this is a good postOriginally posted by Ron Munson:
What about calling people "idiots" because they want to study the Bible deeper? or Calling people "stupid" for questioning tithing? Or telling people they "suck at life" because they don't like the music style at NewSpring?Originally posted by scartiger:
RodnHe I don't know any true man of God that would use the N or the D (cuss word) in the pulpit or any where else for that matter. And those are commandments telling us not to do those things.
Or playing Highway to Hell as an opening song?
Or tell people not to invite him over for dinner because he doesn't want to "sit around a table with people that make me uncomfortable and eat food I don't like"
How you gonna call 6 page minimum on page 4?Originally posted by 96tigergrad:
6 pages, minimum
As fellow believers we are also instructed to rebuke and hold each other accountable. If I knew PN personally I would definitely say something to him about saying that. What comes out of your mouth is an overflow of the heart. All this tells me is that he says that more than on occasion.Originally posted by haymond1977:
What commandment says don't curse? I curse and I'm a Godly man. How bout don't judge lest you be judged or does that not apply to you? Truth is you hold earthly deeds valuable and it's very sad. You would be the first one to deny Christ for having a murderer or a tax collector walking with him. Just sad.
What's your authority on this? Your skepticism about giving money to the church?Originally posted by Ron Munson:
TigerBomb is 100% accurate on his views on tithing. The 10% is old Jewish law and not part of the New Covenant. Go read Corinthians.
Church's need your money so of course they are going to pump the 10% rule.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument. I haven't been to NewSpring in over 10 years, but it doesn't take a "follower" of someone to know when people are nit-picking for little things to criticize somebody. You don't get to continually bring up criticisms of somebody and then turn around and characterize any disagreement with what you say as a "rush to defend."Originally posted by tiger-gal2:
When the congregation of a church has to backpedal and make excuses for its leader, that's not a good sign. Perry Noble does a lot of things that are contradictory to what is taught in the Bible. For some reason his followers rush to defend his behavior and rationalize it at every turn.
Jesus doesn't "replace" the old law, he fulfills it. This is why you can't simply say pick through what Jesus says in the NT and discard everything he didn't say. I don't recall Jesus saying anything about God being a Trinity, either. Heck, he didn't even say anything about whether you should cheer for Clemson.Originally posted by Tigerbomb:
Wrong. If you can point to a place in the Bible where Jesus says give 10% I will gladly change my view on tithing. Jesus replaced the old law.Originally posted by camcgee:
Actually, what you're saying is a minority view among orthodox Christians. You might want to re-check your theology, because you're the one that's heterodox.Originally posted by Tigerbomb:
PN is way off base with his tithing teaching. I love how he glosses over the "Old Testament Law" argument and goes straight into "it was a principle that was established by Cain and Able". Read your bible again Perry.Originally posted by acwill07:
LOL at Perry Noble. Newspring is more of a cult than a church and I really can't understand why anyone would go there. On top of him distorting the Bible's teachings to benefit his own financial gain, he is simply a prick.....refuses to preside over marriages and funerals of church members (or owners if you are wacky). Tells me all I need to know.
Check out the link....calls Christians who don't tithe a full 10% idiots.
The truth is we are told give cheerfully and help those in need. We are told to look into our hearts and decide how much to give. This nonsense that it is 10% because it was established in the Old Testament is just false.
Its even more sickening that PN insinuates that you will be punished in some way if you don't give 10% of your money. The bible is crystal clear that "giving" is not just money.
So much fail in that rant and how arrogant for him to say "you don't want to play the bible game with me."
The truth is Jesus said you should give up everything you own to follow him. He didn't bring up the old law and say give me 10%. It is written that you should find in your own heart what you can give and do so cheerfully. For some that may be 1% and for others that may be 90%. The 10% is a weak attempt by modern preachers to guilt you into tithing.
I am not advocating not tithing. I tithe myself. We are commanded to give by Jesus. We are not commanded by him to give 10% or face the consequences. That is what PN and prosperity preachers like him are trying convince members to believe.
I'm not sure what you're saying or how if refutes the other poster, but he is correct in saying that Jesus didn't say give 10%. The only NT verses on tithing talks about to give cheerfully and/or according to your income.Originally posted by camcgee:
Jesus doesn't "replace" the old law, he fulfills it. This is why you can't simply say pick through what Jesus says in the NT and discard everything he didn't say. I don't recall Jesus saying anything about God being a Trinity, either. Heck, he didn't even say anything about whether you should cheer for Clemson.Originally posted by Tigerbomb:
Wrong. If you can point to a place in the Bible where Jesus says give 10% I will gladly change my view on tithing. Jesus replaced the old law.Originally posted by camcgee:
Actually, what you're saying is a minority view among orthodox Christians. You might want to re-check your theology, because you're the one that's heterodox.Originally posted by Tigerbomb:
PN is way off base with his tithing teaching. I love how he glosses over the "Old Testament Law" argument and goes straight into "it was a principle that was established by Cain and Able". Read your bible again Perry.Originally posted by acwill07:
LOL at Perry Noble. Newspring is more of a cult than a church and I really can't understand why anyone would go there. On top of him distorting the Bible's teachings to benefit his own financial gain, he is simply a prick.....refuses to preside over marriages and funerals of church members (or owners if you are wacky). Tells me all I need to know.
Check out the link....calls Christians who don't tithe a full 10% idiots.
The truth is we are told give cheerfully and help those in need. We are told to look into our hearts and decide how much to give. This nonsense that it is 10% because it was established in the Old Testament is just false.
Its even more sickening that PN insinuates that you will be punished in some way if you don't give 10% of your money. The bible is crystal clear that "giving" is not just money.
So much fail in that rant and how arrogant for him to say "you don't want to play the bible game with me."
The truth is Jesus said you should give up everything you own to follow him. He didn't bring up the old law and say give me 10%. It is written that you should find in your own heart what you can give and do so cheerfully. For some that may be 1% and for others that may be 90%. The 10% is a weak attempt by modern preachers to guilt you into tithing.
I am not advocating not tithing. I tithe myself. We are commanded to give by Jesus. We are not commanded by him to give 10% or face the consequences. That is what PN and prosperity preachers like him are trying convince members to believe.
Agreed...he finally came throughOriginally posted by nmerritt11:
Honestly...TAINT is the only reason I keep coming back to thread
Capitalized for maximum effectOriginally posted by Tigris Maximus:
like always, this thread is FULL OF HYPOCRISY.
I wish the webmasters wouldn't allow slander on this site.
That's all I will say.
TAINT does it betterOriginally posted by tiger-gal2:
Capitalized for maximum effectOriginally posted by Tigris Maximus:
like always, this thread is FULL OF HYPOCRISY.
I wish the webmasters wouldn't allow slander on this site.
That's all I will say.
OWNEROriginally posted by nmerritt11:
TAINT does it betterOriginally posted by tiger-gal2:
Capitalized for maximum effectOriginally posted by Tigris Maximus:
like always, this thread is FULL OF HYPOCRISY.
I wish the webmasters wouldn't allow slander on this site.
That's all I will say.
Originally posted by Tigris Maximus:
like always, this thread is FULL OF HYPOCRISY.
I wish the webmasters wouldn't allow slander on this site.
That's all I will say.