]

Well, if the Dems/libs didn't try and blame it on their adversaries, each and every time...
Also, why doesn't the dems/libs and msn focus the multiple killings just in Chicago or Baltimore each and every weekend?
It's not that I see a conspiracy, I just like to point out things to show hypocrisy and the intent of people who are perpetrating the real conspiracy. Every single Dem presidential candidate has already blamed these shootings on Trump! Unbelievable!

So, you see no connection between Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric and mass shootings of immigrants or those thought to be of Hispanic origin? You see no connection between the use of the term "invasion" by the POTUS and the use of the term "invasion" by the shooter? When Trump asked what to do about the "hispanic invasion" at a Florida rally, someone in the crowd yells "shoot them". Trump laughs and jokes that you can only do that in the panhandle and the crowd laughs. This is not a matter of democrat or republican. It is a matter of "white supremacy" which is fueled by Trump and his supporters who say nothing.

 

[92TigerME]

So, you see no connection between Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric and mass shootings of immigrants or those thought to be of Hispanic origin? You see no connection between the use of the term "invasion" by the POTUS and the use of the term "invasion" by the shooter? When Trump asked what to do about the "hispanic invasion" at a Florida rally, someone in the crowd yells "shoot them". Trump laughs and jokes that you can only do that in the panhandle and the crowd laughs. This is not a matter of democrat or republican. It is a matter of "white supremacy" which is fueled by Trump and his supporters who say nothing.

The words that the shooter used in his manifesto could be a false flag that he or someone wrote for him just so you can drive the point you are making which is what every Democrat is doing right now. The FBI has already warned us not to believe what is written in the manifesto just yet. They are still investigating it. In the Jussie Smollett case, he had set up an elaborate hoax designed to show how Trump's rhetoric was causing hate crimes. That was a false flag. In the Podesta emails, we learned that the DNC hired people to start fights at Trump rally's and even organized reporters from CNN to cover the events so that they could blame Trump supporters.

So be careful what you believe. Now if you want to believe the shooter wrote the manifesto and that he believed in it, then you need to look at all that he wrote and if you do that, then he was a racist, socialist and climate change alarmist. He had an entire paragraph on how corporations were destroying the planet which may have been his reason to die. Where did he get influenced about that?

Finally, there is nothing wrong with the political rhetoric that Trump uses to combat illegal immigration. Nobody should kill people for political reasons. The fact that you are blaming Trump is just feeding the madness.

 

[orangelvis]

So, you see no connection between Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric and mass shootings of immigrants or those thought to be of Hispanic origin? You see no connection between the use of the term "invasion" by the POTUS and the use of the term "invasion" by the shooter? When Trump asked what to do about the "hispanic invasion" at a Florida rally, someone in the crowd yells "shoot them". Trump laughs and jokes that you can only do that in the panhandle and the crowd laughs. This is not a matter of democrat or republican. It is a matter of "white supremacy" which is fueled by Trump and his supporters who say nothing.

What I see, is your mind has been co-opted by the msm and the lib/dems,( which are really one and the same).
What do you call hundreds of thousands of people entering our country illegally? First it was a manufactured crisis, right? Now, that narrative doesn't work anymore; because of facts.
Do you have any idea of how much crime has been committed by illegal aliens in this country? Do you have any idea of how many of these criminals, here illegally are being protected by dem/lib politicians? No, of course you don't, because the dem/lib press doesn't want you to know about it and you're too lazy to inform yourself.
The killer in El Paso is a white nationalist, who also believes in Universal Healthcare and Universal Income. How do rationalize that?
The killer in Ohio, was a leftist, socialist, and satanist who killed his own sister and hoped to vote for Elizabeth Warren. How do you rationalize that?
Foe anyone to say that Trump fuels "white supremacy" is just pure ignorance born out of believing everything you hear from msm/leftist/progressive propaganda.

 

[orangelvis]

Don't let what happens in heavily gun controlled cities and states like CHicago, Illinois bother the narrative that leftist employ every...single...time.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/201...go-every-weekend-50-shot-6-killed-windy-city/

 

[Rychek4]

Don't let what happens in heavily gun controlled cities and states like CHicago, Illinois bother the narrative that leftist employ every...single...time.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/201...go-every-weekend-50-shot-6-killed-windy-city/

Per capita Chicago isn't anywhere near the top. That's New Orleans with almost 3 times as many. And Louisiana ranks somewhere like 30th in gun law strength.

I don't know why people keep bringing up Chicago though, these things are much more often tracked at the state level.

 

[Woody1405]

What I see, is your mind has been co-opted by the msm and the lib/dems,( which are really one and the same).
What do you call hundreds of thousands of people entering our country illegally? First it was a manufactured crisis, right? Now, that narrative doesn't work anymore; because of facts.
Do you have any idea of how much crime has been committed by illegal aliens in this country? Do you have any idea of how many of these criminals, here illegally are being protected by dem/lib politicians? No, of course you don't, because the dem/lib press doesn't want you to know about it and you're too lazy to inform yourself.
The killer in El Paso is a white nationalist, who also believes in Universal Healthcare and Universal Income. How do rationalize that?
The killer in Ohio, was a leftist, socialist, and satanist who killed his own sister and hoped to vote for Elizabeth Warren. How do you rationalize that?
Foe anyone to say that Trump fuels "white supremacy" is just pure ignorance born out of believing everything you hear from msm/leftist/progressive propaganda.

Orange, don't let the fact that immigrants, legal and illegal, commit less crime than native born Americans get in the way of your narrative. One of the reasons that I believe illegal immigration went from a 50 year low during Obama's administration to an all time high now is that the stupid SOB who occupies the Whitehouse threatened to build a wall. Everyone who was thinking about coming here decided they better go ahead before the wall was built. Our money would be better spent trying to give law enforcement help to those Central American countries which are the source of the problem so that people could raise their families in peace. Think about it. If you thought your 12 year old son was going to enter a gang or be killed, or that your daughter would be sold into the sex trade or be killed, would you stay where you live now?

 

[orangelvis]

Per capita Chicago isn't anywhere near the top. That's New Orleans with almost 3 times as many. And Louisiana ranks somewhere like 30th in gun law strength.

I don't know why people keep bringing up Chicago though, these things are much more often tracked at the state level.

Orange, don't let the fact that immigrants, legal and illegal, commit less crime than native born Americans get in the way of your narrative. One of the reasons that I believe illegal immigration went from a 50 year low during Obama's administration to an all time high now is that the stupid SOB who occupies the Whitehouse threatened to build a wall. Everyone who was thinking about coming here decided they better go ahead before the wall was built. Our money would be better spent trying to give law enforcement help to those Central American countries which are the source of the problem so that people could raise their families in peace. Think about it. If you thought your 12 year old son was going to enter a gang or be killed, or that your daughter would be sold into the sex trade or be killed, would you stay where you live now?

If you believe this stupid sh!t you just posted, then you are beyond help. I'm hoping that you're just a troll.

 

[Rychek4]

If you believe this stupid sh!t you just posted, then you are beyond help. I'm hoping that you're just a troll.

I am not above making a mistake, what part was I wrong about

 

[orangelvis]

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If you believe this stupid sh!t you just posted, then you are beyond help. I'm hoping that you're just a troll.
I am not above making a mistake, what part was I wrong about

That was a response to someone else. If you want to play the tit-for-tat game, then who do we blame for the guy who shot up the House Repub softball practice that nearly killed Steve Scalise? After all, he was a Bernie supporter and a volunteer for Bernie's campaign. Did you read of anyone blaming Bernie's rhetoric? I remember virtually ALL members of who you would call Right Wing media warning people not to go there, including Sean Hannity. So what is your point?

 

[firegiver]

Relax. This isn't a complex topic and doesn't require your complex thought skills. Don't overthink this. Keep it simple.

nice tap out. I kept it simple for you and you fell down and hurt yourself.

 

[IMBlessed]

I guess my point is, mass shootings are a sensational horrible spectacle that are tragic theater... but in the big picture, there are far more deadly things that are more likely to happen and much bigger problems facing our country.

Interesting..For example?

 

[Rychek4]

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If you believe this stupid sh!t you just posted, then you are beyond help. I'm hoping that you're just a troll.
I am not above making a mistake, what part was I wrong about

That was a response to someone else. If you want to play the tit-for-tat game, then who do we blame for the guy who shot up the House Repub softball practice that nearly killed Steve Scalise? After all, he was a Bernie supporter and a volunteer for Bernie's campaign. Did you read of anyone blaming Bernie's rhetoric? I remember virtually ALL members of who you would call Right Wing media warning people not to go there, including Sean Hannity. So what is your point?

I'm not going to defend Bernie lol.

 

[nsp1996]

Interesting..For example?

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicied via handgun

(quoting Neil deGrass Tyson's post that he made after I posted)

in the same time that we had the deaths from these mass shootings... And these keep occurring while mass shootings are episodic...

My other point was that it's so hypocritical for the left to jump in and stoke hysteria over guns when the societal cost of MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of illegals in this country FAR eclipse mass shooting deaths... and yet the left promotes open borders and sanctuary for those (some of them violent, but all of them crimminals).

Advocate for the banning of all sorts of guns, shout down free speech and give more power to the government... while calling Trump a "fascist." Think about that. LoL.

Makes no sense.

About as much sense as thinking metal detectors at CU games are going to make anyone that much safer.

Which is why I, have a long way to go before I support "sensible gun control"... Because I don't trust my government or those who will continue to take away my rights little by little if I give them the chance.

 

[92TigerME]

I'm not sure if I believe the words of a man who just slaughtered 22 people. If indeed he wrote the manifesto, he most certainly had political motives. Lied about dying. This is why I think it could be a false flag similar to the Jussie Smollett. If the objective was to revive the Trump creates Hate narrative and we need more gun control, then it's working.

 

[IMBlessed]

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicied via handgun

(quoting Neil deGrass Tyson's post that he made after I posted)

in the same time that we had the deaths from these mass shootings... And these keep occurring while mass shootings are episodic...

My other point was that it's so hypocritical for the left to jump in and stoke hysteria over guns when the societal cost of MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of illegals in this country FAR eclipse mass shooting deaths... and yet the left promotes open borders and sanctuary for those (some of them violent, but all of them crimminals).

Advocate for the banning of all sorts of guns, shout down free speech and give more power to the government... while calling Trump a "fascist." Think about that. LoL.

Makes no sense.

About as much sense as thinking metal detectors at CU games are going to make anyone that much safer.

Which is why I, have a long way to go before I support "sensible gun control"... Because I don't trust my government or those who will continue to take away my rights little by little if I give them the chance.

Ok so Your more important issues are mostly accidental with the exception being “Hand Guns”! Ok if that works for you! The prophet Forrest Gump says, Stupid is as etc...
Also you don’t approve of any gun issues because you don’t trust the government! Ok we will continue to discuss after the next mass, domestic terriorist shooting! Personally, I don’t understand doing the same thing expecting a different result, thus, CU metal detectors may not prevent all, but if it does 1, I will take it! Also, I pray you & your family remains free from such violence!
Finally, you realize, I hope that Senator McConnel will not move forward on Congress passed Immigration Legislation. Why can’t we discuss?

 

[Woody1405]

If you believe this stupid sh!t you just posted, then you are beyond help. I'm hoping that you're just a troll.

Orange, so what do you not believe? Why do you think people in Central America are willing to walk 600+ miles across a desolate and dangerous country (Mexico) to try to enter the USA? Do you believe that the crime rate for illegal immigrants is higher than those who were born in the states? Do you think the number of illegal attempted entries under Trump has gone up or down? I wish you would provide some answers and then I will share my research with you.

 

[nsp1996]

Ok so Your more important issues are mostly accidental with the exception being “Hand Guns”! Ok if that works for you! The prophet Forrest Gump says, Stupid is as etc...
Also you don’t approve of any gun issues because you don’t trust the government! Ok we will continue to discuss after the next mass, domestic terriorist shooting! Personally, I don’t understand doing the same thing expecting a different result, thus, CU metal detectors may not prevent all, but if it does 1, I will take it! Also, I pray you & your family remains free from such violence!
Finally, you realize, I hope that Senator McConnel will not move forward on Congress passed Immigration Legislation. Why can’t we discuss?

"mass shootings" with "military stye" rifles are an insignificant cause of death in this country. Period. But Dems will continue to use these tragedies for political gain.

I like some of Trump's recent proposals re: guns.

If we can do instant background checks when buying a gun, why can't we make requiring some form of ID that verifies identification and citizenship status when voting a federal law as well?

CU Metal detectors will not prevent anything. But if it makes people think that it does then I guess it works for you. Just don't stand in that crowd tailgating or waiting to get in because t the crazy guy that was planning to do something in the stadium this year will now do it there...

I am not a Mitch McConnel fan.

 

[IMBlessed]

"mass shootings" with "military stye" rifles are an insignificant cause of death in this country. Period. But Dems will continue to use these tragedies for political gain.

I like some of Trump's recent proposals re: guns.

If we can do instant background checks when buying a gun, why can't we make requiring some form of ID that verifies identification and citizenship status when voting a federal law as well?

CU Metal detectors will not prevent anything. But if it makes people think that it does then I guess it works for you. Just don't stand in that crowd tailgating or waiting to get in because t the crazy guy that was planning to do something in the stadium this year will now do it there...

I am not a Mitch McConnel fan.

1. Is your first sentence a typo! If not please turn on the tv or google El Paso or Dayton!
2. Trump nor McConnel has not submitted “Any” proposal! He is tied into NRA standings, thus after every tragedy he says things for the moment then...Nothing!
3. My friend metal detectors, like our police, military, fire department, guns are used to Deter, nothing is 100% fool proof. What does Not work for me is to Not Try Something Different!
4. Why do you keep telling me about your perception of some political party platform? I am interested in your views not Fox News, Rush, MSNBC etc..., unless yours are tied in to one of those!

 

[nsp1996]

1. Is your first sentence a typo! If not please turn on the tv or google El Paso or Dayton!
2. Trump nor McConnel has not submitted “Any” proposal! He is tied into NRA standings, thus after every tragedy he says things for the moment then...Nothing!
3. My friend metal detectors, like our police, military, fire department, guns are used to Deter, nothing is 100% fool proof. What does Not work for me is to Not Try Something Different!
4. Why do you keep telling me about your perception of some political party platform? I am interested in your views not Fox News, Rush, MSNBC etc..., unless yours are tied in to one of those!

Ok. Since you asked... I'll answer.

1. "Mass shootings" with "military stye" rifles are an insignificant cause of death in this country. Period. Nope. No typos there.

(Mass shootings with "evil" "military style" rifles annually / Population in the US) x 100 = % of people killed in mass shootings annually.

250 (ish) (my guess) / 327.2 Million = 7.64 e-7 % = really, really small number for people to be freaking out about and willing to trample on constitutional rights over.

Put another way... The leading cause of death in the US are:

• Heart disease.
• Cancer.
• Unintentional injuries.
• Chronic lower respiratory disease.
• Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases.
• Alzheimer's disease.
• Diabetes.
• Influenza and pneumonia.

Nope no typo here either.

Not even making the hit parade is that 40,000 people in the US die every year in auto accidents...most probably killed by people with more than one vehicle!! Why aren't we having a national conversation about vehicles, traffic laws, licensing requirements, car buying regulations and highways first? Does this outrage you as more than El Paso or Dayton? It should. So lets talk about first things first...

2. Trump. Yes he has. However, I'm sure that you don't agree with them. Regards the NRA... Good to hear. I am the NRA. So it's good that I have the ear of the President. Makes me feel good that (so far) he isn't defaulting to taking away my rights just to be "politically correct".

3. I think we agree here. My only comment would be that Metal Detectors at CU football stadium, like "gun free" zones only serve to disarm the law abiding and rob them of their rights to defend themselves.. but really do NOTHING to prevent anything. To whatever degree the metal detectors make the stadium environment safer... it makes the "outside the stadium" environment more dangerous in equal proportion... maybe moreso, since the law abiding will not be armed while moving to the stadium. Totally a "feel good" and "for liability reasons" reaction. If you don't agree or recognize this, I cannot do any better to try and make my point. Agree to disagree.

I do not support "doing something" that doesn't work.

4. Ok. Fair point.

 

[Woody1405]

Ok. Since you asked... I'll answer.

1. "Mass shootings" with "military stye" rifles are an insignificant cause of death in this country. Period. Nope. No typos there.

(Mass shootings with "evil" "military style" rifles annually / Population in the US) x 100 = % of people killed in mass shootings annually.

250 (ish) (my guess) / 327.2 Million = 7.64 e-7 % = really, really small number for people to be freaking out about and willing to trample on constitutional rights over.

Put another way... The leading cause of death in the US are:

• Heart disease.
• Cancer.
• Unintentional injuries.
• Chronic lower respiratory disease.
• Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases.
• Alzheimer's disease.
• Diabetes.
• Influenza and pneumonia.

Nope no typo here either.

Not even making the hit parade is that 40,000 people in the US die every year in auto accidents...most probably killed by people with more than one vehicle!! Why aren't we having a national conversation about vehicles, traffic laws, licensing requirements, car buying regulations and highways first? Does this outrage you as more than El Paso or Dayton? It should. So lets talk about first things first...

2. Trump. Yes he has. However, I'm sure that you don't agree with them. Regards the NRA... Good to hear. I am the NRA. So it's good that I have the ear of the President. Makes me feel good that (so far) he isn't defaulting to taking away my rights just to be "politically correct".

3. I think we agree here. My only comment would be that Metal Detectors at CU football stadium, like "gun free" zones only serve to disarm the law abiding and rob them of their rights to defend themselves.. but really do NOTHING to prevent anything. To whatever degree the metal detectors make the stadium environment safer... it makes the "outside the stadium" environment more dangerous in equal proportion... maybe moreso, since the law abiding will not be armed while moving to the stadium. Totally a "feel good" and "for liability reasons" reaction. If you don't agree or recognize this, I cannot do any better to try and make my point. Agree to disagree.

I do not support "doing something" that doesn't work.

4. Ok. Fair point.

More people die in the U.S. from guns than auto accidents, albeit many are suicides. You do not have a right to own a semi automatic weapon with a large capacity magazine. If you do have that right it has not ever been declared by U.S. courts. The Heller decision, most often misquoted by the gun lobby held two things. One, a law forbidding you the right to register a hand gun is unconstitutional. Two, the same law requiring a handgun in the home to be non operational (trigger lock) is unconstitutional. There have been a number of court decisions upholding the right to regulate large capacity magazines. When these decisions were appealed to the U.S. supreme court the court refused to hear them, thus letting the lower court decisions stand.
Lastly, gun nuts seem only to be concerned about the second amendment but not the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
In my opinion the only thing that is going to stop this carnage is a set of laws totally banning the sale and possession of semi automatic weapons with large capacity magazines. That is what Australia did and it worked. If this is a mental health issue and not a gun issue, the US must be the only country in the world with mental health issues because we are the only developed country in the world that endures these never ending catastrophes.
I say this as a gun owner, former hunter and sporting clays shooter. I own 4 shot guns, 1 rifle and 2 pistols which I keep in a gun safe.

 

[IMBlessed]

Ok. Since you asked... I'll answer.

1. "Mass shootings" with "military stye" rifles are an insignificant cause of death in this country. Period. Nope. No typos there.

(Mass shootings with "evil" "military style" rifles annually / Population in the US) x 100 = % of people killed in mass shootings annually.

250 (ish) (my guess) / 327.2 Million = 7.64 e-7 % = really, really small number for people to be freaking out about and willing to trample on constitutional rights over.

Put another way... The leading cause of death in the US are:

• Heart disease.
• Cancer.
• Unintentional injuries.
• Chronic lower respiratory disease.
• Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases.
• Alzheimer's disease.
• Diabetes.
• Influenza and pneumonia.

Nope no typo here either.

Not even making the hit parade is that 40,000 people in the US die every year in auto accidents...most probably killed by people with more than one vehicle!! Why aren't we having a national conversation about vehicles, traffic laws, licensing requirements, car buying regulations and highways first? Does this outrage you as more than El Paso or Dayton? It should. So lets talk about first things first...

2. Trump. Yes he has. However, I'm sure that you don't agree with them. Regards the NRA... Good to hear. I am the NRA. So it's good that I have the ear of the President. Makes me feel good that (so far) he isn't defaulting to taking away my rights just to be "politically correct".

3. I think we agree here. My only comment would be that Metal Detectors at CU football stadium, like "gun free" zones only serve to disarm the law abiding and rob them of their rights to defend themselves.. but really do NOTHING to prevent anything. To whatever degree the metal detectors make the stadium environment safer... it makes the "outside the stadium" environment more dangerous in equal proportion... maybe moreso, since the law abiding will not be armed while moving to the stadium. Totally a "feel good" and "for liability reasons" reaction. If you don't agree or recognize this, I cannot do any better to try and make my point. Agree to disagree.

I do not support "doing something" that doesn't work.

4. Ok. Fair point.

Ok & I see your position & will repeat my points & without agree to disagree...Just totally disagree:

1. Your rational of not doing anything about a weapon on Our Streets that kill (Ohio & other US Cities) 9 people in less than 30 seconds is a 20 on the 10 factor Wow Scale! Furthermore & it is highlighted, which have the Government (Seat Belts etc..), AMA (Exercise etc...) have We not taken a Preventive Stance On? Your comparison is perplexing!
2. Give me 1, no 1/2 Proposal that This Administration has passed (ie taxes for the wealthy) concerning gun safety! As stated on Fox News today, NRA (your a member & I am sure aware of) told Trump any gun legislation will not be well received by (correct me if I am wrong, you described yourself as one) His NRA Base, So don’t it, signed Wayne L.! I will not give this president or anyone in government credit for “Lip Service” or “Thoughts & Prayers” after Americans are mass murdered in Our Country! Especially those who try & blame them on video games (Japan says Hello)!
Also, I am fully aware of people being killed daily by hand guns & this disgust me also, especially illegal guns! Signed me, Retired military, owner of several guns & protector of Our Rights!
3. I will never, ever adopt your comments or ideals of problem/do nothing to rock the boat! Our country has progressed from boat (tea party, voting & civil rights) rockers! Thus, if a metal doctor is used to deter/prevent, “Why Not Rock The Boat To Maybe Save A Life!”
4. Proverbs 3:5-6 & God Bless America!

 

[nsp1996]

More people die in the U.S. from guns than auto accidents, albeit many are suicides. You do not have a right to own a semi automatic weapon with a large capacity magazine. If you do have that right it has not ever been declared by U.S. courts. The Heller decision, most often misquoted by the gun lobby held two things. One, a law forbidding you the right to register a hand gun is unconstitutional. Two, the same law requiring a handgun in the home to be non operational (trigger lock) is unconstitutional. There have been a number of court decisions upholding the right to regulate large capacity magazines. When these decisions were appealed to the U.S. supreme court the court refused to hear them, thus letting the lower court decisions stand.
Lastly, gun nuts seem only to be concerned about the second amendment but not the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
In my opinion the only thing that is going to stop this carnage is a set of laws totally banning the sale and possession of semi automatic weapons with large capacity magazines. That is what Australia did and it worked. If this is a mental health issue and not a gun issue, the US must be the only country in the world with mental health issues because we are the only developed country in the world that endures these never ending catastrophes.
I say this as a gun owner, former hunter and sporting clays shooter. I own 4 shot guns, 1 rifle and 2 pistols which I keep in a gun safe.

Thank you for the rational and respectful reply. I will give you the same respect even though we might end up not agreeing. I am not in any way trying to be perjorative...but you might have some years on me. Most people do not label themselves as "former" hunters if they are young (and able-bodied).

I have a family that I will vigorously defend. It is just my wife and I at home now, but I have a dog that WILL bite you if you are not invited. And my house has a dog owner who will stop anyone that the dog cannot ( I will help my dog).

First, Statistics. You need to be careful. You could/did not dispute my comment.. you obfuscated.

Firearms deaths... yes, that's a lot. HOWEVER...

Gang-bangers killing each other ... Thank you. A dude killing his wife and kids... Sad, but not my problem. A woman killing her kids, hen her husband and then herself... Sad, but not my problem. A dude, practicing his marksmanship on his cheating wife and her boy toy in his own bed when he came home from work unexpectedly... woah, dude..not worth it.. but again, not my problem. A homeowner smoking some shitheads coming thru the window at night... Great Shooting!..and not my problem. Lost your big fortnight tournament and can't take the shame so you eat a bullet.. that is stupid.. and not my problem. Should I continue? No. I think not.

All of these are not societies problem... unless you are a democrat and looking to whore yourself for votes.

I'm an NRA life member and a "gun nut" (your terminology). (Very open minded of you).

While you were mentioning other rights in your post, you forgot to mention one right in your post. The right to self-defense.

I'm sure that you know this, but your guns in your gun safe, won't help you defend yourself.

So, we get down to it. Ban all semi-auto weapons? Me? No. Revolvers and bolt action rifles only? No.

My objection is the 2A... which can easily be changed by a constitutional convention.

But for now. no.

 

[92TigerME]

 

[nsp1996]

Ok & I see your position & will repeat my points & without agree to disagree...Just totally disagree:

1. Your rational of not doing anything about a weapon on Our Streets that kill (Ohio & other US Cities) 9 people in less than 30 seconds is a 20 on the 10 factor Wow Scale! Furthermore & it is highlighted, which have the Government (Seat Belts etc..), AMA (Exercise etc...) have We not taken a Preventive Stance On? Your comparison is perplexing!
2. Give me 1, no 1/2 Proposal that This Administration has passed (ie taxes for the wealthy) concerning gun safety! As stated on Fox News today, NRA (your a member & I am sure aware of) told Trump any gun legislation will not be well received by (correct me if I am wrong, you described yourself as one) His NRA Base, So don’t it, signed Wayne L.! I will not give this president or anyone in government credit for “Lip Service” or “Thoughts & Prayers” after Americans are mass murdered in Our Country! Especially those who try & blame them on video games (Japan says Hello)!
Also, I am fully aware of people being killed daily by hand guns & this disgust me also, especially illegal guns! Signed me, Retired military, owner of several guns & protector of Our Rights!
3. I will never, ever adopt your comments or ideals of problem/do nothing to rock the boat! Our country has progressed from boat (tea party, voting & civil rights) rockers! Thus, if a metal doctor is used to deter/prevent, “Why Not Rock The Boat To Maybe Save A Life!”
4. Proverbs 3:5-6 & God Bless America!

Dude, you sound a little unhinged. Put down the remote and step away from the TV. It is not that bad.

9 shots in 30 seconds is over 3 seconds per shot. Anyone could do that with a bolt action rifle....

Regardless... the 2A is the issue. I'm against anything that infringes on my constitutional rights. 1st, or 2nd or any other.



I bought more gun parts to build more "assault rifles" and more ammo this weekend. I am waiting to see what Trump will do with all the anti-constitution hysteria over guns before I donate more to his campaign.

 

[nsp1996]

Orange, so what do you not believe? Why do you think people in Central America are willing to walk 600+ miles across a desolate and dangerous country (Mexico) to try to enter the USA? Do you believe that the crime rate for illegal immigrants is higher than those who were born in the states? Do you think the number of illegal attempted entries under Trump has gone up or down? I wish you would provide some answers and then I will share my research with you.

Hey woody...

I'm curious as to why you think any American citizen should give a shit about people from Central America who are coming to illegally enter the United States? s

Who gives a shit about the crime rate for illegal Aliens when none of them should be here in the first place? If our federal government was doing it's job the number would be zero. What do you think? Should the Federal government protect our border and enforce our immigration laws?

Do you think that attempted illegal entries are in any way tied to a fear that the border might be closed in the near future?

Why is it a good thing for the US to take in an unlimited number of uneducated non-Englisha speaking people?

 

[Woody1405]

Hey woody...

I'm curious as to why you think any American citizen should give a shit about people from Central America who are coming to illegally enter the United States? s

Who gives a shit about the crime rate for illegal Aliens when none of them should be here in the first place? If our federal government was doing it's job the number would be zero. What do you think? Should the Federal government protect our border and enforce our immigration laws?

Do you think that attempted illegal entries are in any way tied to a fear that the border might be closed in the near future?

Why is it a good thing for the US to take in an unlimited number of uneducated non-Englisha speaking people?

The reason I care is that we are all God's children. Secondly I care because I'm wondering who is going to process those chickens. I live in a new community where many houses are being started every month. I am yet to see a black or white framer, sheetrock installer, painter, roofer or most any other tradesman. Who is going to do that work? I do believe we need immigration laws but I don't understand why we don't issue millions of work permits for undocumented migrants who are doing work that apparently the rest of us think we are too good to do. I also don't understand a policy that arrests 600 or so workers but doesn't charge the companies or managers who hired them.

 

[IMBlessed]

Dude, you sound a little unhinged. Put down the remote and step away from the TV. It is not that bad.

9 shots in 30 seconds is over 3 seconds per shot. Anyone could do that with a bolt action rifle....

Regardless... the 2A is the issue. I'm against anything that infringes on my constitutional rights. 1st, or 2nd or any other.



I bought more gun parts to build more "assault rifles" and more ammo this weekend. I am waiting to see what Trump will do with all the anti-constitution hysteria over guns before I donate more to his campaign.

Dude your description of me is met with laughter! Unfortunately, I speak from experience having done some unspeakable thing with guns, for Our Country, during my 21 years of Honorable Military Service! Thus, a Dude your trying to define as remote controlled looking at tv, defended Our Constitution while others (like Our Bone Spur President & you) Keep crapping On It!
Now please, buy, support & donate to President Bone Spurs As you deem appropriate! I on the other hand, a gun owner, Voter, Military Man will continue to be a voice to counter narrative that does not deter average citizens from mass killings, anti police protection & anti-Constitution!
Humor me please, Dude, how many years & what units did you (kill with a weapon, stop our enemies abroad) serve in For Our Country? After all, Dude, You Are Mr. don’t infringe on My Constitutional Rights!