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Ukraine War

The military aspect is fascinating to me. We’ve now watched Russia wage war for over a year. The gap between them and the USA is wayyyy bigger than anyone thought. We could defeat them in weeks if we wanted to and would have air superiority within days.
You guys do not understand military strategy and projection of power. There is no way in hell we or any nation could take Russia out in a few weeks. They have lots of stuff they can shoot from the ground to take our aircraft down if they wanted to even if our aircraft are better. and they are entrenched on their border. Have any of you not learned how hard it is to take any nation out on their own turf?

You guys are saying Russia is weak while at the same time saying they will then go and attack the rest of Europe after finishing Ukraine. This is not logical and makes no sense to say.

We would have to declare full scale war, mass our own troops and equipment over a number of months if not longer before even thinking about going after Russia. They also just popped a nuclear loaded sub up off our coast and let it be spotted a week or two ago. They could hit us right here in the US and do it in a way that people are not even dreaming of. They could incinerate NY that fast.

You guys want to declare war while Biden is simultaneously flushing our military preparedness, morale, and fignting spirit down the drain from where it needs to be with woke policies that are driving some of our best and brightest to retire or just leave.

In spite of all the western rendition of whats occurring that you guys are swallowing hook line and sinker, Russia has taken and is occupying thousands of square miles of Ukraine territory and are fortifying at this time in addition to continuing to move forward and gain more ground. They are paying a price for it of course.

War is no good for anyone and this fight is not a vital US national security interest no matter what anyone says.

I am not a Putin supporter. I am red white and blue patriotic American but I do not see any sanity involved in whats going on.
 
No matter the nationality there are probably already over a million people dead. This is not worth it just to gauge equipment and thats not the reason the US is involved and we all know that. They want to take Putin out and hopefully install a pro western person thats in their pocket.

And I'm trying to figure out what's bad about this for us?

Don't forget, your boy Putin is the guy who is causing all of these deaths.
 
You guys do not understand military strategy and projection of power. There is no way in hell we or any nation could take Russia out in a few weeks. They have lots of stuff they can shoot from the ground to take our aircraft down if they wanted to even if our aircraft are better. and they are entrenched on their border. Have any of you not learned how hard it is to take any nation out on their own turf?

You guys are saying Russia is weak while at the same time saying they will then go and attack the rest of Europe after finishing Ukraine. This is not logical and makes no sense to say.

We would have to declare full scale war, mass our own troops and equipment over a number of months if not longer before even thinking about going after Russia. They also just popped a nuclear loaded sub up off our coast and let it be spotted a week or two ago. They could hit us right here in the US and do it in a way that people are not even dreaming of. They could incinerate NY that fast.

You guys want to declare war while Biden is simultaneously flushing our military preparedness, morale, and fignting spirit down the drain from where it needs to be with woke policies that are driving some of our best and brightest to retire or just leave.

In spite of all the western rendition of whats occurring that you guys are swallowing hook line and sinker, Russia has taken and is occupying thousands of square miles of Ukraine territory and are fortifying at this time in addition to continuing to move forward and gain more ground. They are paying a price for it of course.

War is no good for anyone and this fight is not a vital US national security interest no matter what anyone says.

I am not a Putin supporter. I am red white and blue patriotic American but I do not see any sanity involved in whats going on.

So you think we should just sit back, and let Russia take over Europe? Again,what you suggest is WW2 all over again.
 
No matter the nationality there are probably already over a million people dead. This is not worth it just to gauge equipment and thats not the reason the US is involved and we all know that. They want to take Putin out and hopefully install a pro western person thats in their pocket.
Tell that to the Ukranians. If Russia invaded the US, I sure as hell wouldn't quit fighting until I was either dead or they left.

Putin is trying to form 'The Great Evil Empire' that we were all worried about in the 80s. He won't do it because he can't - not enough money, not enough military, not enough anything - but he will try.

Taking Putin out probably won't happen but it would be a great thing.

Actually causing Russia to cease to exist would be a great thing. They did one good thing militarily in their history - stopped Hitler's war machine - and they had a LOT of help from Hitler's stupidity and the Russian Winter.

Which, unlike Russia's military, is legit.
 
Tell that to the Ukranians. If Russia invaded the US, I sure as hell wouldn't quit fighting until I was either dead or they left.

Putin is trying to form 'The Great Evil Empire' that we were all worried about in the 80s. He won't do it because he can't - not enough money, not enough military, not enough anything - but he will try.

Taking Putin out probably won't happen but it would be a great thing.

Actually causing Russia to cease to exist would be a great thing. They did one good thing militarily in their history - stopped Hitler's war machine - and they had a LOT of help from Hitler's stupidity and the Russian Winter.

Which, unlike Russia's military, is legit.
I am not telling Ukrainians anything. It's their nation but this would be over already without US help.
 
You guys do not understand military strategy and projection of power. There is no way in hell we or any nation could take Russia out in a few weeks. They have lots of stuff they can shoot from the ground to take our aircraft down if they wanted to even if our aircraft are better. and they are entrenched on their border. Have any of you not learned how hard it is to take any nation out on their own turf?

You guys are saying Russia is weak while at the same time saying they will then go and attack the rest of Europe after finishing Ukraine. This is not logical and makes no sense to say.

We would have to declare full scale war, mass our own troops and equipment over a number of months if not longer before even thinking about going after Russia. They also just popped a nuclear loaded sub up off our coast and let it be spotted a week or two ago. They could hit us right here in the US and do it in a way that people are not even dreaming of. They could incinerate NY that fast.

You guys want to declare war while Biden is simultaneously flushing our military preparedness, morale, and fignting spirit down the drain from where it needs to be with woke policies that are driving some of our best and brightest to retire or just leave.

In spite of all the western rendition of whats occurring that you guys are swallowing hook line and sinker, Russia has taken and is occupying thousands of square miles of Ukraine territory and are fortifying at this time in addition to continuing to move forward and gain more ground. They are paying a price for it of course.

War is no good for anyone and this fight is not a vital US national security interest no matter what anyone says.

I am not a Putin supporter. I am red white and blue patriotic American but I do not see any sanity involved in whats going on.
You are twisting words to fit what you want to think. Just because Trump got chummy with Russia - which made some sense at the time - doesn't mean you have to support them now.

Nobody here is calling for war. Supplying Ukraine with generation-old equipment is not calling for war. It's helping a country survive and thwart an invastion, using their own lives.

On that nuke sub - do you really think that it 'popping up' was the first the US had heard of it - if that even happened? There was probably a Virginia-class sub sitting right on it's ass.
 
So you think we should just sit back, and let Russia take over Europe? Again,what you suggest is WW2 all over again.
Wow...you are dense and do not know much. Russia will never try to take over Europe unless they do it in tandem with China.
 
You are twisting words to fit what you want to think. Just because Trump got chummy with Russia - which made some sense at the time - doesn't mean you have to support them now.

Nobody here is calling for war. Supplying Ukraine with generation-old equipment is not calling for war. It's helping a country survive and thwart an invastion, using their own lives.

On that nuke sub - do you really think that it 'popping up' was the first the US had heard of it - if that even happened? There was probably a Virginia-class sub sitting right on it's ass.
We all are framing words to support our opinions....you too. You are not calling for war but are supporting actions that could very well lead to war.
 
You guys do not understand military strategy and projection of power. There is no way in hell we or any nation could take Russia out in a few weeks. They have lots of stuff they can shoot from the ground to take our aircraft down if they wanted to even if our aircraft are better. and they are entrenched on their border. Have any of you not learned how hard it is to take any nation out on their own turf?

You guys are saying Russia is weak while at the same time saying they will then go and attack the rest of Europe after finishing Ukraine. This is not logical and makes no sense to say.

We would have to declare full scale war, mass our own troops and equipment over a number of months if not longer before even thinking about going after Russia. They also just popped a nuclear loaded sub up off our coast and let it be spotted a week or two ago. They could hit us right here in the US and do it in a way that people are not even dreaming of. They could incinerate NY that fast.

You guys want to declare war while Biden is simultaneously flushing our military preparedness, morale, and fignting spirit down the drain from where it needs to be with woke policies that are driving some of our best and brightest to retire or just leave.

In spite of all the western rendition of whats occurring that you guys are swallowing hook line and sinker, Russia has taken and is occupying thousands of square miles of Ukraine territory and are fortifying at this time in addition to continuing to move forward and gain more ground. They are paying a price for it of course.

War is no good for anyone and this fight is not a vital US national security interest no matter what anyone says.

I am not a Putin supporter. I am red white and blue patriotic American but I do not see any sanity involved in whats going on.
Rest of Europe? No. The Baltic States, who we would be obligated to defend under NATO obligations? Absolutely.
 
 
Its just odd to me that a country I never really thought twice about (other than having a crush on Tatiana Gutsu as a 13 year old boy watching the 1992 Olympics), could be this big of an issue for the United States.

We have now given them ....$150B .....because ....????? They arent and werent a ally. I also dont buy the "defending a sovereign nation" horse pucky. Lastly, I dont really buy the threat of Russia invading Europe/NATO Territory ..... BUT even if I did, It wouldve been far cheaper to bolster NATO assets in the region.

$150Billion .... probably more than that ..... when we are 32 Trillion in debt .... suffering from crushing inflation .... and have a homeless epidemic like never before. For 150B we could eradicate homelessness in the United States, buuuuuuuuuut instead we send it ....to Ukraine??

I was brought up during the Cold War, like a lot of us, and to this day I love watching Rocky whip Drago and yell "WOLVERINES!!!!!!" ... F* those Commie bastards ..... but ..... I just dont get it.
 
Its just odd to me that a country I never really thought twice about (other than having a crush on Tatiana Gutsu as a 13 year old boy watching the 1992 Olympics), could be this big of an issue for the United States.

We have now given them ....$150B .....because ....????? They arent and werent a ally. I also dont buy the "defending a sovereign nation" horse pucky. Lastly, I dont really buy the threat of Russia invading Europe/NATO Territory ..... BUT even if I did, It wouldve been far cheaper to bolster NATO assets in the region.

$150Billion .... probably more than that ..... when we are 32 Trillion in debt .... suffering from crushing inflation .... and have a homeless epidemic like never before. For 150B we could eradicate homelessness in the United States, buuuuuuuuuut instead we send it ....to Ukraine??

I was brought up during the Cold War, like a lot of us, and to this day I love watching Rocky whip Drago and yell "WOLVERINES!!!!!!" ... F* those Commie bastards ..... but ..... I just dont get it.
Boy I sure do love false dichotomies
 
Boy I sure do love false dichotomies

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please flesh out this comment a little more
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$150Billion .... probably more than that ..... when we are 32 Trillion in debt .... suffering from crushing inflation .... and have a homeless epidemic like never before. For 150B we could eradicate homelessness in the United States, buuuuuuuuuut instead we send it ....to Ukraine??

 
Let's hear it in your words.
No clue where $150 billion is coming from. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

The US spending less than 1/10th of its annual defense budget to fend off a Russian invasion of Eastern Europe and thereby deal significant and long-lasting damage to its future economic and military capabilities is a bargain.

Shaving off $100 billion from 32 trillion is meaningless and irrelevant. It's a rounding error raised in bad faith by sanctimonious right-wing budget hawks who are utterly silent when tax cuts rack up deficits much larger than $100 billion.

Inflation in the US is down since the Russian invasion began and is being aggressively addressed by the Fed through interest rate hikes. The idea that military spending, which is more or less unchanged as a fraction of GDP from the Trump years and down from the Bush years, has anything to do with inflation is laughable.

Republicans control the House. Why don't they propose a $150 billion dollar bill to combat homelessness, poverty, or drug deaths? I'll give you hint. They aren't actually interested in doing any of that. It's a red herring once again raised in bad faith. The war could end tomorrow, and they'd invent a new reason to say that Biden doesn't care about Americans. That you convince yourself of that when you essentially worship someone who splits his time between a penthouse in NYC, a seaside estate in Florida, and a NJ country club is a sign of just who far the disease has progressed.
 
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Not good but the war hawks here think we just push a button and everything is at full throttle.


Going to war? Good news! The United States is 13 years behind in ammunition production, NYT reports​

Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert
Sun, March 26, 2023 at 12:53 AM EDT·3 min read
Ukraine Javelin anti-tank missile

Ukrainian troops fire a Javelin anti-tank missile during drills in Ukraine, February 2022.Ukrainian military/Handout via REUTERS
  • The Biden administration this month proposed a record-breaking $842 billion budget for the DOD.
  • Missile and munition stockpiles are dwindling as the US continues to send aid packages to Ukraine.
  • Since production capacity changed after the Cold War, the US can no longer keep up with wartime demands.
The United States' commitment to support Ukraine against the Russian invasion appears to have rattled the stability of the domestic stockpile of missiles and munitions.

The Biden administration has promised — as part of $33 billion sent in military aid for the besieged country so far — a US Patriot air-defense system will be sent to Ukraine, along with over 200,000 rounds of artillery, rockets, and tank rounds.

In fulfilling those promises, The New York Times reported the US has sent Ukraine so many stockpiled Stinger missiles that it would take 13 years of production at recent capacity levels to replace them. The Times added that Raytheon, the company that helps make Javeline missile systems, said it would take five years at last year's production rates to replace the number of missiles sent to Ukraine in the last ten months.

Currently, the US produces just over 14,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition every month — and Ukrainian forces have previously fired that many rounds in the span of 48 hours, The Washington Post reported last month. US officials in January proposed a production increase up to 90,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition each month to keep up with demand.

"Ammunition availability might be the single most important factor that determines the course of the war in 2023," US defense experts Michael Kofman and Rob Lee wrote in December for the Foreign Policy Research Institute, adding that Ukraine will depend on international stockpiles and production for access to the ammunition it needs.

The United States has rarely seen production shortages in ammunition and missiles to the degree the country currently faces. While there was a brief precision missile shortage in 2016 following fights in Libya and Iraq, The Times reported, the US has largely been engaged in short-term, high-intensity fights such as the Persian Gulf War, or prolonged, lower-intensity missions like the war in Afghanistan, which allowed for the stockpile to be rebuilt as needed.

Now, as tensions rise among global superpowers, production and munition limitations in the US — caused by supply chain shortages, as well as Cold War-era reductions in capacity, The Times reported — have become of grave concern among defense professionals.

"This could become a crisis. With the front line now mostly stationary, artillery has become the most important combat arm," according to a report by The Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Ukraine will never run out of 155 mm ammunition―there will always be some flowing in―but artillery units might have to ration shells and fire at only the highest priority targets. This would have an adverse battlefield effect. The more constrained the ammunition supply, the more severe the effect."

Earlier this month, the Biden administration proposed a record-breaking $842 billion budget for the Department of Defense. In an effort to address the munitions shortage, the proposed budget includes $19.2 billion for modernizing facilities "that support readiness improvements," as well as increasing production of naval and anti-strike missiles, in an aim to support the country and its allies through this "decisive decade."

While improvements to production facilities have been budgeted for going forward, the US is currently pushing suppliers to capacity to meet current wartime demands in Ukraine and keep pace with China's production.

"When it comes to munitions, make no mistake," Kathleen Hicks, the deputy defense secretary, said during a briefing earlier this month on the 2024 budget proposal: "We are buying to the limits of the industrial base even as we are expanding those limits, and we're continuing to cut through red tape and accelerate timelines."

Representatives for the Department of Defense did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

Read the original article on Business Insider
 
No clue where $150 billion is coming from. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

The US spending less than 1/10th of its annual defense budget to fend off a Russian invasion of Eastern Europe and thereby deal significant and long-lasting damage to its future economic and military capabilities is a bargain.

Shaving off $100 billion from 32 trillion is meaningless and irrelevant. It's a rounding error raised in bad faith by sanctimonious right-wing budget hawks who are utterly silent when tax cuts rack up deficits much larger than $100 billion.

Inflation in the US is down since the Russian invasion began and is being aggressively addressed by the Fed through interest rate hikes. The idea that military spending, which is more or less unchanged as a fraction of GDP from the Trump years and down from the Bush years, has anything to do with inflation is laughable.

Republicans control the House. Why don't they propose a $150 billion dollar bill to combat homelessness, poverty, or drug deaths? I'll give you hint. They aren't actually interested in doing any of that. It's a red herring once again raised in bad faith. The war could end tomorrow, and they'd invent a new reason to say that Biden doesn't care about Americans. That you convince yourself of that when you essentially worship someone who splits his time between a penthouse in NYC, a seaside estate in Florida, and a NJ country club is a sign of just who far the disease has progressed.
32 trillion is the national debt Mr IQ. You are actually trying to say China Joe is running the economy well which is a joke. The fed has no choice but to raise rates to clean up the disaster created. China Joe is not doing a good job and we do not need to be in Ukraine.
 
They’ll see what they can get away with.

why would they ever do that? war with nato means we're all dead. they know that, we should know that although we're not acting like it.

russia has formally aligned with china in their brics coalition. china has brought the saudis and iran together, so they've recruited the middle east. india has been receptive to their messaging, and geopolitically, that's the correct move for them. china has been actively establishing relationships in africa and south america, brazil specifically. thats why brazil won't sell the germans ammo...they know it will go to ukraine. they've been playing a long game while we've had our thumb up our ass assuming it was our birthright to be the global hegemonic power. you don't need to invade what you already have influence over, and the developing framework at the moment achieves that for russia. china doesn't want more wars and russia can't/won't go against china. so no, that's not happening. the growth economies of the next decade+ will be the em's and frontiers, specifically india, in africa, and in south america - not great for us. we've misplayed our hand horribly here, and the steps to any course correction would require highly intelligent maneuvering as well as acknowledging and eliminating our arrogance - neither of which feel feasible. should this play out, the countdown for the dollar as the global reserve is on - few more years maybe.
 
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We all are framing words to support our opinions....you too. You are not calling for war but are supporting actions that could very well lead to war.
You do know that Russia and the US have played this game for decades, don't you?

Russia interfered in Vietnam - provided weapons
The US interfered in Afghanistan - provided weapons
NATO/US General Wesley Clark ordered a company of British troops under NATO command to attack a Russian unit who had captured an air base (in Kosovo I think).
Russia sent gear to Syria to go against US interests and equipment.

One reason the US supports Israel is that they are a great place to gather intel on Russia. Meanwhile, Russia likes Syria as a great place to gather intel on US Regional movements.

The US and Russia are also competitors for weapons contracts. Most countries buy from one or the other (though France is also a player with aircraft).

And while we're at it - of COURSE Russia meddled in the US election. They have meddled in every election since WWII. And we meddle with them. And both of us fvck around with everyone else's elections as 'needed'.

So absolutely nothing that has happened is 'new'. Same old shi.....
 
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Not good but the war hawks here think we just push a button and everything is at full throttle.


Going to war? Good news! The United States is 13 years behind in ammunition production, NYT reports​

Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert
Sun, March 26, 2023 at 12:53 AM EDT·3 min read
Ukraine Javelin anti-tank missile

Ukrainian troops fire a Javelin anti-tank missile during drills in Ukraine, February 2022.Ukrainian military/Handout via REUTERS
  • The Biden administration this month proposed a record-breaking $842 billion budget for the DOD.
  • Missile and munition stockpiles are dwindling as the US continues to send aid packages to Ukraine.
  • Since production capacity changed after the Cold War, the US can no longer keep up with wartime demands.
The United States' commitment to support Ukraine against the Russian invasion appears to have rattled the stability of the domestic stockpile of missiles and munitions.

The Biden administration has promised — as part of $33 billion sent in military aid for the besieged country so far — a US Patriot air-defense system will be sent to Ukraine, along with over 200,000 rounds of artillery, rockets, and tank rounds.

In fulfilling those promises, The New York Times reported the US has sent Ukraine so many stockpiled Stinger missiles that it would take 13 years of production at recent capacity levels to replace them. The Times added that Raytheon, the company that helps make Javeline missile systems, said it would take five years at last year's production rates to replace the number of missiles sent to Ukraine in the last ten months.

Currently, the US produces just over 14,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition every month — and Ukrainian forces have previously fired that many rounds in the span of 48 hours, The Washington Post reported last month. US officials in January proposed a production increase up to 90,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition each month to keep up with demand.

"Ammunition availability might be the single most important factor that determines the course of the war in 2023," US defense experts Michael Kofman and Rob Lee wrote in December for the Foreign Policy Research Institute, adding that Ukraine will depend on international stockpiles and production for access to the ammunition it needs.

The United States has rarely seen production shortages in ammunition and missiles to the degree the country currently faces. While there was a brief precision missile shortage in 2016 following fights in Libya and Iraq, The Times reported, the US has largely been engaged in short-term, high-intensity fights such as the Persian Gulf War, or prolonged, lower-intensity missions like the war in Afghanistan, which allowed for the stockpile to be rebuilt as needed.

Now, as tensions rise among global superpowers, production and munition limitations in the US — caused by supply chain shortages, as well as Cold War-era reductions in capacity, The Times reported — have become of grave concern among defense professionals.

"This could become a crisis. With the front line now mostly stationary, artillery has become the most important combat arm," according to a report by The Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Ukraine will never run out of 155 mm ammunition―there will always be some flowing in―but artillery units might have to ration shells and fire at only the highest priority targets. This would have an adverse battlefield effect. The more constrained the ammunition supply, the more severe the effect."

Earlier this month, the Biden administration proposed a record-breaking $842 billion budget for the Department of Defense. In an effort to address the munitions shortage, the proposed budget includes $19.2 billion for modernizing facilities "that support readiness improvements," as well as increasing production of naval and anti-strike missiles, in an aim to support the country and its allies through this "decisive decade."

While improvements to production facilities have been budgeted for going forward, the US is currently pushing suppliers to capacity to meet current wartime demands in Ukraine and keep pace with China's production.

"When it comes to munitions, make no mistake," Kathleen Hicks, the deputy defense secretary, said during a briefing earlier this month on the 2024 budget proposal: "We are buying to the limits of the industrial base even as we are expanding those limits, and we're continuing to cut through red tape and accelerate timelines."

Representatives for the Department of Defense did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

Read the original article on Business Insider
So we need more shooty stuff. Cool. A win for the economy.
 
I disagree. Do not think Russia wants a direct war with NATO.
This I agree with. Russia would not survive it. Especially if it got really nasty (ie 'fvck civilian casualties, we gotta kick their ass', WWII style).

One thing to remember is it would be very easy to effectively cut Russia in half. The middle of their country is basically empty. Kinda like the flyover states, but worse.

Now the point of having to deal with ground-launched SAMs is valid, IF they can a) find and b) lock onto the US stuff (one advantage of stealth is that not only does it reduced likelyhood of being spotted but also of 'missile lock'/weapons tracking).
 
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You do know that Russia and the US have played this game for decades, don't you?

Russia interfered in Vietnam - provided weapons
The US interfered in Afghanistan - provided weapons
NATO/US General Wesley Clark ordered a company of British troops under NATO command to attack a Russian unit who had captured an air base (in Kosovo I think).
Russia sent gear to Syria to go against US interests and equipment.

One reason the US supports Israel is that they are a great place to gather intel on Russia. Meanwhile, Russia likes Syria as a great place to gather intel on US Regional movements.

The US and Russia are also competitors for weapons contracts. Most countries buy from one or the other (though France is also a player with aircraft).

And while we're at it - of COURSE Russia meddled in the US election. They have meddled in every election since WWII. And we meddle with them. And both of us fvck around with everyone else's elections as 'needed'.

So absolutely nothing that has happened is 'new'. Same old shi.....
Good points other than stating Russia meddled in the 2020 election to any micro extent compared to what the American globalist junta did.
 
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You guys want to go after Russia but yet here is a reminder of the handiwork of the meatball brigade running the show at this time. This is sickening and disgusting.


UPDATE: Taliban Releases Video of Fields of US Military Vehicles, Piles of US High-End Weapons, and Room Filled with Stacks of 100 Dollar Bills Joe Biden Surrendered to Taliban​

By Jim Hoft Mar. 26, 2023 4:20 pm

cash-biden-military-weapons--600x294.jpg

As The Gateway Pundit previously reported – Joe Biden supplied the Taliban terrorist organization and their Islamist accomplices with billions of dollars worth of US weapons, armed vehicles, helicopters, ammunition, and piles of cash.

Rather than destroying the equipment before leaving the country, Joe Biden surrendered nearly $85 billion worth of US military equipment to the Taliban.

75000-vehicles.jpg


In fact,Joe Biden left 300 times more guns than those passed to the Mexican cartels in Obama’s Fast and Furious program.

The Taliban later released video of the weapons Joe Biden left behind and the room full of stacks of $100 bills Joe left for good measure.

The Taliban posted videos of pallets of weapons and stacks of $100 bills they have seized.


Here is a more complete list of US-supplied and left behind equipment list now controlled by Taliban:

-2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
-75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
-45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
-50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
-ScanEagle Military Drones
-30 Military Version Cessnas
-4 C-130’s
-29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
-At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
-61,000 M203 Rounds
-20,040 Grenades
-Howitzers
-Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
-162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
-16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
-Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
-Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
-10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
-Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
-Laser Aiming Units
-Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
-2,520 Bombs
-Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops all operational
-Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
-Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
-Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
-US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
-Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators
Much of the information included in the above list is public record.
But that was not enough.
It really is as if we lost the war and now we’re paying reparations to the terrorists.
You just can’t make this up!
Recently the Taliban started posting video of the fields of military vehicles the US left behind for the Taliban.
us-trucks-taliban-600x422.jpg

More vehicles.
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The Taliban also claims the Abu Dujana brigade of the Al-Badr Corps have already repaired over 300 military vehicles and now are ready for use.


And don’t forget the room full of $100 bills Joe Biden left the Taliban for good measure.
US-dollars-taliban-surrender-joe-biden-600x353.jpg

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Good points other than stating Russia meddled in the 2020 election to any micro extent compared to what the American globalist junta did.
Oh I'm sure they did. Just like they did in 2018, 2016, 2014, 2012....

....now HOW they did it and how effective they were, is a different argument altogether.
 
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So we need more shooty stuff. Cool. A win for the economy.
Did you catch the lag times on the production and the current estimated time just to replenish what we just sent them in the blink of an eye? Are you proposing and supporting that the US economy gear up into a wartime mode? Sure it will create some jobs, but its also adding to the national debt total.
 
Did you catch the lag times on the production and the current estimated time just to replenish what we just sent them in the blink of an eye? Are you proposing and supporting that the US economy gear up into a wartime mode? Sure it will create some jobs, but its also adding to the national debt total.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Austin


"Austin was the 33rd vice chief of staff of the Army from January 2012 to March 2013, and the last commanding general of United States Forces – Iraq Operation New Dawn, which ended in December 2011. In 2013, Austin was appointed as the first Black commander of CENTCOM by President Barack Obama.[2] He retired from the armed services in 2016 and joined the boards of Raytheon Technologies, Nucor, Tenet Healthcare, and Auburn University.[3][4] On December 7, 2020, he was nominated for defense secretary by then-President-elect Joe Biden. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on January 22, 2021, by a vote of 93–2.[5]"

Well isnt that a coinky dink .........
 

33 Years of History That Led Up to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine that You Won’t See Taught in U.S. Schools​

By Joe Hoft Apr. 5, 2023 12:45 pm

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MUST WATCH VIDEO: 33 years of history that led up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that you won’t see taught in U.S. schools nor hear anywhere in the Western mockingbird media

Guest post by Leo Hohmann
Finland became the 31st member of NATO on Tuesday — a once-unthinkable step that significantly changes the geo-political landscape in Europe, making it far more volatile and susceptible to war.
Why do I say this? Look at a map. Finland’s membership more than doubles NATO’s borders with Russia and, as Axios reports, formally ends Helsinki’s decades of official neutrality.
This represents yet another in-your-face provocation to Russian President Vladimir Putin who, in launching the Russian invasion of Ukraine, vowed to block the alliance’s eastward expansion. Now he has NATO sitting on his massive border with Finland. It will be interesting to see if Finland allows U.S. troops to be deployed on its soil, which would be the ultimate provocation.
Finland represents NATO’s ninth major expansion since its founding in 1949, with the biggest additions coming in the mid-1990s under Bill Clinton, in the early 2000s under George W. Bush and now with the additions of Finland and Sweden under Joe Biden.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg stated the following while officially welcoming Finland into the alliance: “President Putin wanted to slam NATO’s door shut. Today we showed the world that he failed, that aggression and intimidation do not work. Instead of less NATO, he has achieved the opposite: more NATO. And our door remains firmly open.”
We’ll see how this idea of an ever-expanding NATO encircling Russia works out for the U.S. and its allies. Something tells me it could end in a Third World War that brings catastrophic losses of life to the peoples of Russia, Europe and U.S.
Here are the facts:
Mikhail Gorbachev unilaterally disbanded the Warsaw Pact military alliance in 1990. When he did that, Gorbachev was given repeated assurances by the U.S. and Germany that NATO would not fill the geo-political power vacuum with U.S. bases and military alliances in the former Soviet republics.
Jeffrey Sachs, an economist who served as an advisor to Gorbachev during that time, has recently issued a statement saying the U.S. lied to Gorbachev’s face.
The military-industrial complex and its neoconservative backers in Washington immediately began plotting the eastward advancement of NATO, Sachs says in a new video commentary that explains a fascinating and little-understood period in history. And in each of these new NATO member states, eventually came the deployment of American military personnel and/or advanced missile systems.
I had never heard this before, about these broken U.S. promises made to Gorbachev, and I am a college graduate who studied history with a major in political science. So I didn’t want to take Sachs’ word for it. I researched it myself and found that Sachs is correct. You can read about this history, conveniently withheld from American students in high schools and universities, in an 2017 article by Larry Kummer citing original documents in the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
Take a listen to Sachs’ recounting of this completely ignored history that led up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. It will blow your mind. I had to watch it twice to absorb it all.

Sachs ticks off the historical facts of the U.S. introducing more and more weaponry, missile systems, etc. into Eastern Europe. Putin has been warning since 2008 this would lead to confrontation.
So which country is the real aggressor? History reveals the answer.
It’s interesting Sachs cited Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Global Chessboard, to make his case for people to re-evaluate the situation in Ukraine. By quoting Brzezinski, he is using one of the globalists’ own revered sources to argue that Russia has not been treated fairly by the West since the Berlin Wall came down in 1990. Brzezinski predicted in 1997 that Ukraine, if it ever were to seriously be considered for NATO membership, would become an international flashpoint, potentially bringing massive death and casualties.
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Russia invades Ukraine, US supports Ukraine, Russia pulls out of nuclear arms treaty. Conclusion: Biden's fault. Intriguing.
How are we going to fight all of these wars you're desperate to start when you and the rest of the country are too fat to serve?

 
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NATO Intel Leak or Disinformation?​

By Larry Johnson Apr. 7, 2023 7:00 am

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This is not one of the leaked documents
Images of what appears to be the Daily written brief for the “Russia/Ukraine Joint Staff J3/J4/J5” popped up on the Donbass Devushka yesterday and has not created much of a stir. Donbass Devushka has four of the documents on line. They appear authentic. One is classified as “SECRET/REL TO FIN, UKR, FVEY, NATO” and is date 28 FEB 23. (You can see the documents for your self at this link.)
The phrase, “REL TO FIN, UKR, FVEY, NATO” means that this document is available to Finland, Ukraine, the Five Eyes Nations (i.e., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States) and the members of NATO.
The Biden Administration is not happy. Mediate, repeating a NY Times article, reports:
According to Biden administration officials, classified war documents have been leaked on social media that present U.S. and NATO’s secret plan to assist Ukraine’s military before it an offensive against Russian troops, per a report in The New York Times.
The plan contains photographed charts that outline troop and battalion strengths and anticipated weapon deliveries. It also shows the expenditures of HIMARS, a long-range artillery rocket system, and how quickly the Ukrainian military is using its munitions that previously were not shared by the Pentagon.
Other documents have columns that list Ukrainian troops’schedules from January to April. It also includes a summarized assembly of 12 combat brigades, nine of which are trained by U.S. and NATO allies. The documents note that the speed of delivering the equipment would affect brigades’ readiness and training as three are expected to be engaged by April 30.
The document I saw at Donbas is replete with DOD acronyms. One of the most interesting is BLUF, which means Bottom Line Up Front. What is that bottom line from 28 February 2023?
Based on known contributions, training pathways, and projections (12) combat credible BDEs can be generated for the Spring Counteroffensive, (3) internally by Ukraine [not depicted], and (9) are trained and equipped by US, Allied & Partner (US/A&P). Of the (9) BDEs, (6) will be ready by 31MAR, and the final (3) BDEs by 30APR. Equipment delivery times will impact training and readiness in order to meet this timeline. Total equipment required for (9) BDES is 253 x Tanks, 381 x Mech, 480 x Motor, and 147 x Artillery plus delivery of 571 x U.S. Up-Armored HMMWVs.
If this is true, then we know that on February 28 the U.S./NATO military planners saw 30 April as the earliest date when the Ukrainian force, with U.S. and NATO supplied equipment, would be ready to launch the Spring Counter Offensive with 12 Brigades (aka BDE). U.S. Brigades have a troop strength between 2,000 and 5,000 men. That means the planned Ukrainian offensive troop strength could be between 24,000 and 60,000 men.
What is not discussed in the briefing are the logistics requirements required to support such an offensive. As Ukrainian forces move forward they are likely to be heavily engaged by Russian forces on the land and in the air. They will need to be resupplied in the midst of combat with ammunition and fuel. They will also need a system in place to get the wounded off the battlefield(s?) and back to field hospitals. These are tasks that have been very difficult for Ukraine to accomplish in combat operations as of today.
Also important to recognize that a lot of water has gone under the bridge since this briefing. Ukrainian forces trying to hang on to Bakhmut and other areas along the Donbass front have been savaged with casualties and the Russians have launched missile and air strikes on Ukrainian supply warehouses and troop assembly areas. Russia is moving forward steadily and Ukraine is trying to withdraw its remaining forces from the Bakhmut meat grinder. This is just another way of saying that the 28 February timeline may have been disrupted.
I think it is highly likely that Russia’s intelligence service has assets within the NATO ranks that are providing more recent information of this kind to the Russian military commanders and that they have a pretty good idea of the force they will face and where it will attack. If they do not then Western claims that the Russian military is inept will be verified.
This document, if true, removes any doubt that the United States and its NATO partners are involved heavily in helping Ukraine plan its upcoming offensive. What puzzles me is why the U.S., NATO and Ukraine are talking so openly about the upcoming Counter Offensive. Normally, professional military planners keep their plans SECRET and use deception to mask their true intentions. Well, these documents are classified SECRET, which is what you would expect. What does not make sense is that so many Western leaders are flapping their gums about the “SECRET” counter offensive.
One of the documents (not on the Donbass Devushka site), according to the NY TImes, gave casualty figures as of 1 March 2023 of 17,000 Russian KIA and 70,000 Ukrainian KIA. But military analysts talking to the Times claim, “that some original documents which document Ukrainian and Russian casualties have been modified behind a Moscow disinformation effort.”
So, if this is nothing but Russian disinformation why is the Biden Administration pressing the social media giants to censor it? I think the answer is self-evident — the documents are legit and NATO is leaking like a sieve and the Biden folks are in a panic.
Let me conclude with a question that should inspire discussion — if a source freely leaked this to Evan Gershkovich or Julian Assange or Sy Hersh, would they be guilty of “espionage? You know my answer. What do you think? Do citizens have a right to know?
 
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