Idk. I think it was the video that forced his hand. Hard to sit on the sidelines at let your lawyer admit that you lied without not only killing your own word, but all of your representation too.
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I think it’s funny that Poot said in the presser after the sentencing that they basically had no case after the finances were admitted. Sure that gave motive but I think the kennel video and the GM OnStar data was what did him in. And every juror that has spoke basically states the kennel video was what sealed it for them because he was there and lied about it
This. It is amazing that the firm has only had to repay the victims but no further action has been taken. There is no way that the partners or CFO were unaware
I would agree. The kennel video/onstar data were quite damning. Carried the most weight with me, too. You can't sanitize that. You can't get around that if you're the defense. No amount of expert witnesses, no amount of muddying the waters, can change that.
I think that's because the admittance of the financial crimes as motive is the only prayer they have on appeal. And even that seems flimsy (from my layman's brain).
Oh yeah he’s been working that since it happened. Asked for a damn mistrial over it likely knowing he was not getting it but knew as they ventured down the path of evidence that was gonna be the only thing to grasp onto
I'm curious what they will appeal. I'm not an attorney (nor a juror) but some of the stuff that was allowed in didn't prove anything other than Alex was an a$$hole. The financial crimes weren't really about motive it was to get to character to overcome the feeling of "no dad could kill his own family like that." In a circumstantial case like this, I could see that being a huge issue for appeal.
But, Alex did himself in with his testimony and the video. He proved himself as an a$$hole and the video proved he was there. They didn't need the financial info.
Its like complaining about a call a ref made at the end of a game, when you lost by 30.
Absolutely fascinating about him changing his style because of the narcissism.
It's laughable to pin an appeal on the allegedly wrongful inclusion of his financial crimes.
The financial stuff was admissible all damn day.
I think it was absolutely motive and they did a good job of using it as tha and not just focusing on the financial crimes. Paul's trial was about to bring down an entire empire. All of AM financial crimes among other things were about to be exposed. AM did not want that trial to happen. He felt that if he killed Paul, he could figure out his next con to maneuver his way around the financial shit he had just got called out on.
I am with ya on not needing it but adding in the motive just made the case stronger. But remember they did not have the GM data that proved to be very big in this case until late. Not sure why the defense wanted it in evidence as well
I guess they felt they could make the timeline seem impossible which it clearly was not
Buster's no longer a named defendent in any cases, correct? If I were him and this $4 million inheritance from Randolph is true and safe from lawsuits, I'd be finding a way to get that money into my hands since my dad is going to be spending the rest of his life in concrete cell.
Thanks for sharing Cris! Loved to hear the behind the scenes and mind behind the star of the case!
They reopened the Stephen Smith case due to evidence they found during the murder investigation. As of January it was still an ongoing investigation.
The placement of the body and the injuries suggest murder and not hit and run. Not sure if anything will come of it but it is still open and being investigated
It’s being reported that the Murdaughs were not involved in that one although I need to see the evidence to believe it. Lots of rumors in the Lowcountry that they were involved
Especially when it was the Defense who opened the door with their own questioning....
I can see where in a majority of cases bringing in the extra stuff is inadmissable (hence the rule in place) but this was not a usual case. I fully agree with the prosecution that to understand why AM would murder his wife and son, you have to understand who he was, where he came from and what he ultimately stood to lose if these financial crimes ever came out or Paul's civil trial went to court.
And I wouldn’t believe an appeals court would grant an appeal based on the financial info. The case was lost due to the video and his lying about it, not the financial info that just helped with establishing a motive that wasn’t even required.
The Murdaugh name was mentioned 40 times in the investigation notes. Randy called and offered to take the case for free which seemed sketchy and multiple people stated Buster was involved.
I am not sure what evidence they found in the murder investigation to make them reopen it but in the last few days Sandy, Stephen's mom, has been talking with media and they have said they have made progress recently in the case?
I have no idea but I know Buster's name is still being mentioned in that case
yep and the jurors who are doing interviews have said as much and they talk more about the lies of the night of the murders and rarely even mention the financial piece
I wonder if it was only before the video surfaced that the defense wanted the GM data. Alex knew there wasn’t going to be anything in the data that put him at the kennels. The video shattered that story and only made it clear how much time he had before he got out of Dodge.
The Murdaughs were involved somehow, and we can tell this because:
1. He was murdered in Hampton County
2. There was almost no investigation and it was ruled a hit and run
This is a case that was obviously swept under the rug. If no Murdaugh is implicated, it gets investigated. Easy to connect those dots.
And I thought it was interesting that the Clemson juror pointed out the same thing that someone pointed out here. He didn’t need to lie about being at the kennels unless he knew the time of death.
the video surfaced long before the GM data. The trial had already begun before the OnStar data was obtained
I hear you, and I am still suspicious. Just saying that Fitsnews, who has been on top of this story from the beginning, is reporting that it was drug related, and the Murdaughs were not involved.
yeah I am just relaying what has been discussed the last couple days. But I am sure families will still come after the money Buster inherits but I would also not be surprised if he knows where some offshore money is
Dang, don't shoot the messenger! I am just passing along information that is being reported from a source that has been at the forefront of this story from the beginning. I just wish they could get some answers one way or another to give the family some peace.
I guess this is where me being a layperson who basically followed via podcast gets twisted with the laws. To me, its a big leap to go from white collar/federal tennis court prison crimes to possible death penalty crimes. Thats not the usual the criminal trajectory. You want to hide financial crimes, move to Bermuda, not kill your family. What admitting the financial crimes did was make Alex out to be a desperate, evil man capable of anything, which is character.
The podcast with Charlie Condon made it seem like this was a big risk for the prosecution and judge on appeal. Alex hung himself on so many other things, unless working in the financial crimes was the bait to get Alex on the stand.
I don't understand why they did not push back further on the time of death. Maybe I missed it in the trial, but I don't think their forensic experts challenged the timeline. Instead they said it was two shooters with one of them being a midget.
The prosecution still had the fact that Maggie/Paul's phones went silent after kennel visit, so I don't think it would have helped much but could have created some doubt.
I wouldn't say it is laughable. I think it is a legitimate legal question. Can you use evidence of a crime that has not been proven in a court of law as a motive for an additional crime? I'm really surprised Alex did not plead the 5th on those accounts, but he certainly dug is own grave by admitting to them and taking the stand to remove any doubt he is a habitual liar.
They did try to say that it was not possible in the timeframe laid out but did not do a good job of it. They tried to say no way he could have gotten cleaned up, changed, and gotten rid of everything that fast. They kept trying to say "you think he drove the golf cart naked?"
They did a horrible job but tried
A defense attorney has a difficult job with a client like AM. He inherits the facts, the liar, and the video evidence. Rabbits 🐇 from hats aren't a real thing.
Yup. If you are balancing your books every month, you just don't all of a sudden say "Oh my goodness, we are missing $7 million."
Which podcast was that? I also wonder why he did not leave the country after the murders and before everyone was on to him if the money is in fact offshore.
Here is exactly what the SC Rule of Evidence says about that. There is also a substantial body of caselaw further interpreting 404(b) evidence.
(b) Other Crimes, Wrongs, or Acts. Evidence of other crimes, wrongs, or acts is not admissible to prove the character of a person in order to show action in conformity therewith. It may, however, be admissible to show motive, identity, the existence of a common scheme or plan, the absence of mistake or accident, or intent.
I doubt there is offshore money. If there was, he wouldn't really be in financial distress.
It's a legitimate legal question if he doesn't incriminate himself.
He incriminated himself.
Please explain why they would knowingly allowing him to steal from clients and themselves.
Seriously, the fees aren’t a receivable to the firm until Alex tells them it’s a receivable to the firm. And client payouts aren’t payouts until Alex tells them it belongs in the trust account.
A personal injury law firm isn’t like a normal business where you send someone an invoice and then the AR clerk is waiting for payment. Personal injury law firms aren’t paid until the case is closed and the lawyer notifies the firm or sends the CFO the disbursement sheet. Unless you have the CFO tracking every case every lawyer has to ensure payment is received, which they obviously didn’t do (and I imagine most personal injury law firms don’t do).
The client payouts were sent to a fake company with a very similar name to the real company. The only way that would be found out is if the CFO talked to the real company or reviewed the cancelled checks or a client complained.
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