Way OT...... just Curious are you a Christian?
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I'll pay your next year of TI, if you can show me one post where I attacked you or anyone else. This entire time I've explained my reason for believing and defended my views.
Put up or...
I'm out of this thread, but I will be glad to discuss anything about this with anyone who is really interested. Not here to judge anyone. Seems the thread took a turn that way. I'm just here if someone has any sincere questions. God bless you all.
Man..................
U people need to go to bed!
I am.
Anyone that wants to call me out, claim I'm an asshole ( I am ) or whatever you want to say.
Do it tomorrow.
And PLEASE.......... let me know it you'll come to the TENT MEETING
Halleluhah
BTW, if it comes to fruition.............I want all you atheists there drinking free beer (it won't be light)
U people need to go to bed!
I am.
Anyone that wants to call me out, claim I'm an asshole ( I am ) or whatever you want to say.
Do it tomorrow.
And PLEASE.......... let me know it you'll come to the TENT MEETING
Halleluhah
BTW, if it comes to fruition.............I want all you atheists there drinking free beer (it won't be light)
Not sure if you are aware or not but the official Catholic position on non Christians and folks who have never heard the gospel regarding "making it in" , is that they are certainly able to make it to heaven. This was promulagated in the Vatican 2 conference. Even many non Catholics believe that everyone will have the chance to accept or reject if they did not have the chance while alive. Likewise, there are several bible verses that contradict or muddy the waters on the assertion that folks who have never heard of Christianity are doomed to hell.
Gives them what they want? Lmao maybe so but that is because He made it so. You know the whole He has a plan for each of us thingy.... So the plan was for billions of people to endure the worst thing imaginable, for eternity.
- God is bored one day and decides to make inferior people in his image
- Picks some out that get to chill with him in Heaven. Lucky them
- Picks even more out that will burn forever because... Well just because they broke the rules that he made but it's cool because he knew those people he picked out would in fact break them.
- Creates both of those sets of people and the predictable ensues
The God of the Bible is an insecure beta who literally created an entire world for the sole purpose of having someone to worship him. When they don't do what he wants he wines and stomps his feet like a petulant child and threatens them with eternal damnation. He is so desperate for attention that he even murders his own son.
He tells his follower to also murder his son, only to tell him not to and that he was only "testing" him. He makes a bet with the devil and tortures another one of his dedicated followers, killing his entire family. He murders the first born sons of people who aren't "chosen."
Why anyone would want to follow such an evil, malevolent, narcissistic being is beyond me.
I am very relieved and happy that this god does not actually exist.
He tells his follower to also murder his son, only to tell him not to and that he was only "testing" him. He makes a bet with the devil and tortures another one of his dedicated followers, killing his entire family. He murders the first born sons of people who aren't "chosen."
Why anyone would want to follow such an evil, malevolent, narcissistic being is beyond me.
I am very relieved and happy that this god does not actually exist.
Does that not make it worse that he planned in advance whole segments of his creations being doomed to hell? Why did he even create them in the first place. It makes no sense that he would create hundreds of millions of people and in advance determine that they are going to go to hell with zero chance of redemption. That sounds like a really horrible deity.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'm not Catholic and would love to hear the Protestant verses you are referencing on this topic. I'm not aware of any of them.
Catholics believe in purgatory that you can pray or buy a loved one out of. This is not a biblical stance.
Now you are denouncing Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Both are the basis for modern Christianity prior to Martin Luther and King Henry VIII deciding they didn't like that version. Interesting.
Be careful. History scares some people...
Still not attacking, I explained that I could not be expected to defend Catholicism, since I'm not one. I am even open to hearing the. Estes he referred to.
Yes, I denounce all other religions that I am not part of. It's part of the exclusivity of Jesus' claim of John 14:6. "No one come to the father except through me".
I proclaimed my previous denomination (Methodist)... before I saw the light. I was just curious as to what your faith was.
Ok, I'm headed to bed. I've got to get up early for worship of the one true and living God, Jesus Christ.
Even if your current religion is the spawn of that other religion?
Technically no, Christianity protested (Protestantism) that Catholicism had fallen into false practices and that left the New Testament orthodoxy. So while you could draw a line from Catholicism it was actually a renaissance or orthodox Judaism.
While it was a break from Catholicism it went further back to reconnect with the New Testament development of Judaism.
While it was a break from Catholicism it went further back to reconnect with the New Testament development of Judaism.
That's great but more Christians should do more action and less talking when spreading the word. Leading by example and promotion by attraction.
Actually the catholic view I am speaking of is not related to purgatory. The Catholics believe in anonymous Christianity or in that if people do not have access to the gospel that they are able to use their own methods and their own heart to work towards salvation. These folks have an implicit faith and are "Baptized by an earnest desire." In the catholic view certain people can be redeemed even though they have not heard of the gospel bc when a man is ignorant God accepts an earnest, implicit desire that reveals salvation by showing that their heart is right with God even if they may not be aware of the correct name for God or the correct steps. Their heart basically shows they are right with God despite their ignorance.
The Bible verses they use are found in Romans 2: vs 15-20. Basically, these verses talk about how the gentiles were redeemed without the law bc they they had the law written in their heart. It does not take a huge leap to parallel this with the current day heathen who does not have access to the Word of God.
I believe there is also a verse at the beginning of Titus where it states that every person will be given the opportunity (i am paraphrasing and I don't remember the actual vs). However, I do recall that The Titus vs shows that everyone will be given the chance.
There may be other verses but these are the ones I can think of right off the cuff.
@tigerworx you may be interested in this too.
It really doesn't matter. Your faith hinges on it being the word of God and I'm guessing in your case the word of Christ. The word doesn't change. Leaders and doctrine might, but how can you change a religion when your last living prophet died on a cross somewhere between 30-33 AD according to biblical scholars. You don't change religion, you just change the direction of its leadership.
It's fascinating that in the year 2017, there are educated adults who still claim to believe stuff like this. My guess is that most of them are caving to social pressures - but whatever the reason, it's absolutely fascinating.
Yes I am. John Newton said it best "there are only 2 things I am sure of. I am a miserable sinner and Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. I don't attend church regularly anymore and I drink beer, cuss, vape, and at times dance fast. I don't concern myself with different denominations trying to figure out who's doing right and who's doing it wrong. I don't consider myself religious but more spiritual. I try to live my life by the 10 commandments which to me are very simple and elementary. All the rules so called Christians place on themselves and other people are just their way to make themselves feel more holier than thou!
Sorry, but I didn't read through all 8 pages of this thread to see if his has been addressed. I am assuming you are a Christian and believe that the only path to eternal salvation is through accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. So, do you believe that a child who never exposed to Christianity, is automatically doomed, and goes to hell?
One of the funniest things in this world is Christians who can find all the flaws in mormonism and call it a cult, not noticing the irony
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