Warning (Graphic): Man Killed While Jogging in Brunswick, GA
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It could be, but everyone is making assumptions here....just saying. And everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I understand your statistics. According to you no matter how well I do in life, no matter how much I obey the law and any authority, no matter how educated and successful I become personally, I have to accept being gunned down in the street by citizens because the majority of crimes are created by brown people. So in spite of my path to all those wonderful things I'm at the mercy of a random citizen that says I fit the profile.
Here's a solution. Create a land of laws. Done. A police force that is trained to acknowledge those stats but they are trained in an innocent until proven guilty culture. In this case law enforcement did their job so check. And finally, teach citizens that in spite of their bias they are not allowed to do the things that were done on that day. You are not allowed to run another citizen down in the streets because they fit a profile. Call the police. That has not been accomplished to date or not in this situation. So the stats are separate from this incident. You simply can't do that period. If they don't do that no one dies. And their own life doesn't go to hell for that matter.
That is infuriating and those guys should already be in jail. That is one of the worst things I have seen. Reprehensible. They deserve the worst our justice system has to offer.
Could be multiple things, but does it sound like the guy filming is chambering a round? About the :15 mark - a little after.
‘It’s complicated’. Do you blame the fact that 17% of the population commutes well o Excuses can be made for anything, and that’s what you are attempting to do. Martin had Zimmerman mounted banging his head in the concrete, the injuries were there to prove this the case. Zimmerman said Martin told him he was gonna kill him. Police found pictures on Martins phone of all the loot he was stealing, pictures of him doing drugs, selling drugs. Martins death likely saved the life of innocent victims in his way in the future.
73% of the violent crimes against whites, the offender was also white; in 84% of the violent crimes against blacks, the offender was black. Stir those stat any way you like, overwhelming the problem is not with those that liberals try to pin it on.
What’s your comment on the fact that 16% of the population commits 60% of the violent crime? Those are FBI stats. Obviously there is a problem when the numbers are that disproportionate, where / who is the problem? Solution? Of I were. Mayor I would hire an all black police force, top to bottom. Statistics would not change, but that would hopefully force people to confront the real issues causing this nonsense.
Again, nothing to do with this case and the vigilantes shooting an unarmed man. Unless there is much more to the story these guys are rightfully about to go to jail.
When they’re tried and found guilty I’ll be right there with you on this but man we have law and order. And I don’t care what one believes until they’re found guilty opinion is just opinion. How many times do we have to do this? Go nuts over something before a trial is even held or a charge has been made. I’m sure they’ll go to jail based on your perceived notion but everyone has a right to due process. If you’re ever accused of something I sure hope you are given rights before being thrown in jail. There is a process and that process needs to play out. That video is probably damning but it could also be doctored or miss something you didn’t see. Let it play out and go chant in support at the courthouse if they’re found guilty. But until then you, me, they, all have rights to due process and a fair trial. If your opinion is correct, and they’re found guilty then I’m right there with you.
If you were mayor you should spend more time on why it's happening not policing. Maybe you can be the mayor that figured it out and prevents it in the future or maybe reduces it. I'd appreciate that more.
I agree man. It’s bad. Honestly, the entire situation is unnecessary. It just didn’t need to happen. Guy goes for a run and had no earthly idea it was going to be his last day alive. Very unfortunate.
A few people on a message board giving their opinion will not impact their due process. Hell they haven't even been arrested so they are getting one hell of a dose of due process. However the young man killed received no due process. NONE. If you really believe in that so much your tune might be different from where I'm sitting. Just saying.
Yeah. When you set up a road block with weapons drawn, I can’t see that being successful. Also, can’t fathom why we’re coming up on 3 months after the fact and haven’t convened a grand jury.
Yea without a doubt he is chambering a round.
So, again, a 17 year old deserves to die because he sold drugs and stole? He was irredeemable?
Zimmerman defied law enforcement requests and followed a (at the moment) law-abiding citizen to his home, confronted him, got his ass beat, and shot a kid in the heart.
Martin very well could have been a thug. Most evidence suggests he was. But I personally know people who were thugs at 17, 18... hell, into adulthood, who changed. That you so cavalierly toss away a black life because he was a small-time criminal pretty much proves my point.
And again, you didn't seem to read my post at all. 16 percent of the population commits 60 percent of the crime? No. A more accurate statement would be that 60 percent of criminal charges are filed against 16 percent of the population.
Just as the extreme exists that President Obama attracted. Being able to levitate above to see the clear picture on both sides, is wise.
It just keeps getting worse the more I read. He admits on that call that their only concern was that he was "a black man running down the street". WTF!?!? Infuriating. How are they not already under the jail?
One more thing. It's been 2 months. People on this board are discussing this emotionally but all civil in nature. Not one of the many many people on this board that thinks these people are guilty have armed themselves and protested the Georgia State government. How about that? So no one is going nuts about anything to use your words. Think about that. People have sat quietly waiting for the law to do it's thing. 2 months later.....
Doesn’t look like anything I’ve ever seen recorded in real life. Terrible. And in the middle of the day? Questions.
Why was the guy driving down the road filming?
Why were the two guys in the truck sitting in the road with shotguns?
Why was the one guy running towards the two guys with the shotguns?
Why did the guy running try to grab one of the shotguns from one of the guys?
I believe in law and order. And if they are guilty (based off that short clip it sure looks bad to me) then their day will come and they’ll spend their life in jail and rightfully so. I’ll be the first to say they’re scum bags and deserve everything that’s coming to them. But once again, you nor I know all the facts. I tell my staff all the time...there are 2 sides to every story and we need to make sure we are and hear both sides of it.
Lots of great points here. You mention examples, but you can’t blame people for say having less trust of a white with tattoos over a white(or black) in a suit. Same for the other examples. Does society create those stereotypes or is it developed over years of life experiences?
I'm glad you're addressing the stats again. I mean seriously I have no chance in life no matter what I do because people that look like me do wrong. That's literally the thing people keep going back to. Why do I even try? I can't move freely, can't be armed, can't make mistakes because you know, those stats.
You know I didnt say that. Its all about individual accountability. Each person is responsible for their actions regardless of race. We live in the best country. Does it get done right every time?...absolutely not. Does it get done right most of the time in a fair manner,,,,I would say yes.
I’ve heard nothing of it so you make a fair point. However, COVID is on a 24-7 news stream so not sure what other news would sneak in during this Pandemic. I think it would be national news if not for COVID.
Look I'm all for that. It's just funny how you were so concerned about their rights but not the rights of the guy murdered. He literally received none of what you're arguing for. None. He's a citizen as well. They have a bunch of guys on a message board mad but in actual real life they've been free since the murder. Why do you feel the need to defend their right to due process when they've been getting it 100%
He appears to try to run around the truck to avoid it, but the guy on the ground with the shotgun comes around the front of the truck to confront him with the gun pointed. Not sure what you’re supposed to do at that point. You either fight, or potentially get shot in the back trying to run away. It takes a cold dude to think clearly in that situation. The guy was essentially hunted down by a couple of dooshbag vigilante cosplayers. Regardless of what he may or may not have done, that shit is wrong.
Definitely what it sounds like to me. Would also explain the video being sent in anonymously.
Society totally created those. C'mon man I don't want to insult you but think about it. I can go through life never meeting a white man with a tattoo and there were more than enough images and messaging to promote them as worse than one in a suit or simply worse than they actually are. By the same token I have met plenty of white people in my life that had horrible thoughts, images and views of black people that had never actually met or interacted with one. They lived in communities without them and went by what the images they saw all over. Didn't even take their parents being racist or anything. Just programming. They had the opportunity to change obviously after getting their own experiences to go from that believe it or not went against what they thought. And I'm sure unfortunately some had bad experiences with the few they may have met. Same if I meet ONE white guy with tattoos and that confirmed the negative.
My initial thought, with him chambering a round, is that he's friends with those two and knew this was going down/on his way to help. Could be why he sent it in anonymously and waited awhile to upload the video because his conscious got the better of him.
Certainly possible he was just riding around and happened to see two bumfvcks with guns out the window and knew some shit was going down and thought he better be safe however.
Two men clearly gun down an unarmed black man for simply jogging in a neighborhood after they called 911 and stated their only concern was that he was "a black man running down the street" in their neighborhood. Not just a man, but a "black" man. Yeah, those guys weren't "real racists", allow us to let you point out what "real racism" is.
You can't say it's all about individual accountability and then cite those stats. My desire is that it be about individual accountability so that when I go get a degree, stay out of trouble, and become a great citizen I won't get profiled and have to listen to stats explaining why it makes sense that I'm profiled and beaten or killed. You have to look at this from my point of view. There's more than one America. You have to start there. I don't blame you for your point of view because I look at it from what you've seen but you have to be able to do that for others to understand why this stuff is totally wrong no matter those stats.
Might as well address this, since we have a couple posters who will eventually use this to justify the murder.
Ahmaud Arbery did have some legal issues. In 2013, he brought a handgun to a basketball game and in 2018 he got busted for shoplifting.
The D.A. has already used these facts to suggest that Arbery was at fault.
Ahmaud Arbery did have some legal issues. In 2013, he brought a handgun to a basketball game and in 2018 he got busted for shoplifting.
The D.A. has already used these facts to suggest that Arbery was at fault.
I can assure you I’m not mad. I have plenty of my own stuff to deal with rather than to get mad about something folks say on a message board. Sorry if I gave that impression. As for his rights, I never said I didn’t care for that guys rights. That’s an assumption on your part. And if his rights were taken that’s a dang shame and once again those guys should be thrown in jail for life. I feel like you think I’m taking sides here. That’s opposite of what I’m arguing. I don’t know enough to pick a side. I only know that I was saying It needs to play out. If found guilty I’ll say they got what they deserved. If found innocent I’ll say it was sad someone died but glad those guys weren’t found guilty due to opinion or folks jumping to conclusions. And of course they’re free. They haven’t been found guilty. You can’t lock someone up without enough evidence or without a conviction. They are not required to go to jail and not should they until they have the evidence they need to arrest them or they’re found guilty.
I’m getting out of this one. It’s too emotional for some folks (and no I’m not pointing at you) to discuss. It’s the world we live in these days.
Sad situation all around. Feel bad for the young mans family and what they’re feeling right now. Good debate.
I honestly think no matter that the mom said 2 months her son went out jogging no one listened because we give the benefit of the doubt to the shooters claiming this black person was a criminal. To Black people that even sounds plausible without any other evidence to the contrary. Not much society can say without witnesses since it happened where it did. Once the video came out it became a story.
These stats are not about charges, those are convictions by a jury of their peers. Interestingly, whites are convicted three times more often for drug offenses. You keep moving the goal posts for your argument, you are going to keep talking in circles. Tell me this, if a 17 year old drug dealer, thief, high, straddled you and was pounding your head in the pavement, what would you do? Why do you keep skipping over the most important detail of that encounter? Oh yea facts don’t fit your failed argument. Who let Martin down? He had drug tattoos, was suspended from school for the 3rd time at the time of his death, investigators uncovered hundreds of texts on his phone and social media with Martin bragging about fighting and gun use and being a ‘gangsta’. School officials found thousands of dollars worth of jewelry in his backpack, along with a screwdriver. At the time of his death his mom had kicked him out and sent him to stay with his dad. He was a danger to society, he no longer is. Yet many tried to prop this guy up as some sort of martyr, never mentioning what a low life he turned out to be.
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You literally said IF his rights were taken. It's a fact that his rights were taken and violated. No one, no one deserves to be murdered as a suspected criminal or for jogging through someone's neighborhood. So yes it does seem like you're taking a side. You're arguing for their right to due process which haven't once been violated but the dead guys rights to due process have totally been taken away. No insult intended. You're stating that by what you're saying.
First shot is fired almost simultaneously as the guy runs around the front of the car. The dude with the shotgun goes around to cut him off, basically forces the guy to engage, and then fires.
