I’d rather listen to Fran Drescher than the girl on that podcast. Also…if I have to hear her say “my fiancé” one more time, there may be one more in the Murdaugh Saga body count.
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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Makes sense to me ….. only thing I would add is rehab is a coverup for witness protection of some sort.He should probably be dead. I just have a hard time seeing how it was self-inflicted without obvious evidence that it was, and too high risk to have been staged. I also have a hard time believing that someone just randomly passes you as you fix a slashed run-flat tire, turns around and shoots you in the head without a strong motive.
And the mother’s phone that was found on the side of the road down the road from the property is interesting too. How does that get there and why, if Alex pulled the trigger on either of the murders?
What I laid out is the only thing I can come up with that fits. It could easily be totally wrong too
Waiting for the next puzzle piece to surface…
Right? I just have a really hard time believing an actual defense lawyer( if he was still working trials at all) is an opioid addict. Pretty hard to convince a jury of anything If your eyes are having a hard time staying awake. Maybe cocaine. Heroin/opioids not so much.
I immediately thought the same thing...Cocaine, I can see. Opioids nahhhh
Well he’s one of the more famous plaintiff lawyers (or at least is a partner at a famous firm) in the state. So the opposite of a defense lawyer.
Edit - WAS a partner
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More twists:
people.com
'Good Samaritan' Drove a Bleeding Alex Murdaugh to the Hospital After Shooting, His Lawyer Says
Murdaugh's lawyer says his client suffered 'an entry and exit wound, a skull fracture, and minor brain bleeding in two places' when he was shot on Saturday — and that it was not self-inflicted
I doubt contract killers would use a 22 to shoot Alex and I doubt they would do it and not finish the job.
Still fits "Bosch's" theory. Someone intentionally tried to kill him just a day or two after the solicitor recused himself because of something SLED discovered. Why wait three months if someone wanted to kill him out of hate? What is to be gained by staging something like this? It just calls more attention to the fact that someone had a reason to kill him within days of a SLED discovery. Why commit suicide on the side of a road while changing a tire?More twists:
'Good Samaritan' Drove a Bleeding Alex Murdaugh to the Hospital After Shooting, His Lawyer Says
Murdaugh's lawyer says his client suffered 'an entry and exit wound, a skull fracture, and minor brain bleeding in two places' when he was shot on Saturday — and that it was not self-inflicted
The only thing that seems to make sense is that someone had a strong need to kill him due to SLED finding something that pointed to Alex.
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And how does the police report not include the fact that the victim was not found at the scene?
I like the theory above but this is definitely a hole in it. Especially since whoever killed the mom and son left no doubt.
And how does the police report not include the fact that the victim was not found at the scene?
I think the "vocal fry" is Matney's actual speaking voice - as opposed to something she is putting on.
Don't be so sure on the first part - this used to be the preferred assassination weapon of both the CIA and the Mafia (supposedly):
....with a silencer on it. Use subsonic ammo and it is quiet and damn near untracable since .22 hollowpoints break up on impact (you still have the sound of the action working but that noise doesn't carry as far as a gunshot). They also tend to penetrate the skull but not exit - they bounce around like a pinball.
Supposedly anyway.
Second part - hard to say. If the "assassin" just picked his weapon based off of what they heard about what to use, or if they just happened to see Murdaugh and decided they wanted him dead and had a .22 in the car (and therefore were too sloppy to finish the job)....
Only thing for sure is that this is getting weird.
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I agree. But I suspect that the "hitmen" are really just a couple of local Bubbas that Alex knew. I wouldn't think that pros would be living and staying in the backwoods of low country SC.
CU Alumnus makes another great point that I didn't know. I'm far from an expert in the area
They could conceivably come in for the job. I guess. But let's be real - 'mob hits' are probably a lot more rare than people think, and I seriously doubt this was one.I agree. But I suspect that the "hitmen" are really just a couple of local Bubbas that Alex knew. I wouldn't think that pros would be living and staying in the backwoods of low country SC.
CU Alumnus makes another great point that I didn't know. I'm far from an expert in the area
But I think you're right. Either it was self inflicted (which would be loony as hell) or it was one or more amateurs who happened upon Alex and had their squirrel rifle handy. Could be relatives of Mallory Beach. I'd bet that whole incident really pissed a lot of the 'common folk' in that area off.
If I wanted to solve who tried to kill Alex I would look at the Cook brothers. Specifically Anthony. Dude was PISSED after the accident.
People can go off the deep end when their relatives are killed. I know a story about a little girl who was killed and the killer was caught. The girl's brother started getting into trouble - everyone assumed he was acting out because of the loss of his sister had affected him. Eventually he was arrested and sent to a pretty major prison.
Same one as the guy who killed his sister.
You can guess what happened next...
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I think that the slashed run-flat tire that would go flat later as the car was driven is a key point. It indicates that the shooter(s) was not just a random passer by. The shooter slashed the tire because he wanted to kill Alex out on the desolate road by himself that he knew Alex would travel. He expected to see him on the side of the road with a flat tire.
And the timing was too close the the solicitor recusing himself. Someone who was just very pissed off could have cared less about the recusal and would have gone after Alex weeks or months before. Just seems too coincidental to me to have the two closely timed events, recusal and shooting, not be associated. And why would the recusal prompt someone to now kill Alex? Seems like there would have to be something that he/they were afraid would get divulged if Alex got arrested.
Where does the information fit in that the knife used to slash the tire was "connected" to Alex?
maybe the goal wasnt to kill him .... yet .... maybe the goal is to torment him and his family like he and his family have tormented others. Make him fearful, make him suffer .... then kill him ????I agree. But I suspect that the "hitmen" are really just a couple of local Bubbas that Alex knew. I wouldn't think that pros would be living and staying in the backwoods of low country SC.
CU Alumnus makes another great point that I didn't know. I'm far from an expert in the area
Possibly, but it was sure very close to the timing of the solicitor recusing himself because of something that SLED had shared with him that morning. It just seems to me that revenge/torment could have been performed any time during the previous three months. Why just a day or two after the solicitor announcement when the solicitor had indicated earlier that he would only have to recuse himself if Alex was implicated?
It could simply be pure coincidence though.
That complicates things a lot. That could be an erroneous report - knives don't leave 'fingerprints' or ballistic info. One Buck Hunter is gonna leave the same kind of slash in a tire as the next one. Or maybe it was stolen from his home or office when they cut the tire - they stole it and slashed the tire and left it somewhere.
This is just weird, man.
If I had to guess I'd say coincidence. But that is purely a guess.
There was a cop who seemed to sympathize with Anthony Cook, who took the statement that Timmeh (Paul) was driving the boat when nobody else did, and who was fired later for something supposedly unrelated. Maybe he decided to grind his ax?
Like most of the "facts" and basis for this theory that are in the public, the "connection" seems to be a bit blurry.
But I agree that if the knife is truly connected to Alex, then that works against the theory. Is it realistic that a shooter decided to find a knife on Alex's property to slash the tire? Seems like he would just bring his own. On the flip side, I'm not sure how a specific knife can be connected to a slash and it sure seems risky for Alex to have staged the entire thing himself, and for what real purpose?
Because you do in fact know the answer to at least one of those questions. Knowing and knowing enough to formally charge/indict are not the same thing.
I tried to listen to it with my wife and we just made fun of her vocal fry the whole time. Made it about 15 minutes into the first episode and had to bail.
Howard ruined me with this.😂. Did you get to the second episode where she was pussed everyone was complaining about vocal fry. She loses the fry for about 5 minutes….. It’s hysterical
I’m gonna play it for my wife tonight. She will turn it off in a minute. Your user name is awesome, Thought about my user name being Romeo Blues…. Bye for now!
You're right that I doubt they'd leave without finishing the job but on every NCIS, NCIS: LA, and NCIS: NOLA episode I've ever seen the hitmen / foreign operatives are using small caliber weapons such as a .22 and you know the Navy wouldn't lie to us.
Opioids don't have that effect on everyone, especially at reasonable dosages. In fact, for a lot of people opioids produce a stimulant type effect until the dosage reaches a certain point and then you get what you described. Unfortunately I know this from first hand experience because I was able to function in the work place just fine for the first couple of years of my opioid addiction. It wasn't until things had spun completely out of control that others finally started to see the outward signs.
This backs up some of the info on the Ruger 22's use by the CIA/SOF. No mention of the Mafia though - sorry.
www.smallarmsreview.com
The Ruger / MAC MKI: Vietnam's Silent Service - Small Arms Review
By J. David Truby
www.smallarmsreview.com
Pure speculation: Perhaps Alex was/is part of a larger group. He performed his part of a diversion plan, slashing his tires, etc. - but in the end it was a setup. And maybe the first assassins at Moselle aren't the same as these, so they got the head shot, but sped off and didn't realize they left him alive. Now he's a confirmed target, and obviously may flip as a witness/co-conspirator, so the cops have him in protection.
Oh he was working for sure. He just took the case in July of a girl injured in a boat incident. Think about that...
So you are trying to claim that a day after Alex was fired, Anthony Cook or someone related to him just so happened to shoot Alex? Cmon man.
Three days after the murders Alex was due in court for the Beech civil case where a judge was supposed to rule on a motion requiring he and his son Buster (who was being sued by the Beech's as well) had to hand over financial disclosures. He obviously didn't want that to happen with this embezzlement going on. If you look up county tax records he is late on several tax bills. Alex was broke and he needed to get out of this court dilemma while also getting Maggie's life insurance.
I agree. The motive being that Alex did not want to perform a financial disclosure for either the wrongful death trial nor a divorce settlement because of the embezzlement that was going on, seems like a much stronger motive than someone being pissed off and not acting on it (again) until 3 months later just when the focus may be shifting even more to Alex.
And I don't understand why he would want to commit suicide while changing a tire. It can't be that he wanted the suicide to look like a murder. Laying dead on the ground with a gun in your hand would seem to look more like a self-inflicted execution than a murder to me.
Are y’all crazy?
The knife is connected to Alex bc they found where he threw it in woods I bet, It also probably had blood on it from his superficial gunshot wound…
aka he used knife to make himself bleed digging off part of face or skull
slashed tire
threw it in woods
How eise would they know so quickly it was his knife?
Part that remains interesting….
Was this diversion to escape on chopper?
The knife is connected to Alex bc they found where he threw it in woods I bet, It also probably had blood on it from his superficial gunshot wound…
aka he used knife to make himself bleed digging off part of face or skull
slashed tire
threw it in woods
How eise would they know so quickly it was his knife?
Part that remains interesting….
Was this diversion to escape on chopper?
I gotta tell ya, I think the TI sleuths have made great progress in the last two days. I can’t wait for the ending.
It may get more interesting. Apparently there was a church camera pointing at the location of the shooting. SLED confiscated the video before anyone could look at it.
Knowing what SLED knows would sure make this detective work a lot easier
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Knowing what SLED knows would sure make this detective work a lot easier
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