OT: shooting in VA beach

[iceheart08]

Guy shot up his municipal govt office in VA beach. 11 dead including shooter.

This is not ok. This can't be our normal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ive-shooter-situation-virginia-beach-n1012646

 

[ForzaTigre]

You can’t stop this. If one person gets it in their warped minds they’re going to do this there’s no stopping them. Taking guns away doesn’t solve it.

 

[johnhugh]

Just a part of living in the greatest country on earth sadly. Taking on a daily risk of being slaughtered is one of the few cons of enjoying freedom

 

[CU_4734]

Just a part of living in the greatest country on earth sadly. Taking on a daily risk of being slaughtered is one of the few cons of enjoying freedom

No it’s because we’re now a country full of pvssies who can’t solve problems or handle confrontation

 

[PlayTimesOver]

No armed security at a muni building?

 

[CU_TrialLawyer]

No guns.

Just dragons and swords. Game of Thrones style.

 

[dpotter24]

Guy shot up his municipal govt office in VA beach. 11 dead including shooter.

This is not ok. This can't be our normal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news-suspect-custody-active-shooter-situation-virginia-beach-n1012646

While obviously tragic, you’re never going to take away anyone’s 2nd amendment rights...no matter how much you would like to. I didn’t read the article so I’m asking, handgun or rifle?

 

[dpotter24]

No armed security at a muni building?

And no metal detectors? A lot of f ups on their part if there were no armed security guards or metal detectors on site.

 

[Shevlin77]

You can’t stop this. If one person gets it in their warped minds they’re going to do this there’s no stopping them. Taking guns away doesn’t solve it.

I’ve had guns my whole life but something needs to change. No idea what the answer is.

 

[Ron Munson]

12,000 gun homicides the US. Out of a population of 330 million, hardly an epidemic.

45,000 suicides, 70,000 drug overdoses, 480,000 cigarette deaths, 300,000 due to obesity....those are epidemics.

But of course, there isnt a good narrative behind those deaths. Can't ban drugs that are already banned, or cigarettes or Mcdonalds

 

[johnhugh]

No it’s because we’re now a country full of pvssies who can’t solve problems or handle confrontation

Lol. Maybe invest in mental health? No, that costs money. Maybe try some law changes regarding firearms? No, that infringes in my right to hoard an armory.

 

[EastCHTiger]

I think blaming the victims is the wrong way to look at it. I go to this building for progress meetings, it is an open campus with a dozen buildings. We are supposed to have metal detectors where utility workers and admin people over water and sewer work? I just hope one of the people our company works closely with was not killed, she was shot apparently.

 

[clemsonu0219]

12,000 gun homicides the US. Out of a population of 330 million, hardly an epidemic.

45,000 suicides, 70,000 drug overdoses, 480,000 cigarette deaths, 300,000 due to obesity....those are epidemics.

But of course, there isnt a good narrative behind those deaths. Can't ban drugs that are already banned, or cigarettes or Mcdonalds

First thing...oh my what a tragedy in VA. We must absolutely do something but it isn’t the leftist agenda laden solutions.

Also, @Ron Munson, I must say...I love the short shorts posts and all...but...this is some sufficiently superior syllagistical sanity. In a World where it’s hard to find it.

We need to do something to fix the 12K, that’s not good at all, but the rest of the numbers scream for much more attention.

 

[Shevlin77]

12,000 gun homicides the US. Out of a population of 330 million, hardly an epidemic.

45,000 suicides, 70,000 drug overdoses, 480,000 cigarette deaths, 300,000 due to obesity....those are epidemics.

But of course, there isnt a good narrative behind those deaths. Can't ban drugs that are already banned, or cigarettes or Mcdonalds

People who commit suicide, die from obesity or smoking are pulling the trigger themselves.

The majority of the 12,000 people who die from gun homicides didn’t have a choice (excluding thugs and gangbangers etc)

Apples and oranges.

 

[CU_4734]

Lol. Maybe invest in mental health? No, that costs money. Maybe try some law changes regarding firearms? No, that infringes in my right to hoard an armory.

Look I’m not some crazy gun fan I personally don’t think automatic rifles have any place in society. But guns aren’t the problem, it’s behavior.

 

[johnhugh]

Look I’m not some crazy gun fan I personally don’t think automatic rifles have any place in society. But guns aren’t the problem, it’s behavior.

It’s a little bit of both IMO. We probably mostly agree

 

[dpotter24]

12,000 gun homicides the US. Out of a population of 330 million, hardly an epidemic.

45,000 suicides, 70,000 drug overdoses, 480,000 cigarette deaths, 300,000 due to obesity....those are epidemics.

But of course, there isnt a good narrative behind those deaths. Can't ban drugs that are already banned, or cigarettes or Mcdonalds

Thank you, Ron!

 

[dpotter24]

Look I’m not some crazy gun fan I personally don’t think automatic rifles have any place in society. But guns aren’t the problem, it’s behavior.

Good luck prying mine, and many others, away. It’ll never happen.

 

[padtigers]

Look I’m not some crazy gun fan I personally don’t think automatic rifles have any place in society. But guns aren’t the problem, it’s behavior.

Are you ok with the old revolvers? 6 shooter?

 

[ClemTigers83]

Odds he was on anti depressants?

 

[One Fingerd Fist]

We dont have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem. Shooter most likely was on antidepressants.

 

[CU_4734]

Are you ok with the old revolvers? 6 shooter?

Good one. Why don’t you share what benefit they have? Because you can have one?

 

[IcelandTiger]

We dont have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem. Shooter most likely was on antidepressants.

99% chance .... heavily medicated

 

[TigerDentGuy]

Look I’m not some crazy gun fan I personally don’t think automatic rifles have any place in society. But guns aren’t the problem, it’s behavior.

Uh automatic weapons are already banned.

 

[TigerDentGuy]

Good luck prying mine, and many others, away. It’ll never happen.

100% Molon Labe.

 

[iceheart08]

We dont have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem. Shooter most likely was on antidepressants.

99% chance .... heavily medicated

this is why we passed an extreme risk protection order here in Colorado. IF its a mental health issue, upon a ruling by a judge, we can take the guns of dangerous people.

 

[iceheart08]

Uh automatic weapons are already banned.

a thing I can get a permit to own is not "banned".

6 months and 10k later I can own a SAW.

 

[tigerworx]

I’ve had guns my whole life but something needs to change. No idea what the answer is.

The Answer to the question, most wouldn't like.

Hint: It has to do with Culture Change of Kindness, Love, Justice and Responsibility.
Oh, and throw in stable 2 parent families....and you know, like dinner around the table with the entire family there and TALKING to one another....not texting.
Sure as hell it's not another law people can break or Government assistance.

So many versions of what could be, but only one answer.
The above are simply symptoms that the change would be taking place.
Sorta going back to the future.


Keep praying. We ain't gettin outa here alive.

And, its' only gonna get worse.

 

[mtct864]

So sad. Thoughts and prayers for the families involved. I truly can’t imagine.

I would think @johnhugh was a troll if I hadn’t met him in real life. What terrible takes at all times.

 

[TigerDentGuy]

Automatic weapons are banned for anyone without a tax stamp. Just like alcohol is banned for anyone under 21. Still causes way more deaths than guns. Auto, semi, single shot etc etc etc combined.

 

[iceheart08]

The Answer to the question, most wouldn't like.

Hint: It has to do with Culture Change of Kindness, Love, Justice and Responsibility.
Oh, and throw in stable 2 parent families....and you know, like dinner around the table with the entire family there and TALKING to one another....not texting.
Sure as hell it's not another law people can break or Government assistance.

So many versions of what could be, but only one answer.
The above are simply symptoms that the change would be taking place.
Sorta going back to the future.


Keep praying. We ain't gettin outa here alive.

And, its' only gonna get worse.

you think these senseless tragedies are happening because of single-parent families and texting? do you have ANY evidence of that at all? Vegas shooter? Single parent home? James Holmes? Single parent home?

 

[padtigers]

Good one. Why don’t you share what benefit they have? Because you can have one?

No. They are basically a 6 shot automatic gun. The automatic guns are not the issue. The huge capacity magazines are an issue IMHO. A normal automatic rifle holds 5 shots at a time before you have to reload.

 

[Watson to Renfrow]

I’ve had guns my whole life but something needs to change. No idea what the answer is.

Australia seems to be doing ok

 

[NotLarryWilliams]

a thing I can get a permit to own is not "banned".

6 months and 10k later I can own a SAW.

How many of these murders have been committed with an “automatic weapon”? How many of them have come from weapons that were manufactured before 1986?

 

[tigerworx]

you think these senseless tragedies are happening because of single-parent families and texting? do you have ANY evidence of that at all? Vegas shooter? Single parent home? James Holmes? Single parent home?

No.

And you exhibit much more intellect to not read the cryptic message more clearly.

We've lost our basic moral values in this country, in the name of progress, individual rights and mostly "what about ME!!!!??"

There is one moral Truth.
If everything is 'my truth' or 'how I see it"........this is what you get.

EDIT: "Your truth" and "My Truth" cannot exist side by side in a Society.
We can't BOTH be right.

 

[tigerworx]

Good luck prying mine, and many others, away. It’ll never happen.

.......haha

"cold dead fingers"

 

[CU_4734]

No. They are basically a 6 shot automatic gun. The automatic guns are not the issue. The huge capacity magazines are an issue IMHO. A normal automatic rifle holds 5 shots at a time before you have to reload.

I apologize if you weren’t being a smart ass but yeah that’s definitely something there shouldn’t be unless you’re in Iraq fighting crazies

 

[MacAttackTiger]

12,000 gun homicides the US. Out of a population of 330 million, hardly an epidemic.

45,000 suicides, 70,000 drug overdoses, 480,000 cigarette deaths, 300,000 due to obesity....those are epidemics.

But of course, there isnt a good narrative behind those deaths. Can't ban drugs that are already banned, or cigarettes or Mcdonalds

This is a false equivalence , I know it’s a go-to argument, but it’s flimsy at best.

 

[iceheart08]

How many of these murders have been committed with an “automatic weapon”? How many of them have come from weapons that were manufactured before 1986?

lol, are you for real gonna argue that folks should be able to carry automatic weapons? Im not worried about folks who went through a time-consuming process to own a VERY LARGE automatic weapon. I'm just stating a fact. they aren't "banned".

 

[Frog209]

People who commit suicide, die from obesity or smoking are pulling the trigger themselves.

The majority of the 12,000 people who die from gun homicides didn’t have a choice (excluding thugs and gangbangers etc)

Apples and oranges.

And the people who die at the hands of illegal immigrants would still be alive if we secured our border. However, the same people crying about gun laws want to do nothing about securing our border. It’s amazing that when 12,000 people die by guns, the answer is to confiscate. Yet when X number of people die from people who shouldn’t even be in this country, the answer is to open the borders even more.