Neither guy is active law enforcement, they are screwed. They had no right to chase someone down with guns and engage, even if he stole. Looks like someone forgot they were retired.
Warning (Graphic): Man Killed While Jogging in Brunswick, GA
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Who the fvck just drives around the neighborhood with their cell phone recording video?
"Hey Honey, I'm going to drive around the block with my cell phone recording, it seems like a good day to catch a murder"
"Hey Honey, I'm going to drive around the block with my cell phone recording, it seems like a good day to catch a murder"
when you have real in depth conversations with defense attorneys and it takes a grind to get it out of them......
this is what you’ll find:
“it’s not about getting to the truth. It’s about getting the most favorable position for your client.”
This isn’t a surprise per se but when you compound this by millions..... gives you an appreciation of the bullshit justice that’s out there, ON BOTH SIDES.
Society did not create those. Lets take the white guy with tattoos example. Are you telling me that the percentage of white guys with tattoos in prison is the same as those with tattoos who have never been in prison? I'd be willing to bet that is not true. Also, I don't know where you live, but I don't think you could go through life and not meet someone with a tattoo in any category you want to pick, much less any group of males.
I can just about guarantee you arrest/conviction statistics would support the idea you should be more afraid of a white guy with a tattoo than one in a suit.
You don't look into the numbers you post, do you? Whites are convicted three times more because blacks are orders of magnitude more likely to have to have a public defender and plead out. And they account for many times more of the population than African-Americans.
You literally argue like a middle-schooler. I haven't moved goal posts one iota. You're of the ilk that think a 17 year old deserved to die because he was a bad kid, completely glossing over the ADULT who stalked him, disobeyed law enforcement, and shot him.
I wonder what is causing that blind spot in your analysis? 17 year old black kid... deserves to die. Grown ass man doing the exact opposite of what law enforcement told him..."W-w-w-hat would you do?" Yeah. Racism. That's your blind spot. I wouldn't expect a racist to see it.
Some of y'all need to take a few minutes out of your life and watch this.
I'm done talking about Trayvon Martin. It's essentially a Rorschach test at this point, and not particularly helpful. But I'll only say that the general tone and tenor or throwing people away so young has to be changed. Especially those we label as thugs.
I'm done talking about Trayvon Martin. It's essentially a Rorschach test at this point, and not particularly helpful. But I'll only say that the general tone and tenor or throwing people away so young has to be changed. Especially those we label as thugs.
I don't think most realize the difficulties of being a law abiding black man in America. Especially in an area where you are not known. It breaks my heart the stereotypes that are thrown out. It's damn 2020 and it's supposed to be better.
Ahh, I know who she is. Didn't recognize her. Was hoping for someone new I was unaware of. But she's still very fine. Thanks for the reply.
Regardless of what gets released on their justification, these guys are guilty without question unless the laws in Georgia are different than other states. You can't follow someone down a public, residential street and shoot them on suspicion. If there was at any point a threat to them, ie....he was in their house or on their property, it was over by time they caught up to him.......that fact alone makes them guilty. They followed him, not the other way around. That's pre-meditated in my opinion.
Take some photos, call the police, go back home and wait for them to show up.
If there is a conflict of interest in regards to the DA office knowing him, move the case to another jurisdiction or state. That happens more often than you think.
Take some photos, call the police, go back home and wait for them to show up.
If there is a conflict of interest in regards to the DA office knowing him, move the case to another jurisdiction or state. That happens more often than you think.
I guess you missed the first part of my post. I’m not referring to the video...I’m referring to the same people that are always in these types of threads always screaming racism...you know who you are & you know what I mean.
Despite what the liberal playbook says, you don’t have to be a white conservative to be racist.
I wonder about the involvement of the person in the car. I wonder why the runner didn’t turn around and run away from the roadblock. Perhaps the runner felt threatened by the person in the car and felt the person was following him with ill intent. It’s definitely something that needs to be looked into.
As opposed to the same people that are always in these types of threads screaming that "you don't have to be white to be racist"? And yet most of these threads are about black people being gunned down by whites, with varying degrees of justification. Seems odd how that's always the way with these threads. Don't see a lot of threads about white guys just jogging down the road or walking back to their house being gunned down by blacks for being "suspicious".
I'm sure it's just severe underreporting of the black uprising against whites or something. By the liberal media!
--Mr. DT
I will say that until this thread took a turn, I think it was an honest discussion of the facts and how terrible this specific instance is, where it just looks like a guy is getting gunned down by two other guys because he fit a profile... sounds like the profile was only skin color. Fvcked up.
This situation is rightfully getting a lot of attention in GA today. It was covered on Fox also.
The governor who campaigned on rounding up illegals in his truck while toting a shotgun. It's almost as if the two perps in this case were simply putting that into action.
I'm sure Kemp is doing the right thing here, but the concern is a bit rich coming from him.
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I don't see a shotgun in his truck. You do realize those are two different campaign ads, right?The governor who campaigned on rounding up illegals in his truck while toting a shotgun. It's almost as if the two perps in this case were simply putting that into action.
I'm sure Kemp is doing the right thing here, but the concern is a bit rich coming from him.
It's all one thirty second add, which opens with him toting a gun around. Notice he's wearing the same shirt.
Of course, Brian has another great one where he aims his shotgun at a boy (in jest I know, but it'd be nice if our leaders didn't make light of guns).
You completely missed the point. The point is it IS created by society because we know people who have never met someone like whatever the description is and already have a bias. Yes eventually you'll meet somebody, which I already mentioned and it can go one way or the other. This sort of imaging happens all the time everywhere in every category both positively and negatively, sales and marketing, etc. What I said isn't groundbreaking. My whole point is it isn't only built from people's personal experiences. Even with that said it's not fair to to the white guys with tattoos that have never committed a crime in their life and they should be able to walk around in peace. I don't care what your stats say. There's a way to progress without using that as an excuse. It's funny that the people who are in charge don't have the same issue due to the many crimes they dominate statistically. Imagine that. This is totally created.
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I promise you that I do everything in my power to make those around me feel absolutely safe, respected and happy and a lot of the times it doesn't matter. It's exhausting and it's painful when you're still treated that way. But you're taught to try to be strong. But you're human. I honestly think some people just don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. I appreciate your comment.
My thinking was that if I saw a couple dudes with shotguns in the road I wouldn’t want to run towards them, much less get near enough to bump into or scuffle with one of them.
If he was out jogging/exercising, however, he may not have been totally aware of what was going on until he was right on top of the guy standing in the road and instinct took over once it seemed like the guy was trying to fight him or something. I’m not a runner, but sometimes when they’re “in the zone” it doesn’t seem like they pay much attention to surroundings.
Terrible and sickening outcome that should have never happened, regardless of the underlying circumstances, and there should be consequences.
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i think @Ron Munson mentions in the thread that he had already tried once to turn around and run away from these guys
The governor who campaigned on rounding up illegals in his truck while toting a shotgun. It's almost as if the two perps in this case were simply putting that into action.
I'm sure Kemp is doing the right thing here, but the concern is a bit rich coming from him.
You can be for gun rights and enforcing immigration laws while being against murder. You realize that right?
Wow. Wish I hadn't watched that.
Am I crazy to think that the only defense those guys could have would be the identity of the person who filmed it? They have the context of what happened before and after the 30 second film.
But those 2 didn't "chase down" the victim, they freaking ambushed him. They were waiting outside the truck.
Am I crazy to think that the only defense those guys could have would be the identity of the person who filmed it? They have the context of what happened before and after the 30 second film.
But those 2 didn't "chase down" the victim, they freaking ambushed him. They were waiting outside the truck.
Good point from Trey Gowdy:
"I guess my first question would be, why did it take the video [becoming public]?" Gowdy asked host Dana Perino. "If you have someone who is jogging, who is unarmed, who is shot and killed by officers who aren't officers -- they aren't even law enforcement officers -- why did they take video?"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trey-gowdy-ahmaud-arbery-case-grand-jury
"I guess my first question would be, why did it take the video [becoming public]?" Gowdy asked host Dana Perino. "If you have someone who is jogging, who is unarmed, who is shot and killed by officers who aren't officers -- they aren't even law enforcement officers -- why did they take video?"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trey-gowdy-ahmaud-arbery-case-grand-jury
You are 100% correct....we have law and order! And chasing a young man down and shooting him in the middle of the street is not it. And no, I wasn't there, but I watched the video of it happening in its entirety, so pretty much was.
This wasn’t a murder committed by two men, BUT 3 men with guns cornering a jogger because he was a black man jogging through their neighborhood. These vigilantes suspected this man of a burglary that happened in the past in which they have no proof. Gregory McMichael, Travis McMichael, and Brian Williams should all be charged. As some have pointed out, you hear the driver chambering his weapon while trying to video the confrontation.
In just the last few days, we have seen armed militia overtake a statehouse capital; which a minority group could not do without severe consequences. We have seen other white protesters with guns confronting the police, which is lauded as those protesters First Amendment rights. But, Black Lives Matter is labeled as a terrorist group for protesting against police brutality. Now we see a black man cannot jog through a neighborhood without fear of losing his life because someone in the majority population thinks he looks suspicious. Despite what some are willing to admit; there are two Americas for those in the majority and those in the minority. Sad, but definitely true!
In just the last few days, we have seen armed militia overtake a statehouse capital; which a minority group could not do without severe consequences. We have seen other white protesters with guns confronting the police, which is lauded as those protesters First Amendment rights. But, Black Lives Matter is labeled as a terrorist group for protesting against police brutality. Now we see a black man cannot jog through a neighborhood without fear of losing his life because someone in the majority population thinks he looks suspicious. Despite what some are willing to admit; there are two Americas for those in the majority and those in the minority. Sad, but definitely true!
Thread right here. Doesn't matter if he was armed... Hell, It doesn't matter if he WAS a criminal. You don't get to chase people down and kill them. You get to call the police. If they are breaking in your home or asaulting you OK, not this.
I am not a fan of the federal government getting involved in state and local issues, but in situations like this, where something is completely ignored and no charges are filed, the federal (or state) government should step in, and not only file charges, but file charges against the DA and local law enforcement for not pursuing this.
And now we see how the isolated actions of individuals can be extrapolated upon by someone with a world view based upon race, and used to impune a whole race of people.
Sad, but definitely true.
What is sad is that someone from the majority and privilege continuously try to dismiss or invalidate the reality of the minority’s experience.
When you say the isolated actions of individuals, what actions and who are you referring to? Any one with any decency, a sound mind and moral fortitude can look at that video and say at the very least those men should have been arrested two months ago. But are those isolated actions of individuals you are referring to are they the two men in the truck? Does it not include the third participant with a gun that is filming the incident? Does it include the police officers that responded that didn’t make an arrest at the scene? Does it include their superiors and investigators that once they had all the evidence still refused to make an arrest because of their connection to the perpetrators? Does it include the TWO District Attorneys that recused themselves and refused to bring charges because of their personal connection? One of which wrote a letter for no other purpose other than to shape the narrative to exonerate these murderers. Does it include the now presiding THIRD DA that has also refused to bring charges but instead has decided that a Grand Jury needs to decide, although he has it within his authority to bring charges immediately. Does it include all the members of the community that is justifying the actions of all those involved in opposition to the clear evidence that this was vigilantes that murdered a black man because he was jogging and looked suspicious to them. This is not isolated actions of individuals. This is the entire system that is complicit in the injustice including the people that sits idly by and say nothing and do nothing when they know it’s the right thing to speak up. When you say impugn a whole race of people, so far at the minimum, I have listed 10-15 people that are complicit not including the community. What do they all have in common that is in opposition to the black man that was also a part of that community?
you are 100% correct, and I appreciate you posting this. But obviously there are lots of folks in this thread and on this board who just wont hear this and who are going to (ridiculously) call you a racist for posting this.
Ok. Look. What are your points? Give me the bottom line. I can refer back to this post and previous posts if they have the details. But you've mentioned the FBI, some protesters in Michigan protesting the COVID lockdown, black men afraid to go jogging, two Americas, the system, etc...
So I've taken from this that your view is that: Whites are racist. Blacks should be afraid in white neighborhoods. The FBI (as part of, the system) is also racist because it treats BLM as a terrorist organization (like the KKK). That the entire justice system is racist. That there are two Americas... .one for whites and one for minorities.
That's what I think that I understand from your posts. Is this an accurate summation, or did I get it wrong or miss something?
One point of clarification that I must ask.... you use the word, "minority". What do you mean by that? Do you mean ALL minorities together? Just one minority? What do you mean? This incident in GA involved a black American. I'm confused on this point.
Good dialogue.
Edit: I forgot to add that I am White. I think this is important for you to know given your world-view on two Americas. Not something that I would highlight to someone not viewing things through the lens of race, but I think it really important to you and your points. I like the picture. I was young. Good looking. It was taken after I was sent to fight for however many Americas that you think that there are. I kinda like it.
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Hopefully they are both convicted and the prosecutor who didn't pursue them is fired.
It will be interesting to see all the facts. Regardless they had no right to chase and shoot the guy. And they both deserve to rot in jail.
I do think once things start coming out, the victim is not going to be squeaky clean. They of course still had no reason to pursue or shoot him.
It will be interesting to see all the facts. Regardless they had no right to chase and shoot the guy. And they both deserve to rot in jail.
I do think once things start coming out, the victim is not going to be squeaky clean. They of course still had no reason to pursue or shoot him.
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