There are very real doubts within the US weapons complex about Russia’s ability to deploy a substantial portion of their nuclear arsenal. I’ll leave it at that.
Ukraine War
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After watching their fairly shit military with archaic tactics, I would be very surprised if their nuclear weapons functioned well.
As mentioned before, this is a war they can't win without foreign nation boots on the ground.
We’re still in the grand maneuvers stage of this conflict. The fact that it’s been 17 months and Russia has yet to really decisively win anything outside of Mariupol last summer is evidence to me that Ukraine can in fact win this. Less than 2 years in and Russia has lost more manpower and materiel than they did in the entirety of the Afghan conflict that essentially toppled the USSR and Ukraine has yet to enter any sort of real insurgency stage, something the Russian military is decidedly less equipped to handle. Russia’s military doctrine remains to level as many building as possible with artillery and throw troops at enemy trenches until enough are killed that they can figure out where the counter fire is coming from. Unfortunately for Russia, they’re running out of both shells and bodies.
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Yep, they don't need to take Moscow. The objective is to make Russia's position untenable.
Lets stop this cluster in Ukraine. America should be facilitating peace talks instead of trying to kick a lame horse.
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Destroyed Leo II tanks and Bradleys in Ukraine
The much-ballyhooed Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In Vilnius, Volodymyr Zelensky had to realize the Ukraine will not be joining NATO anytime soon. Vladimir Putin has called the Biden administration’s bluff, who set the deadly escalation in motion with their November 2021 “U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership”.
It is now time for Jill Biden to get Old Joe a blanket, sit him down by his vintage Victrola radio, and tune it to a country music station playing Kenny Rogers: “You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em…”
It is now time to fold ‘em, Joe. – for the sake of every Ukrainian mother who has sons.
Commentary by Sven von Storch
While Western media have been hiding the truth about the disastrous Ukrainian counter-offensive from us for a month, Russian defense minister Sergey Shoigu spelled out the horrific numbers Monday: “The armed forces of Ukraine lost over 26,000 servicemen and more than 3,000 items of military hardware during their so-called counter-offensive,” Shoigu told reporters, including 17 German Leopard tanks and 12 US Bradleys. Videos of burned-out Western tanks abound on the internet – and now Putin wants to tow their charred remains outside the Western embassies in Moscow.
The only hope to break through the massive Russian defences is apparently to supply banned cluster munitions to Ukraine, whose use Biden spokeswoman Jen Psaki called a “war crime” on Feb. 28, 2022.
On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov once again stressed his desire to hold peace talks, and “search for ways to settle the Ukrainian crisis peacefully,” TASS reports. Kiev and Moscow were already close to a cease-fire in April 2022, according to former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, before it was torpedoed by Boris Johnson, presumably at the behest of the Biden White House. Since then, about 80.000 Russians and up to 350.000 Ukrainians have lost their lives.
At the NATO Summit in Vilnius, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán called for immediate peace talks, to “bring peace to Ukraine instead of weapons.” In the United States, more and more Americans are skeptical of what exactly the USA is doing spending $113 billion on a corrupt regime in Kiev, that embezzles hundreds of millions of dollars, bans the opposition and cancels elections, all in the name of “defending democracy”.
In May, Senator Lindsey Graham visited Zelensky and allegedly called “Russians dying” the “best money we’ve ever spent.” Graham seemed to give the green light for Zelensky to hurl his remaining 80.000 or so combat troops at the iron maw of the Russian defenses – in vain.
None of these war hawks can tell us what the strategic goal is, however. Is it conquering Crimea, ethnically cleansing the Donbass, degrading the Russian Army, or regime change in Moscow (since that worked so well in Libya and Iraq)? One may assume there are reasons that Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan don’t want to get into too many details about their goals.
Failing mentally, Joe Biden has to worry about election year challenges from two prominent pro-peace candidates, who both claim they could end Biden’s proxy war within 24 hours: Donald Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The charismatic challenger within Biden’s own party is not only heir to the most famous political name in US history, a recent poll by The Economist shows Kennedy is the only candidate who more people rate favorably than unfavorably (by +19%!), across party lines. While the media pull out all the stops to smear him, Kennedy’s poll numbers show he may have a real shot at overcoming the bitter divide pitting Left against Right in the USA. And Donald Trump is cheered by thousands everywhere he goes, despite all the mud slung at him by media and a very obviously weaponized justice system.
Trump’s and Kennedy’s pro-peace messages obviously resonate with Americans more than CNN and The New York Times will admit. Maybe Biden’s handlers will realize they need to be proactive and end the increasingly unpopular, expensive and pointless war now.
It is now time for peace talks between Kiev, Washington and Moscow. The right-wing
Alternative for Germany (AfD) party is often chided for allegedly being “pro-Putin“ because it has a sizeable number of East German members, and emigres from the former Soviet Union (many of them Jews who fled Islamic Ex-Soviet Republics to Germany) who have a better understanding of the Russian interests and mindset.
No matter what you think of the AfD – they drafted a peace plan for Ukraine in February, which makes impeccable sense:
The Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. All that comes now is more senseless sacrifice of young men’s lives.
Biden, Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan overplayed their hand in November 2021 by inviting Ukraine to join NATO.
For better or worse, Vladimir Putin has called their bluff. They have no aces left.
It’s time to count our money and go home.
So the young men of Ukraine can go home, too.
Alive.
Sven von Storch is chair of the Civil Alliance in Berlin and a close ally of Steve Bannon.
Sven von Storch: Putin Has Called Joe Biden’s Bluff - It's Time to Negotiate | The Gateway Pundit | by Richard Abelson | 123
The much-ballyhooed Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed.
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Sven von Storch: Putin Has Called Joe Biden’s Bluff – It’s Time to Negotiate
By Richard Abelson Jul. 13, 2023 3:45 pm
The much-ballyhooed Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In Vilnius, Volodymyr Zelensky had to realize the Ukraine will not be joining NATO anytime soon. Vladimir Putin has called the Biden administration’s bluff, who set the deadly escalation in motion with their November 2021 “U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership”.
It is now time for Jill Biden to get Old Joe a blanket, sit him down by his vintage Victrola radio, and tune it to a country music station playing Kenny Rogers: “You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em…”
It is now time to fold ‘em, Joe. – for the sake of every Ukrainian mother who has sons.
Commentary by Sven von Storch
While Western media have been hiding the truth about the disastrous Ukrainian counter-offensive from us for a month, Russian defense minister Sergey Shoigu spelled out the horrific numbers Monday: “The armed forces of Ukraine lost over 26,000 servicemen and more than 3,000 items of military hardware during their so-called counter-offensive,” Shoigu told reporters, including 17 German Leopard tanks and 12 US Bradleys. Videos of burned-out Western tanks abound on the internet – and now Putin wants to tow their charred remains outside the Western embassies in Moscow.
The only hope to break through the massive Russian defences is apparently to supply banned cluster munitions to Ukraine, whose use Biden spokeswoman Jen Psaki called a “war crime” on Feb. 28, 2022.
On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov once again stressed his desire to hold peace talks, and “search for ways to settle the Ukrainian crisis peacefully,” TASS reports. Kiev and Moscow were already close to a cease-fire in April 2022, according to former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, before it was torpedoed by Boris Johnson, presumably at the behest of the Biden White House. Since then, about 80.000 Russians and up to 350.000 Ukrainians have lost their lives.
At the NATO Summit in Vilnius, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán called for immediate peace talks, to “bring peace to Ukraine instead of weapons.” In the United States, more and more Americans are skeptical of what exactly the USA is doing spending $113 billion on a corrupt regime in Kiev, that embezzles hundreds of millions of dollars, bans the opposition and cancels elections, all in the name of “defending democracy”.
In May, Senator Lindsey Graham visited Zelensky and allegedly called “Russians dying” the “best money we’ve ever spent.” Graham seemed to give the green light for Zelensky to hurl his remaining 80.000 or so combat troops at the iron maw of the Russian defenses – in vain.
None of these war hawks can tell us what the strategic goal is, however. Is it conquering Crimea, ethnically cleansing the Donbass, degrading the Russian Army, or regime change in Moscow (since that worked so well in Libya and Iraq)? One may assume there are reasons that Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan don’t want to get into too many details about their goals.
Failing mentally, Joe Biden has to worry about election year challenges from two prominent pro-peace candidates, who both claim they could end Biden’s proxy war within 24 hours: Donald Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The charismatic challenger within Biden’s own party is not only heir to the most famous political name in US history, a recent poll by The Economist shows Kennedy is the only candidate who more people rate favorably than unfavorably (by +19%!), across party lines. While the media pull out all the stops to smear him, Kennedy’s poll numbers show he may have a real shot at overcoming the bitter divide pitting Left against Right in the USA. And Donald Trump is cheered by thousands everywhere he goes, despite all the mud slung at him by media and a very obviously weaponized justice system.
Trump’s and Kennedy’s pro-peace messages obviously resonate with Americans more than CNN and The New York Times will admit. Maybe Biden’s handlers will realize they need to be proactive and end the increasingly unpopular, expensive and pointless war now.
It is now time for peace talks between Kiev, Washington and Moscow. The right-wing
Alternative for Germany (AfD) party is often chided for allegedly being “pro-Putin“ because it has a sizeable number of East German members, and emigres from the former Soviet Union (many of them Jews who fled Islamic Ex-Soviet Republics to Germany) who have a better understanding of the Russian interests and mindset.
No matter what you think of the AfD – they drafted a peace plan for Ukraine in February, which makes impeccable sense:
- Minimum 90 day ceasefire
- Troops retreat behind 30 km sanitary cordon
- OSCE monitors
- Humanitarian aid access
- UN peace keepers in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson
- Withdrawal of Russian forces behind the lines of Feb. 24, 2022
- Gradual drawdown of EU, UK and US military support for Ukraine
- Gradual lifting of sanctions against Russia
- OSCE referendum in disputed territories on whether to join Ukraine or Russia
- Privileged EU partnership for Ukraine
- No NATO or EU membership for Ukraine
- No nukes, rockets or foreign troops in Ukraine
The Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. All that comes now is more senseless sacrifice of young men’s lives.
Biden, Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan overplayed their hand in November 2021 by inviting Ukraine to join NATO.
For better or worse, Vladimir Putin has called their bluff. They have no aces left.
It’s time to count our money and go home.
So the young men of Ukraine can go home, too.
Alive.
Sven von Storch is chair of the Civil Alliance in Berlin and a close ally of Steve Bannon.
We have a clear differential in strategy here.
DONALD J TRUMP – “Joe Biden should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine—he should be trying to END the war and stop the horrific death and destruction being caused by an incompetent administration. These unexploded cluster munitions will be killing and maiming innocent Ukrainian men, women, and children for decades to come, long after the war—we pray—has ended.
President Trump Denounces Biden Decision to Send Cluster Bomb Munitions to Ukraine
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...on-to-send-cluster-bomb-munitions-to-ukraine/DONALD J TRUMP – “Joe Biden should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine—he should be trying to END the war and stop the horrific death and destruction being caused by an incompetent administration. These unexploded cluster munitions will be killing and maiming innocent Ukrainian men, women, and children for decades to come, long after the war—we pray—has ended.
Makes sense. They do not want an audit to find all the money being stolen from US taxpayers.
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White House Looks To Prevent Oversight Of Ukraine Aid
White House Looks To Prevent Oversight Of Ukraine Aid | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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But I thought Republicans believed in peace through military strength and power.
Trump is pissed that the NATO Alliance was strengthened this week in Lithuania and that Ukraine now has a definite path to membership as soon as the war is over.
Oh yeah, and Senate Republicans and Democrats are re-introducing a bill to require Congressional approval to ever leave NATO.
Putin probably called The Donald crying about his horrific week. Imagine believing and voting for someone that wants to undermine the organization that was born out of WWII and has effectively kept peace in Europe for 75 years.
IS BIDEN PREPARING TO TAKE THE U.S. TO WAR AGAINST RUSSIA?
IS BIDEN PREPARING TO TAKE THE U.S. TO WAR AGAINST RUSSIA? | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson
This is disturbing and alarming — Biden issued an order activating up to 3000 Ready Reserve and Select Reserve military personnel and sending them to Europe for potential combat with Russia.
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IS BIDEN PREPARING TO TAKE THE U.S. TO WAR AGAINST RUSSIA?
IS BIDEN PREPARING TO TAKE THE U.S. TO WAR AGAINST RUSSIA? | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson
This is disturbing and alarming — Biden issued an order activating up to 3000 Ready Reserve and Select Reserve military personnel and sending them to Europe for potential combat with Russia.
You really need to quit reading this drivel. They are literally Spreading Russia Disinformation. You continue to believe that Russia is some great military power, while all evidence points to the contrary. This war in Ukraine has absolutely been horrible for Russia as it has shown the entire world how unprepared and frankly old their military is. Russia has performed so badly, that even china is being much less supportive publicly. They don't want to be tied to such an obviously weak country.
Russia has massive land, Oil and......not much else
Turkey has also distanced themselves and just approved admitting Sweden to NATO. As Joe said yesterday, Putin has already lost.
This whole thing has backfired massively for Putin. I honestly think he expected the US to just stay out of it, and let it happen. What instead happened was the US and Europe actually learned lessons from WW2 and knew appeasement was disastrous. I also suspect we knew how poorly the Russian military would perform.
True and it's too late to turn back now - we have to finish the job against these beasts.
Important stuff here.
Ret. Col. Douglas Macgregor: "The people in the White House continue to make ridiculous demands. You're telling Mr. Putin that he effectively has to bow down and beg forgiveness for having ever violated the sacrosanct boundaries of Ukraine, which have changed over the last 300 years multiple times, and then he's supposed to effectively commit suicide and take himself out of office and turn Russia's resources over to the West... There is a minority, a very powerful elite in the West, that views Russia, on the one hand, as a threat because it is a national state. It is rooted in Orthodox Christianity and a Russian ethnic national identity. It has been the plan of the so called globalist elites, people like Soros and Schwab and others, to effectively erase the identities of the European peoples and to flood them with people from North Africa, the Middle East and Africa. This is something that Putin has resisted and most Europeans in the east dislike and will not participate in. So I think Soros back in the 90s, along with many of his comrades, decided, we've got to destroy Russia. We've got to fight Russia and beat it into submission so that we can do to Russia what is now being done to Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands."
Ret. Col. Douglas Macgregor: "The people in the White House continue to make ridiculous demands. You're telling Mr. Putin that he effectively has to bow down and beg forgiveness for having ever violated the sacrosanct boundaries of Ukraine, which have changed over the last 300 years multiple times, and then he's supposed to effectively commit suicide and take himself out of office and turn Russia's resources over to the West... There is a minority, a very powerful elite in the West, that views Russia, on the one hand, as a threat because it is a national state. It is rooted in Orthodox Christianity and a Russian ethnic national identity. It has been the plan of the so called globalist elites, people like Soros and Schwab and others, to effectively erase the identities of the European peoples and to flood them with people from North Africa, the Middle East and Africa. This is something that Putin has resisted and most Europeans in the east dislike and will not participate in. So I think Soros back in the 90s, along with many of his comrades, decided, we've got to destroy Russia. We've got to fight Russia and beat it into submission so that we can do to Russia what is now being done to Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands."
Honestly question, If they have the capability to "ramp up" why wouldn't they have done if before now?
I think they want the territory but can and will ramp it up if more Russian soldiers start getting killed.
This is getting sticky with 3K US troops in Poland. I think NATO is trying to engineer a provocation in order justify getting fully involved directly. I see an engineered event being set up. This is not good. No reason for the US National Guard to be in Poland.
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Putin Issues Stark Warning To Poland And NATO
Putin Issues Stark Warning To Poland And NATO | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson | 112
Putin held a video conference on Thursday with members of Russia’s Security Council.
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That is about the dumbest strategy ever. If you have the capability to win a war, you do it, you don't let it go on for years just cause....
Why are you pulling for Russia? Seems odd for an American.
I am just living in reality bozo.
Ukraine’s counter-offensive is failing, with no easy fixes
Kyiv complains that it doesn’t have air power, but that is not the real source of its recent struggles
Ukraine’s counter-offensive is failing, with no easy fixes
Kyiv complains that it doesn’t have air power, but that is not the real source of its recent struggles
www.telegraph.co.uk
"We have to finish the job".......who exactly is we? You on the ground in Ukraine?
you mean vaginitis?
Don't lobby for wars you aren't willing to fight. Life lesson for you.
62% of Americans feel the same way I do and most of those aren't in the military. Does that mean they shouldn't voice their support for Ukraine?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/508037/americans-support-ukraine-war-effort.aspx
There is a difference in supporting the people of Ukraine who are living through the war and supporting the war in Ukraine. If you support the war, you should be willing to fight in it. It's really and truly that simple.
You support Russia but I don't see your ass on the ground in Donetsk, so what's the difference?
Hmmm, strange comment to make given only one of us put his ass on foreign ground for multiple conflicts while you stayed at home learning how to wage war on America.
You're the worst kind of person. You encourage sending someone else's children to fight wars that you're too much of a p*ssy to do yourself. Man up dickfeeler and go pick up a weapon. Ukraine are looking for volunteers.
Straight from DOD OIG.........no way of tracking where the weapons we are sending the Ukraine are going. I hope Ukraine has some strong gun control laws for citizens. Imagine rolling through Chicago and the gang bangers have grenade launchers. Lolz
