It is much easier to come to this conclusion with hindsight. 24 hours ago, I don't think many people thought there was a very high probability the verdict was going to be guilty even without the death penalty on the table. Most, including myself, thought a hung jury was very possible, if not likely.
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but without that lifestyle and without his luxurious pill poppin life, is he himself? Can he deal with the demons without the opioids?
Maybe he can...
Here is an article I found from the P&C about Judge Newman with some of his backstory. He is an impressive man with a fascinating life story.
Judge Newman
Judge Newman
Alex’s sentence…boom, 4 life
I was incredibly impressed with the way he handled the trial. Firm when he needed to be but overall fair, calm, humorous and engaged. Felt the energy leaving and strategic with his breaks and kept things moving along.
I don't plan on committing any double murders any time soon so its not a real issue for me. But its also a bit frightening from a privacy/big brother standpoint that your car can "testify" against you. At some point we have to be wary of being ruled by technology and devices.
Caught on video, thats your own dang problem!
I understand that. I’m just wishing we had a chance to use the firing squad.
For the record, had I been on the jury, it would have been hung, but now that he’s been found guilty, with almost no deliberation, the firing squad could and should be used!
Me too. I'm embarrassed at the number of posts that I have in this thread. The whole things perplexes me and saddens me at the same time. My family is my most precious thing on Earth and I would kill myself before harming them.
Prayers up for the Murdaugh survivors in a his crimes and that includes his other family members.
made me chuckle more than I probably should have considering the circumstances...
They didn’t put him on the stand, he told them he was going. Guaranteed you they asked him to sign something saying it was against their advice.
technology in cars helps people a whole lot more than it incriminates them. Having onstar has helped me save a lot of money on locksmiths. My wife has a special talent, or used to have, of locking keys in cars
Agree. I don’t mind him thanking the local, state, and federal agencies that participated. But he went over the top with sled. That wasn’t their A game by a long shot.
I wish he would spoken more the failures in the justice system that allowed AM, his accomplices, and even his children to believe they were above the law for so long and in the future actually follow through with ensuring that from top to bottom that our state will be fair to all citizens who come in contact with the justice system regardless of family connections or socioeconomic status.
No, the latter would be a quick way to go out. Not an expert, but I’d imagine one who knew what was coming would be in a state of shock after the first non-lethal shot. Spending however long the remainder of his life is in prison, realizing how much he’s pissed away, is probably the harder way to go for someone of his ilk.
All of the local prosecutors recused themselves early on. Alex was an assistant prosecutor in that area so there was a conflict of interest at every turn with the local. There was no alternative but to let the State take over.
Watched the verdict live at a bar / restaurant in Hampton County and there were cheers when they said GUILTY. Had to be a big kick to the nuts for Griffin and Harpootlian to have the jury decide that quickly. I don't think they are bad lawyers as much as they took on a bad case. Like others have said, I think even his lawyers thought he did it by the end of the trial.
Keep in mind the state had the shirt with the blood spatter, but did not admit it into evidence because his defense was not able to independently examine it. In the end, they did not even need that.
I really want to know what happened to Stephen Smith, and hope, for his family's sake, that whatever they learned about that crime in the early stages of this investigation will be brought to light.
Keep in mind the state had the shirt with the blood spatter, but did not admit it into evidence because his defense was not able to independently examine it. In the end, they did not even need that.
I really want to know what happened to Stephen Smith, and hope, for his family's sake, that whatever they learned about that crime in the early stages of this investigation will be brought to light.
That is definitely interesting. Surprised that many were not guilty. It has to be that they thought he was guilty but were not sure what constituted reasonable doubt.
the look on Poots face was classic when they announced it...
Brian Cranstan could play Alex. or Kiefer Sutherland
Buster - Jonah Hill
Old Murdaugh - Donald Sutherland
PawPaw -
Maggie - No Clue
Creighton Waters - Matthew McConaughey
Judge - Morgan Freeman or Samuel L Jackson
I have no love lost for Poot and Griffin but I almost feel bad for them. I get the feeling that their client continued to surprise them with his lies and was never forthcoming even with the. After the first week or so they were on their heels not knowing when their client was going to be caught in another lie they were unaware of.
Also I think Alec went on the stand because he truly believes he’s the smartest guy in the room and for decades was able to fast talk himself, his kids and his friends out of anything.
this is my guess...once they realized it did not have to be zero doubt and just that the facts lead to there being one person who could have committed it...and he was the ONLY person that could be placed there. I do not think it took a great sales person if someone was close
Much harder to switch a guilty to not guilty
There were many people during this trial who spoke very fondly of Paul, It was a side of Paul that you have to assume was genuine and existed. To me it even sounded like Jim Griffen, Crosby, Ball etc. had a better friendship with Paul than they did with Alex.
Marian Procter was adamant that Paul was not who was portrayed in the media. It is hard to square that with what happened in the boat case and the other innuendo about Gloria and the Smith kid.
The Netflix Documentary is not favorable to Paul in the least and paints a picture of a monster. It is definitely hard to square all of those things.
What’s the O’Doyle family up to these days?
this is a good start for sure...
Judge was was thinking Denzel or Jaime Fox but I can go with either of those.
Poot could have been played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman if he was still alive
I believe that it was actually 9 guilt, 2 not, 1 undecided. It took 45m to convince the 3 after reviewing the evidence that they raised questions about.
If Alex doesn’t get on the stand and confirm for the world what most people kind of thought, this may have had a different outcome. It if is a DP case, Alex probably doesn’t take the risk of getting on the stand.
Yeah. I think a lot of his problems were alcoholism. Lots of folks can be likeable but also hell on earth when drunk when they’re alcoholics
correct..from article
"Nine, including Moyer, believed the defendant was guilty, two thought he was innocent, and one was unsure," according to Moyer.
I could see Denzel as the Judge. Maybe Jamie Fox as well, but I can't get Willy Beeman out of my head.
It is always easy to figure out what you should have done after you know the outcome. They even have a saying for that. Hindsight is 20/20
Anyone else pick up on the Judge referring to “having a Tiger like Mark Tinsley coming after you”. I had to chuckle.
I don't think Alex had confidence in his team to create doubt so he wanted to try and get the sympathy doubt and get jurors who were on the fence to feel just sorry enough for him to make them doubt enough for a not guilty
Watching replay...it is amazing how detailed he can describe the sequence of the events of how he pinged Maggie's phone and how they retrieved it.
Such selective memory. You can tell when he is telling truths because he talks confident, fast, no pauses, etc.
When asked about a lie, he sits there, pauses, talks slow and uses nicknames of family members
His friends called him Timmy. When your friends have another name for you when you get drunk, that should be a sign.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? You have doubts about his guilt, but you'd be totally fine with killing him for the crime that you doubt he did?
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