When you exclude the "thugs and gang bangers," that 12,000 gets whittled down pretty substantially.
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You literally just created your own rephrasing of what I said and then responded to yourself. Nice job. But hey, straw men are easier to light on fire.
There’s a huge difference bw “leftist agenda laden” and the “other side”.
We have reached a critical point where the perimeter that has been built around the USA to protect our rights to exercise the privilege of being a free society is destroying itself from the inside. Problem is too many emotional opinions behind various ideologies being expressed with violent intent, but to be honest, this is not new; the real difference is the impact that social media plays in our society. Social media now influences behavior and magnifies all problems. Data supporting facts or truth no longer matter because it is next to impossible to change the mind of a person who needs to believe the worst in everything to support their point of view. When you have a large number of people joining together with this mindset, new norms and values are created. We have a lot of smart people in our society that have brilliant points as to the root cause of the problem, but I am yet to see any real actions to ensure the safety of the people living in our country. The new normal is wake up, avoid places where there are large crowds, sit in restaurants where your back is facing the wall and you have a good vantage point to all exits, practice contingencies within your work places in the event of inside shooters, pray each day that the school where your kids attend is not attacked by misguided souls aiming to send a message to the world. Sadly, I saw a lot of what is going on in the US in Iraq and Afghanistan and the culture of division was so powerful in these countries that peace was simply not an option. Ultimately, we maintained some level of peace, but could not solve century old problems; that is the job of the people living in those countries.
The evil silencer must have made that gun do that. We must control them just like we did with those evil AR15 bayonet lugs.
Obama is currently in Brazil, bad mouthing our gun laws. Funny how he sent his daughters, to a private school with many armed security guards. Armed with automatic weapons.
Where do you come up with this BS?? So the "good guys" got guns. What's your point??
If someone is talking about full auto machine guns and uses the term SAW to describe a gun that rains death, they are talking about that picture. That is a SAW. I mean iceheart’s context is clear. Geez.
have you ever been around a firearm being discharged with a silencer? Hardly quiet and nothing like the movies...
A silencer has nothing to do with anything having to do with this shooting..just like the color of the gun or the type of handgrip
Correct, the person does, the gun, grip, silencer, etc.. are nothing but a tool. Finally a rational response.
I do psych evals for the courts and work with the guy who evaluated Timothy Jones jr and testified this week. Sadly there are some ticking time bombs out there that will be mass shooters. Meds don’t really help proactive violence. Some people are missing the moral parts of their brains or the parts that keep them from being impulsive. Legal and illegal recreational drugs make things worse. Reactive violence is much more common however. Meds can help with that if people take them.
This is likely to get worse. Just so much division and political and social discord in this country. When the truth and facts are revealed about the coup that nearly took place, tentions will only get worse, and more delusional idiots feeling like they must make a statement.
The truth is shocking to those who are brainwashed.
A lot of talk about gun regulation, but the biggest issue is mental health. Awareness, education and treatment. Someone close to me recently committed suicide and I had no idea there was an issue even remotely close to leading to that result.
As far as gun regulation, I agree that some of the unnecessary stuff should be illegal. Automatic weapons, bump stocks, giant magazines.
That said, guns really aren’t the problem. Two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides. Of the remaining third (approx. 12K annually) fewer than 50-100 are part of these mass shootings.
Now we all agree that number would be zero in an ideal world, but I think we also agree that the unstable people committing these crimes will find a way to destroy life regardless of the tool.
If you want to control gun deaths, focus on where the deaths are concentrated. Up to a third are gang or drug related. The majority happen in 2% of the counties in the US.
And this is just a fact and not intended to be a racial thing, but over half of gun deaths are African American males, despite being less than 7% of the population.
The vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns as well. Not assault rifles, high capacity firearms, etc.
If a person wants to be serious about reducing gun deaths, firearm regulation should be several notches down their priority list. They would focus on mental heath, localized issues resulting in firearm deaths (in the 2% of counties), and whatever issues are creating the significantly skewed rate at which African American males are dying.
Instead, people try to politicize gun regulation and it’s really sad to “weaponize” tragedies for political expedience.
As far as gun regulation, I agree that some of the unnecessary stuff should be illegal. Automatic weapons, bump stocks, giant magazines.
That said, guns really aren’t the problem. Two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides. Of the remaining third (approx. 12K annually) fewer than 50-100 are part of these mass shootings.
Now we all agree that number would be zero in an ideal world, but I think we also agree that the unstable people committing these crimes will find a way to destroy life regardless of the tool.
If you want to control gun deaths, focus on where the deaths are concentrated. Up to a third are gang or drug related. The majority happen in 2% of the counties in the US.
And this is just a fact and not intended to be a racial thing, but over half of gun deaths are African American males, despite being less than 7% of the population.
The vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns as well. Not assault rifles, high capacity firearms, etc.
If a person wants to be serious about reducing gun deaths, firearm regulation should be several notches down their priority list. They would focus on mental heath, localized issues resulting in firearm deaths (in the 2% of counties), and whatever issues are creating the significantly skewed rate at which African American males are dying.
Instead, people try to politicize gun regulation and it’s really sad to “weaponize” tragedies for political expedience.
Automatic rifles for the most part are illegal. The last crime that I recall that used automatic weapons were the LA bank robberies in the early 90s, and those guns were illegally modified.
Its amazing how much compassion liberals have for innocent people being killed...assuming of course they are outside of the womb.
They are so caught up in the narrative they are constantly fed. It's really sad.
What's shocking is your continued advocacy for a return to a time when women and people of color were openly discriminated against. The image of some good ol boys in SC driving around with shotguns attached to their pickup truck is outright terrifying to some. Id imagine there are lots of folks who remember those pickup trucks with Confederate flags on them as well.
You are going off the rails now iceman. Hang in there these next 5 years.
Ok, what about the 40,000 that die from second hand smoke.
You gonna shoot down F-16s with your Glock 9mm?
Preventing govt tyranny in the 21st century is gonna take more than guns imo.
Great point. That's why we should be able to buy stinger missiles and anything else the governemt has. And yes, I am dead serious as that was the intention of the 2nd amendment.
We simply have too many guns and they are in too many of the wrong hands. There is no evidence that the United States has a higher degree of mentally ill people than other nations. And, goodness knows, there is no evidence that the population of the U.S. have values worse than other countries. But we do have FAR more mass shootings of innocent people than most other countries.
Why is that?
One reason is the ease with which people can get firearms. What happened to the ‘well-regulated’ militia that is the reason for the 2nd amendment anyway?
Why is that?
One reason is the ease with which people can get firearms. What happened to the ‘well-regulated’ militia that is the reason for the 2nd amendment anyway?
...and of course soon in Colorado being a Republican or an Evangelical will be deemed a mental health issue.
Exactly. Times change. I'm not against guns. That's just a weak argument for guns in the 21st century.
I can’t find the part where @FreeSC said he missed the days of oppression and bigotry by the Democratic Party. Can you quote it for us?
You can't be serious...comparing "US gun owners" to TRAINED SOLDIERS AND MARINES???????????? WOW LOL LMAO ROFTL
I would be interested in a study about mental health issues in other developed countries compared to the US. The majority of mass shooters have a mental health issue of some sort. There’s a clear correlation there, so are we handling mental health issues better or worse than our peers?
Fair point and maybe the problem isn't guns, but 'caucasian men with guns"...serious question...not trying to bring race into a conversation on "TeaParty Illustrated", but why is it that caucasian men feel the need to kill strangers/innocent civilians with their guns. Sure there are outliers, but we can all agree that the vast majority of perpetrators of mass shootings are white men. Are they more 'depressed', sad, etc... than other races or females?
They also choose to live with somebody that smokes. That’s how my grandmother died...grandfather smoked in the house. I wish she had left him.
Found this on Twitter:
One party thinks gun laws won’t stop shootings but abortion laws will stop abortions
The other party thinks will stop shootings but abortion laws won’t stop abortions.
Somehow wherever you fall you actually believe you're right.
One party thinks gun laws won’t stop shootings but abortion laws will stop abortions
The other party thinks will stop shootings but abortion laws won’t stop abortions.
Somehow wherever you fall you actually believe you're right.
It’s a good question. Maybe mental health issues - particularly paranoia or schizophrenia - are more prevalent in white men.
Similarly, why do African American men kill other African Americans at a significantly greater rate than others? This happens far more often than white men killing strangers, so perhaps solving for this issue could save the greatest number of lives.
Exploring racial trends in gun violence shouldn’t be taboo. There are obvious correlations that should inform how we approach improvement.
Sound good, but like most things on Twitter, it's actually bull. The party that wants more gun laws to stop killings doesn't want to even attempt to stop killing by abortion. The other party knows that mass killings with guns are already illegal so more laws wont do it....and mass gun confiscation is against the constitution. However laws against abortion will prevent state sponsored murder and cut down on the murder rate overall.
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