So your complete trust in this vaccine is based on one post from one person you don't know on a message board? You sound really smart. It is my understanding they have certainly been working on mrna vaccines for several years- maybe even 10-15. However, I don't know of any long term study of these vaccines(or any mrna vaccines) in humans. Let me know if you have seen one. Most vaccines have been around for decades and If we were talking about the polio vaccine or something similar I would agree that you probably have to be wearing a tin foil hat to question it's safety. The fact of the matter is I just don't think it is true that we have done any long term studies on humans and mrna vaccines. I know we have not done them on theses vaccines.
OT: Should I get the COVID vaccine?
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I trust him because I know who he is and he's a doctor.
Okay, well ask him to show you a long term study on humans of any mrna vaccine. It should really be on these specific vaccines to be meaningful, but we KNOW those don't exist. I am just not aware of any long term human trials/studies for any mrna vaccines. I could very well be wrong. I hope I am wrong, I have just not seen any.
Statistically my chances of dying last I checked even from Rona are only .003%, that’s close enough to zero for me.
All I will continue to say is from my Pool of 20+ doctors, surgeons, etc from the country club, physicians are almost split down the middle, and high level surgeons are in the NO category. Therapeutics are available and work if you do get sick.
I do feel for those of you who are scared or feel like your standard of living will improve should go ahead and take the vaccine so you can ditch the masks.
For the ugly people out there, the masks absolutely work, you should not feel upset about having to wear them, it truly protects our eyes from ocular cancer. If you have any doubts when looking in the mirror, continue to wear the mask please.
1) The FDA has not approved any mrna vaccine before. Pfizer and Moderna were granted EUA which is different than approval.
2) The FDA has never denied approval for any mrna vaccine. If I'm wrong about this, let me know. I have not seen any mrna vaccine even submitted to the FDA for approval.
3) we have safety data from other mrna vaccines administered in humans as far back as 2011.
4) As someone else asked, what long term side effects are you worried about? Just saying long term effects is vague. It also seems like the long term effects would have to be serious for them to matter.
If the long term effect was, say, that you had to urinate 1x more a day, would that deter you from getting the vaccine?
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Have these trials been peer reviewed and are they 100% able to replicate the process used in the trial? Last I checked this is how you verify science works.
On the other hand, we now have over a year of Rona data and people who have verified the efficacy of therapeutics after the media bias subsided.
Trials are a great first step but prove nothing until they are replicated by others and same results are shown over and over. Do you have a link to the data for the trial or is this like an unnamed media source? I would certainly be interested in following the trial, perhaps in time I might change my opinion.
I missed these chains. It depends really on what you mean by "long term" data.
Phase 1 trials on vaccines focus on safety and administer the vaccine to a small number of humans (<20).
Phase 2 focuses mainly on safety and some on efficacy and is administered in a few hundred patients.
Phase 3 is around 30,000 people on mainly efficacy and also follows safety.
Phase 4 continues after approval and continues to follow safety and efficacy for years in the general public.
It's a continuous process and never really stops. There have been phase 1 and some phase 2 trials in mrna vaccines since 2011. None have been halted because of safety, but none have progressed past phase 2 (yet) because of efficacy. All the mrna vaccine candidates have been safe so far. The covid vaccines are the first to claim efficacy.
So if you consider long term data phase 4 results (which is reasonable), then there is none for an mrna vaccine and wont be any for years.
We hope it is the answer. But there are very smart people who are concerned about the long term consequences of the vaccine. It is an agonizing decision for many, especially those young enough to have children in the future.
I am happy to start accepting your opinion when you provide this actual evidence, a report, a peer reviewed medical journal. Your own research?! As of right now you speak as if factual although all we know is you’re a physician and physicians do not agree on the Covid vaccines, almost a 50/50 split I would say, so I’ll trust the doctors I know vs. the ones who make claims on message boards.
Tell that to all the kids who have Herpes now and save the conservative vs liberal talk for somewhere else. Conservatives are getting the vaccine, the point is with abortion it’s apparently a choice but with vaccines now it’s not a choice?
A choice is frankly all we have left for ourselves.
What if you wake up and get run off the highway by an 18 wheeler? What about stop allowing these labs to play with deadly viruses? This was a variant created by man, manufactured death, why can’t we all unify to stop these practices, seems less partisan than who knows “science” better.
I got my vaccine and had mild side effects.
After a year of this virus, it continues to dominate our lives. Yet we have several highly effective and safe vaccines. People against the vaccine will say “maybe you can still be a carrier”. That’s true of nearly all vaccines, which is why herd immunity is so important.
After a year of masks, lockdowns, ridiculous policies, stimulus packages, etc, we continue to be divided by the virus. we aren’t allowed to travel or see family, we have to wear masks in public, and lifelong businesses are being shut down by lockdown policies. I wish we could change the media narrative and the mindset of fear, but we can’t. The vaccine may be the only way to end all this. That’s why I got my vaccine.
After a year of this virus, it continues to dominate our lives. Yet we have several highly effective and safe vaccines. People against the vaccine will say “maybe you can still be a carrier”. That’s true of nearly all vaccines, which is why herd immunity is so important.
After a year of masks, lockdowns, ridiculous policies, stimulus packages, etc, we continue to be divided by the virus. we aren’t allowed to travel or see family, we have to wear masks in public, and lifelong businesses are being shut down by lockdown policies. I wish we could change the media narrative and the mindset of fear, but we can’t. The vaccine may be the only way to end all this. That’s why I got my vaccine.
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I don't know if you can just say people who don't get it are paranoid conspiracy theorists.
I havent gotten a Flu Vaccine since 2017 and know a lot of people that just choose not to get them.
But I am sure there are a lot that fall into that category.
Just because your group of doctors are split down the middle doesn’t mean that’s the norm. The vast majority of doctors have taken the vaccine and are all for it.
The ones that haven’t are probably tin foil conspiracy theorists like you.
But we aren’t talking about the flu vaccine here. They are completely different from an efficacy standpoint.
This actually makes me a little more concerned with getting it.
How can there be any long term impact data for this vaccine, where the virus is just over a year old? And then this one is somehow the very first one to be approved in about 10 years? And the first one of a new medical technology?
Why were previous mrna vaccines denied approval?
I think you are onto something.
He's not even worth the reply at this point. Everyone on the board knows he is either a massive troll or completely out of touch with reality. No real discourse will be had.
To be fair to you, there have been numerous posts from informed people about why the vaccine is safe and should be taken.
But now you see someone post a concern about vague "long term" effects that has no data or science to back the concern. And you are convinced you should be worried. Seems as though to me, you already had your mind made well before starting this thread. You were just looking for confirmation.
mind is definitely not made up. I truly believe I will probably get the vaccine at some point. I started this because I figured I would get a wide opinion and many posters on here do lots of research on this and some are even in the know more based on their occupations.
I have seen all of the other posts and just not specifically responded. Mostly due to time.
I have encouraged my parents to get the vaccines, and they have. But am just a little more concerned for some of the younger <50 years old or so demographics. There are not many places we can get the wide range of responses as we can get on TI. I definitely do not rely solely on biased media, and I believe all media is biased.
Take the vaccine. Don't take the vaccine. Idgaf.
I will take it and so will the wife. The kids will not, even if offered inside a few years.
I don't expect you guys to care, and I am so tired of watching these same type pissing matches over the same damn subject for the last year.
I will take it and so will the wife. The kids will not, even if offered inside a few years.
I don't expect you guys to care, and I am so tired of watching these same type pissing matches over the same damn subject for the last year.
I posted about this if you scroll up.
The covid mrna vaccines are NOT approved by the FDA. They were given emergency EUA, which is very different.
I'm not aware of any mrna vaccine being "denied" approval. Previous mrna vaccines haven't yet shown efficacy, so their progression through the phases of study have been slower. Like I stated before, the safety of mrna vaccines haven't yet been a concern.
The covid mrna vaccines have shown excellent efficacy and have so far been extremely safe.
John, too much fact in your post. You forgot to mention the tracking chip that the government is inserting in each dose. My neighbor actually believes this. Sigh....
The vaccine isn't exactly the new kid on the block. It has been under development for 18 years. A lot of people seem to think that it was developed when Covid appeared. It is true that it has not been used before. Based on
the science of the vaccine and my understanding of that science, the vaccine is incredibly safe. I certainly cannot see into the future. Maybe 10 years from now most of the people in the world will go outside on nights with a full moon and howl for a couple of hours. I do know for a fact that a previously healthy individual that dies from Covid endures a miserable death. Suffocating for 2-3 weeks is not my idea of how I want to check out.
Yes. I personally think you should get the vaccine.
It improves your chance of not getting COVID-19.
If you get COVID-19 the chance for significant symptoms is VERY low.
Chance of spreading COVID is decreased if your chance of getting COVID-19 is decreased.
As our population gets vaccinated, restrictions will start to ease.
I respect anyone's decision not to get the vaccine even if I don't agree with their reasoning at times.
I've certainly encouraged all my family, friends, and patients to get vaccinated when their opportunity comes.
Good luck!
Go Tigers.
Just to be clear, I do not know of any study or data that claims the vaccines are unsafe. It is just a relatively new type of vaccine, the fist of which that have been approved. Thus there has been no opportunity for long term(years) studies of possible side effects. The only reason I posted is that some like @TheValley91 were suggesting there was no reason anyone should be questioning the vaccines and that they were unequivocally safe when they have ZERO evidence to support their position. Hopefully, the long term studies from these vaccines will produce data to PROVE there are no long term side effects. Asking questions is a good thing. Don't let ignorant uninformed people making claims there is simply no data to support dissuade you from asking questions. The article below is older, but has a pretty complete history of the path the vaccines have taken to this point. Full disclosure, it is the only article I have ever read from that news source. Just one that popped up from random internet searches about the vaccines.
The story of mRNA: How a once-dismissed idea became a leading technology in the Covid vaccine race
The story of mRNA began is a tale of personal perseverance, eureka moments in the lab, soaring expectations — and an unprecedented flow of cash in biotech.
www.statnews.com
Like I have stated before, I think it is a no brainer for many people to get he vaccine. I was just pointing out he fact that there have been no long term(years) studies of this or any other mrna vaccine because theses are the first ones ever approved. Your bolded statement is the only thing I was pointing out. No one can see into the future. There ARE some unknown aspects about the vaccines. In no way do i mean to imply I expect there to be negative long term effects from the virus. We just simply do not know because the data does not exist at this point.
If you think physicians are 50/50 on taking the vaccine you need to increase your sample size. This is just one more untruth spread by you.
I said at my country club, why would I need to spread untruths. I don’t care if other people make the decision to vaccinate but the people pushing vaccines in this case as doing so with little information, no different than Fauci. Get it or don’t, I’m over trying to offer other perspectives for debate. The numbers of people I personally know that are doctors/surgeons is close to 50/50. Surgeons have no agenda and seem to be more honest.
I wouldn’t say conspiracy but we are all affluent in our businesses and don’t all agree. There are some who have taken the vaccine and some who refuse, because of this if anyone is in limbo on a decision I wouldn’t rush to get the vaccine. Wait and see is a better approach and if someone forces you to do it for a job, I’d seriously consider finding another job.
Honest to the core, I can appreciate that, I’ll be healthy and I’ve already had Covid. I’ll let my body do what it does.
Well put. I have done my homework and will get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine when available in my area. One of the "expert virologists" has come out and said there is no evidence linking cases of shingles with the Moderna vaccine. My mother-in-law and two of her friends all got shingles after the vaccine. In my mother-in-law's case, she had chicken pox and no vaccine for shingles. I am not suggesting there is a connection, but the statistics of three people of mutual aquaintance all getting the shingles is enough for my decision. Someone coming out and declaring there is no connection raises a red flag to me. If there were no other options, I would take an RNA vaccine (I had chickenpox and the vaccine for shingles). My long term horizon isn't long enough to worry about long term side effects. I don't want my son to take the RNA vaccine (any potential to impact a grandchild is too high for me).
LOL the quicker enough people get vaccinated the quicker the pandemic ends.
Stick to spreading Q type rumors. Is the Pope still being held prisoner?
I'm going to need some proof for this BS claim.
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Yes take it, me and the wife got our first shot yesterday and we are healthy and in our forties. The more people that take it, the faster we get back to full stadiums, concerts, etc.
For those conspiracy theory folks posting in this thread, trump took the vaccine in January, if that affects your decision at all.
The question here is how many failures have their been for mrna vaccines? Pharma is risk averse in pushing new tech because trials are extremely costly. Warp Speed changed the equation. New doesn't equal dangerous. Look up the history for yourself.
What long term side effects are you worried about? How do they compare to the long term side effects of getting Covid?
You're either going to get covid or the vaccine eventually. How many people have died from the vaccination? Additionally, it's likely the immunity from the vaccine is better and more durable.
IMO, there is no rational reason to not get the vaccine. Irrational, yes. I'm getting my second next week. I look forward to zero chance of dying from Covid.
So exactly how do you get shingles from a covid vaccine shot? Perhaps they actual got shingles??
Warp speed and all.
Covid-19 Vaccines Can’t Alter Your DNA, Here’s Why
A common myth circulating on social media sites falsely claims that the mRNA vaccines against the Covid-19 coronavirus can change DNA.
www.forbes.com
Thanks pal, I’ll use my brain though that y’all think is challenged, yet made me a bunch of $$$
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