Fair enough, when does football start? The offseason...
OT: shooting in VA beach
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It is actually a pretty purple state. People in the western states are pretty reasonable.
Personally I am not for gun control. If you want that, then amend the constitution--but I am all for Gun Safety.
1. Lol at your interpretation of freesc's post as him extending an olive branch.
2. Telling me I need to find Jesus is the exact opposite of extending an olive branch to me.
3. He's praying for me because he thinks the left has put hate in my heart. If I told you I was praying for you because the right makes you hate Hispanic people, would you say "thank you" to me?
Sure.
Have you watched what happens when a fetus self-aborts?
If you believe that this is when life starts then you should be the most vocal supporter of only having test tube babies--that is your only moral and ethical option.
If you believe it is at heartbeat. Great. But then heart cells in a petri dish can have a heartbeat. Got to deal with that.
I think brainwaves/brain function is a good place to find common ground. But that is just me...
I'm just always interested when people KNOW, like KNOW for certain when life begins.
Not saying suicides, drug overdoses, smoking and obesity aren’t epidemic or problematic, but they are a person’s own doing. Different than an innocent person being slaughtered.
So when is it ok to abort and when is it not? Do you honestly think that the primordial soup created all life out of a Big Bang alone? Sure life could arguably evolve from something like that, but the human soul? Your personality is nothing more than chance? You’re welcome to think that way. Regardless, where do you draw the line? What’s acceptable in your mind for the timeline to terminate a human life?
But that is my point. I don't know. Different faiths argue about it.
When does a body have a soul--what exact moment for all babies?
I'm not saying their isn't a grand design or a higher power or a god--far from it, but well intentioned, reasonable people of faith disagree about when life begins--so my question for people who KNOW--is when is the exact moment and how do you know?
Well I personally don't believe Jesus would have performed an abortion, so that’s where I stand.
I don't think this necessarily helps much with murders via guns, but I think it's crazy that you don't have to pass a written test and a course to obtain a gun license.
Just thinking in general terms, using common sense... Seems like a good idea to make sure someone who purchases an item intended to kill other things can at least go thru the hassle of taking a course and passing an exam. Not everyone has an educated father to teach them gun saftey. And if your gun isn't registered to your license, there should be serious consequences similar to cars.
Not suggesting that's any sort of answer to gun violence, but I think we are simply doing the public a disservice.
Just thinking in general terms, using common sense... Seems like a good idea to make sure someone who purchases an item intended to kill other things can at least go thru the hassle of taking a course and passing an exam. Not everyone has an educated father to teach them gun saftey. And if your gun isn't registered to your license, there should be serious consequences similar to cars.
Not suggesting that's any sort of answer to gun violence, but I think we are simply doing the public a disservice.
I agree. I had to take hunters ed when I was 13 or whenever. Still have to validate that to get hunting licenses (though I have a lifetime license now). Why wouldn’t we mandate something similar for gun owners? Class, written exam, background check, sign-off from your primary care physician. That covers a lot of issues.
Would you also like to have your Primary Care Physician sign off on your right to free speech or to practice your religion? What about your right to protest or vote? Right to assemble? What if your doc decided that you no longer have the right to prevent the government from storing troops in your house? Is that ok?
All of them. Prohibition leads to greater potency which is why we have crack. If you legalized cocaine, nobody would sell crack. Because drugs are disgusting and terrible, I would not let them be sold in a place of business. That would eliminate the need to regulate them under commerce laws. That would be my only regulation which is no regulation. Currently A kilogram of cocaine sells for $2500 in Colombia SA and $135,0000 on the street at $135/gram.
The black market price is what brings in an endless supply of smuggling.
Different topic, but passing a basic literacy exam to earn a voter ID seems like a great idea.
That is fine. But other people of faith who believe in Jesus say that they would when the life of the mother is at risk or for a 13 year old girl who was raped by their uncle or brother or father. Rape and incest.
And if the fetus isn't alive and doesn't have a soul can you say definitively that Jesus wouldn't allow ANY abortion. That is quite the absolute surety. Maybe you have had some spiritual confirmation on this that has made it a fact for you--that is great, but it hasn't happened for other people who honestly believe in Jesus.
Just saying that that is a tenuous position from which to make declarative judgements and uncompromising policy that grants absolute power to the federal govt.
Since the guy used and automatic pistol, so I guess that will now be the subject of a gun ban by the libs. Next thing you know someone kills some people with some rocks, then the liberals will go on a crusade to ban rocks. There goes my meteorite rock collection!
I know exactly what it is. You really need to get a life and stop worrying about mine.
The majority of mass shooters are mentally ill with paranoid schizophrenia being the most prevalent indicator. I’m okay with infringing on the gun rights of someone with that diagnosis in the interest of protecting the public. That’s where I was going with the PCP sign off.
Thoughts on the other parts? Do you think requiring a safety class, passing an exam and a background check (something more thorough than we have today - to include previous mental health episodes) are bad ideas?
I actually completely agree with background checks, people should be vetted when going to an FFL dealer, unfortunately several of the recent mass shootings perpetuators were wrongfully allowed to purchase. A failure of our law enforcement unfortunately. That’s where new gun laws are a bit of a loss on me, we have gun control laws, and Parkland, Charleston, Orlando, Dallas, etc.. all should have never happened if our government had done their job.
As for safety classes, I personally don’t go to indoor gun ranges as he general public is untrained and I don’t want to be around some asshat that has no idea what they are doing. Although it’s a right, not an opinion to bare arms.
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It’s my personal belief, I do not expect it to be law or anyone else’s for that matter. It’s my opinion that from a governmental perspective it’s a State’s right issue, much like gun control and pretty much everything else. The Federal government overreach needs to stop and the States, which means the residents of those states, need to take some power back.
Is it really that different of a topic? I mean if you’re discussing using a persons personal physician to sign off on whether or not they can go purchase a firearm, why not just let the doc or the government control it all?
I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but a major problem with gun reform is that we just dont have the data to come to any conclusion, one way or another.
12,000 people dying from guns is just what is
reported, as the majority of police precincts around the country dont have to report their gun related deaths....and those that do dont have to be accountable for the truthfulness of their reporting.
Finally, my biggest problem is that data and research into this topic will never happen in the US in the current political climate because it is obstructed. The Dickey amendment prevents any research into gun violence:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment
All lobbied for by the NRA, a terrible institution. I dont know the answer for how guns should be dealt with in this country, but it sure isn't best decided by a corrupt organization like the NRA.
Trump actually helped sign some leeway in CDC funds being used for gun research, which is a step in the right direction.
12,000 people dying from guns is just what is
reported, as the majority of police precincts around the country dont have to report their gun related deaths....and those that do dont have to be accountable for the truthfulness of their reporting.
Finally, my biggest problem is that data and research into this topic will never happen in the US in the current political climate because it is obstructed. The Dickey amendment prevents any research into gun violence:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment
All lobbied for by the NRA, a terrible institution. I dont know the answer for how guns should be dealt with in this country, but it sure isn't best decided by a corrupt organization like the NRA.
Trump actually helped sign some leeway in CDC funds being used for gun research, which is a step in the right direction.
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Geez, Australia and Switzerland must be among the highest proportion of God-fearing people on earth, then. Their rates of mass killings by gun is among the world’s lowest. Only thing is, I’m not aware of a higher degree of belief in those nations that Hell exists than ours. On the other hand, there are strict rules associated with gun ownership in those lands that don’t exist here in the US.
We are a freedom-loving people but are we really free if one has a realistic fear of being killed in the ordinary run of our lives? I think not.
Stephen Paddock was not mentally ill. He knew exactly what he was doing. He went out with a bang killing Trump supporters and adding more fire to the gun control debate. The Parkland shooter knew what he was doing also. He made a video bragging about how he was going to be the next school shooter. There are two terrorist camps in the USA who train school shooters. They know what they are doing too. It's time to recognize we have political terrorist and start looking for the radicals.
I would argue that terrorists are mentally ill, as are 100 percent of school shooters.
Didn’t Colorado just have a shooting? It was in another gun free zone. Handguns. 7 round mags
I believe you would also have to get atf approval and sled approval in SC to own an auto weapon. Not easy to do at all. But, don’t let that interfere with ice’s agenda.
A lot of potato in this thread.
Whenever someone demonizes the NRA or blames them for gun problems, you can go ahead and assume without that doubt that person has less intelligence than a dried up dog turd.
Whenever someone demonizes the NRA or blames them for gun problems, you can go ahead and assume without that doubt that person has less intelligence than a dried up dog turd.
12,000 homicides by guns in the US per year, out of a population of 320 million hardly creates a fear in our lives.
That is not even getting into a large portion of those are gang or drug related.
Maybe not. And I wasn’t saying they would be innocent or absolved. Just that they are very clearly mentally ill.
BOO! Just joking. I'm sorry for scaring you.
The fear you feel when going about your life is caused by you getting in a car and driving not from being shot in a mass killing.
Oh, and last I checked this is not Switzerland...
Most abortions are not a girl being raped by her uncle. Most are done as a form of birth control, and a large portion of the left is fine with that fact. To me, that’s evil.
Also, comparing the US to places like Switzerland, Australia, etc is also proof that person is either potato or can't put forth a decent argument. Demographics in those countries are entirely different than the US.
Religion is simply one check on certain violent impulses. laws and fear of punishment are others. A personal sense of shame when having done something wrong is another. So is a sense of pride in one's family name and knowing that certain acts would bring a stigma on others in the family are others.
This x 1000. Only this suggestion will be met with ridicule in todays "diverse" society.
If 1 murder is committed by an "undocumented immigrant", that's 1 murder that didn't have to happen. If that was your wife, daughter, etc., I'm guessing that statistic you give will mean jack sh*t to you.
Republicans and Democrats alike are responsible for the state we are in on our border all because they are all slaves to politics. We can fix this problem, a large chunk of it anyway, by closing these loopholes, changing the asylum laws and eliminating the incentive for these people to come here. That's on congress. Every day that passes is another bucket load of potential crime victims.
Maybe some other factors are that in the past in this country there was no question that boys and girls are different...with males of our (and most all) species more prone to violent urges...which we didnt wish away or try and helicopter parent our way out of. But rather we recognized it and provided boundaries and education appropriately...and fights happened...not ever incressting frustration and hopelessness that led to shootings. Oh and after the fight, even if lost, and while being punished, self esteem was improved.
Weapons? Shameful and cowardly. Two more concepts that may no longer have as much meaning now given the sustained assault on masculinity.
Weapons? Shameful and cowardly. Two more concepts that may no longer have as much meaning now given the sustained assault on masculinity.
