⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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I think some of you are forgetting or maybe you have never witnessed a drug addict, but they do some crazy things when they are spaced out on drugs…as the judge said “the monster you were that day”. Alex may not even remember what he did. Hallucinations are very common as well during this blackout period. He is guilty regardless.
I agree but when parents do as little as possible to help their children learn it is just another chip against them in life. Why do that. They fully supported, backed and encouraged Paul's wild drunken behavior and never had him suffer consequences.
you also said you would vote to acquit him because of your theory that he did not pull the trigger (which meant he was charged with the wrong crime)
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About the Judgement, we all will stand before God.
As for " selectively fought back so hard on this one thread.".... I think that's a little strong.
And, I don't do the penny stocks either.
Before it became national headlines, it seemed to me that the 'other' board was the place for it.
Obviously many, many more people disagreed.
To me, though having been reeled in by a lack of other good topics, it's still not the place.
And, I wonder why someone else's tradgedy is so terribly attractive to other people; especially other people it does not affect.
We've had Darcy.
We've had that Spartanburg/Charlotte Country Club thing.
There will be others.
I mean..... it IS a Recruiting/Sports site, though, right?
I think there's a place for all that kind of other stuff and ...overall... it's not on a Sports site, especially a Clemson University focused recruiting site.
For the most part, I guessing that's Facebook, I suppose.
I don't do that either.
At the same time, bickering and all, this has become a TI family in a strange way that I bet excites Chris. The various information shared, and this site in particular, has gone far past Sports and has become 'a friend' to many.
Myself included.
We don't all see eye to eye.
That's the way is should be.
Yep ol...ol Roger Dale Davis Jr. I bet those t-posts are driven so that they are the exact same height.
I'm somewhat in that hybrid boat. He was far more than a witness, but I'm not 100% sure he killed both people. And I think it was more of a crime of passion than a planned event. The timeline of deaths were very tight for him to switch guns and the way he sloppily created an alibi screams more desperation than planning. I could believe a story where it was an argument within the family that got out of hand. Bad kid, drug abusing father, bunch of guns around, couple of chained up dogs. Dang, now that I write it out, if you take out the financial side and the "reputable family" it sounds like any Saturday night in the trailer park.
2 guns, 2 quick killings, opposite directions, just doesn't possible for drug addled man.
I'm sure he pulled A trigger and I would still vote to convict him of murder and send him away for the rest of his life.
I don't think Alex nor his posse (Cousin Eddie etc) had the ability to tightly coordinate a double murder and then been dead silent afterwards. Even if they do that and did pull it off Alex would've put it on the other guy the first time LE told him he was being investigated. It was only Alex in my view.
Yeah, I think at most its Alex and either Paul or Maggie. Certainly nobody outside the 3 people there that night.
I'm still saying Alex did it. But I could possibly be persuaded that there is more to the story of what happened that night.
Whatever happened to the drug bust some were mentioning? Did it fall through the cracks?
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I agree with this. One statement that has stuck with me this entire time is when Alex said he would not intentionally hurt Paul and Maggie. Emphasis on intentionally. I think this is extremely telling. In his drugged up mind, he may have gone down there with the thought of killing them, but not sure if he would go through with it. Of course he did, and in his drugged addled, narcissistic mind, he didn't "intentionally" do it. And being the lawyer that he is, that is why he qualified it on the stand.
Food for thought.
Alex Murdaugh fallout: Death of Buster Murdaugh's high school classmate back in spotlight after verdict
The 2015 death of Stephen Smith in Hampton, South Carolina, has come under the spotlight after a jury found Alex Murdaugh guilty of murdering his wife and son in 2021.
IMHO, ROGER DALE was a key (and probably under appreciated) witness.....if not a Rock Star for his "if you're man enough!!" comment about hunting hogs without a gun. GO TIGERS!
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There is nothing that is universally agreed on… But I don’t think there are as many who really think Alex didn’t do it. Some of the contrarians on this board are just enjoying the role they have played. I don’t think they really believe in his innocence.
The problem with it not being a planned event is that he left his phone in the house. Maybe it was accidental, but in the context of everything else, it looks very planned, and that means he planned to kill them.
Planned indeed. Didn't the evidence reveal he lured Maggie to Moselle against her plans and desire. I seem to remember several posts stating that he arranged for Paw Paw to be there as well.
The reasons I’m skeptical of the planning are
1) it was sloppy. If it went according to a plan you’d think he’d be lying in wait and have a more solid alibi. He knows all about police tactics.
2) he tried to hide evidence of Maggie (gun and her phone) but not Paul (granted you can’t ballistics a shotgun) but his phone was waiting for the police.
Maybe it was planned, but it wasn’t supposed to be a DOUBLE murder. Maybe it was only supposed to be Paul and the cover was revenge for the boat crash.
Other than curiosity of understanding everything it really doesn’t matter. He’s still guilty and deserves to spend the rest of his life in a cage.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought it was opposite. It was rumored before the trial that he begged Maggie to come, but I thought her sister refuted that in court.
Could be I’m reversing podcasts.
Her sister carries tremendous guilt over her last conversation with Maggie. Maggie didn't want to head to Moselle but her sister said it was the right thing to do under the circumstances. Her husband's Daddy was dying, he asked her to come home, and Maggie did, as the dutiful wife.
AM asked Paul to come home to replant the sunflower field.
AM lured them both. I suspect he killed Maggie because she was onto his financial issues. He killed Paul because Paul unraveled the yarn and maybe the boating suit would be dropped if Paul was dead.
AM, the narcissist, almost got away with these murders.....but for the Snapchat video 📹.
Last line sounds like a Scooby-Doo mystery. "And he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling kid's snapchat." Lol
I think it was planned but he probably was not sure he would actually do it until the moment of truth.
I could believe that. Planned, but then panicked.
I still think it was a fit of rage over something...likely missing pills...but something he had considered before. I think he forgot that he didn't have his phone and found Maggie's and thought it was his. Picked it up and decided he needed to dispose of it.
Personally, I'm pretty happy he did such a crappy job with the murder if it was going to happy regardless. That said, I've long held the theory that AM had help from CE in the actual murder and that his "attempted suicide" was in reality a botched attempted murder of CE so he could pin the crime on him. Maybe Eddie got the drop on AM and maybe he held some piece of damming evidence as leverage.
Think about it, suppose Paul's phone is never cracked or the video never recorded or AM gets rid of the phone. Suppose further that AM kills Eddie and pins the murders on him at the same time. I still think the financial crimes come out and AM is sunk, but he might have seen that as a way out.
BTW, I got some inside dirt last night. This is from inside the Taj Mahal. Alex would send an intern across the street to the Murdaugh family bank with an $80k check. He would bring back cash and give it to AM. He would be in a closed-door meeting for an hour or more with Flemming, the bank president, and the sheriff. Maybe AM coincidentally wanted cash for some other purpose, or maybe those were payoffs.
Do the body language experts have credibility? Does that credibility hold for narcissists? Does that credibility extend to sociopaths?
I put such experts in the same category as palm readers and astrologists. They seem to get a lot of air time on crime tv.
I put such experts in the same category as palm readers and astrologists. They seem to get a lot of air time on crime tv.
Only one person knows but the evidence against a possible "fit of rage" scenario would be the rapid escalation from a seemingly innocent snapchat with a somewhat humorous "dog and a chicken family scene" to violence and 2 folks laying dead in a matter of 3-5 minutes. That just doesn't seem as likely as a fully planned and executed "family annihilation". But as the wise Judge Newman asked: "What were you thinking when you decided to pull the trigger?" Would love to know the answer to that!! Will always remain a very sad story regardless of what the real truth is.
While I do believe that there is some science and legitimate studies to support some of their stuff, they all certainly give themselves plenty of "wiggle room" (pun intended) for virtually all of their conclusions. Still amazed at how effortlessly AM was able to lie, even convincingly so, on the fly.
I don't know. That seems like evidence FOR a fit of rage. After the fun with the dog, maybe that is when Maggie & Paul confronted Alex about the drugs. Or maybe Alex asked them where they put his drugs and they said they flushed them.
I doubt we ever find out what really happened.
