If there were any ill effects from the vaccine you know damn well Trump would be given credit for it then.
OT: Should I get the COVID vaccine?
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This is kind if where I am.
we spent a week in NYC at Christmas in 2019 and it was packed.And I am pretty sure the COVID was there at the same time. Maybe it wasnt or maybe we were lucky enough to not get it while jammed in the crowds around rockefeller center and such.
my daughter got pretty sick in Late Jan 2020 for about 2 weeks. And all signs point to Flu or COVID looking back on it. Her volleyball team also all was sick at the same time.
I would not be shocked if my whole family tested positive for the antibodies. Or would have months ago.
i am wary of the fast rollout/development, the large differences of symptoms of COVID, the inconsistent guidance, the experts not truly following their own advice, the politicizing of it all.
I also am worried it is a serious illness and the what if someone I love gets seriously ill from it.
I will get vaccinated if given the opportunity. But right now life doesnt seem to change if you get vaccinated or not.
There is no 1-1.5% chance to die if you get covid. That is false.
If you already had covid, you do not need a vaccine for 6 months.
Great question. I guess the value isn't for the vast majority whose bodies fight the virus well, it's for that small percentage that the virus kicks their butts. By preventing the number of people who can spread the virus, we help those who are most vulnerable.
Its the same people who believe the men in stealthy black helicopters are coming for their guns.
We’ve also had to wade through the muck of misinformation that led to so many focusing solely on low mortality rates for non-elderly, not grasping or appreciating the incredibly serious short and long term effects / damage to so many different systems & organs that can occur in folks who “recover” (which just means that they didn’t die) from Covid.
Severe cases of the H1N1 flu also have long term effects. I am not saying not to take the vaccine but long term effects, virus variants etc will occur with COVID and the flu. I won't live in fear of covid-19 because of it.
But he accused the drug companies of withholding vaccine results until after the election.
Trump accuses FDA, Pfizer of withholding Covid vaccine news before polls
The US Food and Drug Administration "and the Democrats didn't want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later - As I've said all along!" Trump said
But he accused the drug companies of withholding vaccine results until after the election.
Trump accuses FDA, Pfizer of withholding Covid vaccine news before polls
The US Food and Drug Administration "and the Democrats didn't want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later - As I've said all along!" Trump saidwww.business-standard.com
Those two things do not have a relationship that you are comparing. It is true the data on the vaccines could have been published before the election. It is true any negative effects would be placed on Trump had they occurred.
You should definitely get it. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 95% effective at keeping you from getting the virus, and if you do get it, symptoms will be mild. The only reason they’re not saying that it prevents the spread of the virus is that they’re still testing that facet.
You only still have to wear a mask because not enough people are vaccinated yet, and there is still a significant amount of virus spreading (which may also be a function of there not being enough people vaccinated). Once enough people are vaccinated, there won’t be a need for mask mandates.
Dying from the virus isn't the only outcome. What about all of the unknown long term health issues from being infected with covid ? Only time will tell the long term ravages this virus will inflict upon the human body.
I have no problem with your post and it should be a choice for anyone to get the vaccine.
Just to correct a few things:
1) There is plenty of evidence to show the vaccine DOES prevent you from getting covid. Overwhelming evidence.
2) mrna technology has been used in vaccines before (zika, rabies, cmv, influenza). None are FDA approved and none have gone through Phase 3 testing.
A lot of conservatives believe it infringes upon their personal freedom to contract and spread disease.
My professional life has been spent in computational biology. I do "have proof", and that proof is freely and readily available to anyone.
There is material all over the internet to read on the advantages of getting the vaccine! Some people on here need to look it up and read about it, I can't understand why anyone would not want to get itl (That is how we got rid of polio by the way !!) Over 500,000 people have died. How can you not want it??
Yes. Excellent protection from getting the virus, and very good data that even if you still get it yours will be a very mild case, even with the new variants. The chance of hospitalization or death goes to near-zero from what I have seen. Also, the more people who get it, the quicker the masks and other restrictions for everyone go away. I’ll certainly be getting it as soon as they’ll let me.
There aren’t really any common individual considerations to make, though, especially when governments are already making so many decisions for us because of vulnerability to the virus. Taking a vaccine isn’t risky at all, while not taking the vaccine is much more risky, plus once enough people get vaccinated, we won’t need to take all these harsh public health measures. That’s all there really is to it.
I’m 70 so I’m getting it. Basically it’s questionable why healthy young adults would get a vaccine to protect against a virus that has a 0.1% morality rate; especially when the long term affects of that vaccine are unknown.
I knew they were bad long before Trump.
A couple reasons: to stop the spread of the virus to more vulnerable people, and while doing that help to end the pandemic; because the .1% mortality rate for young heathy people (it’s higher for the general population) is still higher than the mortality rate for vaccinated people, and the rate of serious illness is much higher than .1% for all age groups.
He deserves a lot of blame for what wrong in the US with Covid, and for acting like it was a talking point instead of a public health emergency, but he deserves little credit and no blame for anything that went on in the labs.
Not really ... more inaccuracies from CDC.
https://www.healthline.com/health-n...atural-immunity-works-after-COVID-19-develops
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6529/eabf4063
I'm not advocating for people not to get it, but there is a lot of "unknown" about the vaccine. mrna vaccines are new and to my knowledge this is the first one that has been FDA approved for humans. There is zero long term data on the safety of any mrna vaccine. I'm not questioning the advantages of getting it. It's a no brainer for those who are high risk or have frequent close contact with others who are high risk and can not take the vaccine for some reason. Having said that, I don't really understand people who pretend it's not possible there could be long term risks we do not know about with the vaccine.
I’d do research on it and then make a decision if it’s a good fit for you.
I'm not concerned about any specific long term risk. My point was that no one knows what long term risk there may be. Not only are they new vaccines, but they are a new type of vaccine that has never been approved before(several have been denied approval, though). I'm not saying I will not get the vaccine. Just that I think it is completely reasonable for otherwise heathy people who have a very small risk of covid problems to question whether or not they want to take an unnecessary risk since there is no long term data on any type of mrna vaccine, much less on these specifically.
We won't considering that historically, vaccines that have caused side effects happened right away, not years down the road.
Of course you should, and yes the vaccine helps keep you from getting it. And yes, if you do happen to get it you won't have a bad reaction....most likely you won't have any symptoms at all.
The people who won't get the vaccine are paranoid conspiracy theorists.
And now the thread is complete. Sweet baby ray....
There is ZERO data on long term, or even intermediate term, risks not only of this vaccine, but of any mrna vaccine. There have been multiple mrna vaccines denied approval. This is the first one that has ever been approved for human use - mainly because it is newer medical technology/science. I'm not saying I expect there are going to be negative long term side effects, but you completely dismissing the possibility is moronic.
@saber8689 said they've been working on and testing mrna vaccines for 10-15 years now.....you can pretty safely assume that there won't be any long term side effects, but yea not with 100% certainty. But IMO the probability is so low that that it's not worth worrying about.
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