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⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

You guys make some great points. I think the only reason the calls made me think Alex didn’t do it was just hearing bud voice humanized him more to me than expected.

another poster made great point that keep in mind those are the few calls FITS wanted us to hear.
 
I think the SOB should rot in hell for everything else he has done. Even if you take the murders away he is one evil bastard.
^^^^ This ^^^^
Honestly I couldn’t care less about him killing his family. They all sound like self-important, entitled assholes anyway.

He should get the death penalty for the bullshit he pulled on that poor deaf, paralyzed kid and his family. Better yet, I hope he spends a long time in jail where he becomes the bottom bitch for the meanest gang of thugs in the SC penal system.
 
^^^^ This ^^^^
Honestly I couldn’t care less about him killing his family. They all sound like self-important, entitled assholes anyway.

He should get the death penalty for the bullshit he pulled on that poor deaf, paralyzed kid and his family. Better yet, I hope he spends a long time in jail where he becomes the bottom bitch for the meanest gang of thugs in the SC penal system.

If you listen to the prison calls, AM seems to believe he'll get out of jail. Justice process has to play out, but I'm not so sure that he'll get out anytime soon.

As a result of the cumulative nature of these crimes, national coverage resulted. That's changed the good ole boy low country justice system where it's likely he would have gotten mulligans for all crimes.
 
If you listen to the prison calls, AM seems to believe he'll get out of jail. Justice process has to play out, but I'm not so sure that he'll get out anytime soon.

As a result of the cumulative nature of these crimes, national coverage resulted. That's changed the good ole boy low country justice system where it's likely he would have gotten mulligans for all crimes.

Yep, AM seems to have a very skewed perception of reality.

1) he's not getting out of prison anytime soon as he seems to think. He took advantage of and stole a lot from many. He's going to be made an example of. Additionally, I personally think investigators know AM was involved with the murders, but they also know they'll have a tough time proving it. Therefore, they are going to come down extra hard for the other crimes to make sure AM serves his time.

2) he talks about being to pay family back. Can't see any of his assets going anywhere but to those he stole from. He won't have anything to speak of at the end of this.

3) he talks about getting Buster readmitted into law school. The guy was allegedly kicked out of school for cheating. That's a pretty tough hill to climb by itself. Add in the fact that AM has completely tainted the family name, and no school is going to touch Buster - not even Uof.
 
3) he talks about getting Buster readmitted into law school. The guy was allegedly kicked out of school for cheating. That's a pretty tough hill to climb by itself. Add in the fact that AM has completely tainted the family name, and no school is going to touch Buster - not even Uof.
I think that's why he was really stressing that this would be the last chance and couldn't/wouldn't get another shot, and really needed to try to take care of it ASAP.

Even still, AM has a skewed view of what he still has, what he has access to, and what he's still capable of given his new circumstances.
 
Even though AM is lower than whale sh*t, I agree with his lawyers about the phone calls. Its one thing for the prison and law enforcement personnel to have access to the calls, its quite another for the public to have access to them. Another thing about FITS news. On one of the recent podcasts they made much ado about the property that was bought as if it must be related to drug trafficking without a shred of evidence. They also made a big deal out of the properties being purchased in the names of LLC's as if AM was trying hide something. Every piece of investment property I own is in the name of a LLC. Its a liability issue nothing more.
 
Even though AM is lower than whale sh*t, I agree with his lawyers about the phone calls. Its one thing for the prison and law enforcement personnel to have access to the calls, its quite another for the public to have access to them. Another thing about FITS news. On one of the recent podcasts they made much ado about the property that was bought as if it must be related to drug trafficking without a shred of evidence. They also made a big deal out of the properties being purchased in the names of LLC's as if AM was trying hide something. Every piece of investment property I own is in the name of a LLC. Its a liability issue nothing more.
And they act as of the $5 "sale price" on the deed means someone actually paid $5 for it. Most recordings I see have $5 listed as amount
 
Even though AM is lower than whale sh*t, I agree with his lawyers about the phone calls. Its one thing for the prison and law enforcement personnel to have access to the calls, its quite another for the public to have access to them. Another thing about FITS news. On one of the recent podcasts they made much ado about the property that was bought as if it must be related to drug trafficking without a shred of evidence. They also made a big deal out of the properties being purchased in the names of LLC's as if AM was trying hide something. Every piece of investment property I own is in the name of a LLC. Its a liability issue nothing more.
This is why Mandy’s 15 mins is up with me I unfollowed her podcast. It’s a shame you can’t get any shred of unbiased news anymore. The story is crazy enough just tell the facts. She’s too invested and is tainted in the way she’s giving out information or insinuations. She should probably keep some of those peoples names out of her mouth unless she plans to relocate out of SC. It started as a good series to listen to but it’s turned into total slanted coverage and lots and lots of spitballing that well her “news” site is know for.
 
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This is why Mandy’s 15 mins is up with me I unfollowed her podcast. It’s a shame you can’t get any shred of unbiased news anymore. The story is crazy enough just tell the facts. She’s too invested and is tainted in the way she’s giving out information or insinuations. She should probably keep some of those peoples names out of her mouth unless she plans to relocate out of SC. It started as a good series to listen to but it’s turned into total slanted coverage and lots and lots of spitballing that well her “news” site is know for.
I'm not a fan of Mandy Matney, but I do listen to her podcasts and try to discern the information and news amongst all the other noise.

That being said, I feel that her last couple of podcasts have been much better. She has turned down the self-righteousness and self-promotion and is doing a better job providing us with informative news.
 
I think a lot of things FITS hears off the record shape what they are reporting. That said, the new girl on there strikes me as the type who would slash your tires.
 
If he did half the shit he’s been charged with, I have a hard time believing he has a conscience. He may not have pulled the triggers but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s involved.

I found Buster to be the most interesting person in the calls. Alex clearly sees him as his legacy.
Horrible fate for Buster. He should move away, change his name and see if he can escape his family of origin issues.
 
Even though AM is lower than whale sh*t, I agree with his lawyers about the phone calls. Its one thing for the prison and law enforcement personnel to have access to the calls, its quite another for the public to have access to them. Another thing about FITS news. On one of the recent podcasts they made much ado about the property that was bought as if it must be related to drug trafficking without a shred of evidence. They also made a big deal out of the properties being purchased in the names of LLC's as if AM was trying hide something. Every piece of investment property I own is in the name of a LLC. Its a liability issue nothing more.
Why? My tax dollars pay for his room, board, and phone calls and everyone knows the calls are being recorded.
 
I think the public has no vital interest in hearing the details of a conversation with members of an inmate's family.
 
I think the public has no vital interest in hearing the details of a conversation with members of an inmate's family.
You don’t have to show a vital interest for a FOIA request. Anyone can request these in a FOIA.

The inmate and everyone knows the calls are being recorded. So, no expectation of privacy.
 
I think the public has no vital interest in hearing the details of a conversation with members of an inmate's family.
There are legislative tests for determining what information is subject to release via the Freedom of Information Act. No reason to customize the test based upon subject matter or to introduce subjectivity into the process.

Follow the law. Release what is required. Refuse to release the rest. They need to sort this out and if the information was not subject for release, refuse to release further information if it is allowed for release, AM should be more considered in his communications.

If I were him, I'd have all questionable conversations with my legal counsel and claim attorney-client privilege. His whole family seems to be lawyers, maybe he should hire them en masse (and Buster needs to get through law school rapidly 🙄) and claim privileged conversations. AM knows the angles to cheat the system.
 
Like I said I was just on the property. A ground disturbance the size of a car, more or less multiple cars being removed would have been easily spotted in the areas that it would have been possible to bury them. Sorry I brought real first hand knowledge to the conversation. Now carry on with your conspiracies


I have no conspiracy theory. I have no idea whether anything was buried there. My point is - neither do you. Your assumption that you would've easily spotted anything is hilarious.


Also, you should've bought it.
 
Judge Mullen & settlements.

We'll obviously see more on this as the case(s) evolve(s), but the only thing that concerns me here is that a solicitor filed the complaint. It may be that we've become hyper vigilant on this case in particular, or there could be more to the story. That said, I know Judge Mullen pretty well and have nothing but good things to say about her character and professionalism. Beaufort and Hampton counties are definitely good ole boys clubs, the latter being worse than the former.

Given the timing of when this occurred, it would be beyond shocking if she thought there was anything untoward going on. I find this far less concerning than how the son's arrest and arraignment was handled by local law enforcement. Afterwards, a local paper did a side by side comparison of how typical people get arrested, booked, and ultimately bailed out vs how it went for "Timmie". One side looked like scared straight and the other looked like he was signing up for college classes with assistance from the dean.
 
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We'll obviously see more on this as the case(s) evolve(s), but the only thing that concerns me here is that a solicitor filed the complaint. It may be that we've become hyper vigilant on this case in particular, or there could be more to the story. That said, I know Judge Mullen pretty well and have nothing but good things to say about her character and professionalism. Beaufort and Hampton counties are definitely good ole boys clubs, the latter being worse than the former.

Given the timing of when this occurred, it would be beyond shocking if she thought there was anything untoward going on. I find this far less concerning than how the son's arrest and arraignment was handled by local law enforcement. Afterwards, a local paper did a side by side comparison of how typical people get arrested, booked, and ultimately bailed out vs how it went for "Timmie". One side looked like scared straight and the other looked like he was signing up for college classes with assistance from the dean.
I wish someone locally could digitize and distribute that newspaper article (assuming it isn't already available - I would need more keywords to find it myself). That sounds intriguing.
 
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The podcast definitely defies journalistic integrity and they have certainly inserted themselves into the bigger story. That said, someone needs to get to the bottom of the corruption and if it’s them, I’m all for it.

Who did Alex prosecute? If I’m sitting in jail and he’s the prosecutor, I’m screaming to get out. The 20 yr drug addiction admission alone seems like it would provide cause whether it’s really true or not.
 
The podcast definitely defies journalistic integrity and they have certainly inserted themselves into the bigger story. That said, someone needs to get to the bottom of the corruption and if it’s them, I’m all for it.

Who did Alex prosecute? If I’m sitting in jail and he’s the prosecutor, I’m screaming to get out. The 20 yr drug addiction admission alone seems like it would provide cause whether it’s really true or not.
Not sure if he ever was a prosecutor. Sounds like the family of lawyers were into injury/insurance lawsuits. One of the earlier revelations was that there was a law/rule, that allowed for moving or filing lawsuits to Hampton from anywhere so they could influence the jury/judge to help in their favor. I think the law has changed in the last 10 years, but it was one of the reasons their lawfirm was so prolific over 2 or 3 generations of Murdaughs.
 
Not sure if he ever was a prosecutor. Sounds like the family of lawyers were into injury/insurance lawsuits. One of the earlier revelations was that there was a law/rule, that allowed for moving or filing lawsuits to Hampton from anywhere so they could influence the jury/judge to help in their favor. I think the law has changed in the last 10 years, but it was one of the reasons their lawfirm was so prolific over 2 or 3 generations of Murdaughs.

This article linked describes how you can move/file a lawsuit in Hampton county even if an accident happened elsewhere.




From 1992 to 2002, PMPED filed four dozen personal injury cases against CSX, and from 1995 to 2002, CSX paid $18.8 million in verdicts and settlements, stated a 2002 Forbes magazine article, “Home Court Advantage.” The majority of those cases involved railroad accidents that took place outside of the county but were filed in Hampton County Court of Common Pleas due to the state venue laws of the day, which allowed for more “venue shopping."

Under the laws of that time, if a company such as CSX owned property or did business in Hampton County, a lawsuit against that company could be brought to Hampton, even if the train crash and the people involved lived in another S.C. county.

From the PMPED point of view, these cases brought in much-needed money and relief for medical or end-of-life expenses for injured motorists or rail workers and their families, stated the firm’s website. The cases PMPED took on and won also brought about major improvements and reforms to railway and transportation safety laws and practices, saving countless lives, they contend.

With tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, locals in Hampton County dubbed the PMPED law office, one of the grandest buildings in Hampton, “CSX Towers” and “The House That CSX Built.”

Taking on the railroads became such an integral part of the family law firm’s dynasty that the Murdaughs freely and publicly joked about it.
 
Not sure if he ever was a prosecutor. Sounds like the family of lawyers were into injury/insurance lawsuits. One of the earlier revelations was that there was a law/rule, that allowed for moving or filing lawsuits to Hampton from anywhere so they could influence the jury/judge to help in their favor. I think the law has changed in the last 10 years, but it was one of the reasons their lawfirm was so prolific over 2 or 3 generations of Murdaughs.
He worked for the prosecutor some. It’s been stated in several articles.
 
He worked for the prosecutor some. It’s been stated in several articles.
Yep. The article I linked (or another I read) said he worked as a volunteer prosecutor, but never ran for solicitor of the 14th circuit. His father, grandfather, & great grandfather were solicitors and did a mix of civil law and prosecuting case.
 
From FitsNews, Chad Westendorf's deposition in the Gloria Satterfield case.

How in the wide world of sports does a Vice President of a bank and the President of the SC independent bankers association not understand what fiduciary means. How anyone working in banking or finance doesn’t know that term blows my mind.

This guy comes off as a complete patsy but if he’s not he’s a heck of an actor.
 
Not sure the link will come through, but another complaint against Judge Mullen was renewed. Not sure if meritorious or not, but seems like the Low Country is sorting itself out.


Pascoe would seemingly be going after Mullen because she didn't side with him in the Rick Quinn prosecution. Likely just inside baseball. And par for the course in our delightful little banana republic.

 
From FitsNews, Chad Westendorf's deposition in the Gloria Satterfield case.

oh man, I was just fixing to tag you to discuss this depo. WOW. Complete turmoil in my head about this cat's role in the scheme. I went into the depo thinking he was completely in on it, to now feeling quite sorry for this man. He strikes me as ultra naive; however, running a private family bank in rural SC might be the reason his ignorance existed.
 
How in the wide world of sports does a Vice President of a bank and the President of the SC independent bankers association not understand what fiduciary means. How anyone working in banking or finance doesn’t know that term blows my mind.

This guy comes off as a complete patsy but if he’s not he’s a heck of an actor.
Yea, would be like a doctor not knowing the Hippocratic Oath.

“Dr Westendorf, do you know the meaning of the 'Hippocratic Oath?"

"Um, no, I don't know what that term means."

These Palmetto Bank guys are really pulling off the Hillbilly Banker game. If I had anything to do with them or any accounts I would pull them all out. These guys are either completely incompetent or dirty as hell, it's really that simple.
 
Yea, would be like a doctor not knowing the Hippocratic Oath.

“Dr Westendorf, do you know the meaning of the 'Hippocratic Oath?"

"Um, no, I don't know what that term means."

These Palmetto Bank guys are really pulling off the Hillbilly Banker game. If I had anything to do with them or any accounts I would pull them all out. These guys are either completely incompetent or dirty as hell, it's really that simple.
I'm not sure. Having grown up in a VERY small town myself with a single independent bank, it's just kinda how things work. Watching this depo, it was shocking how lax the procedures/protocols were, but then I remember walking into the bank in town as a little kid and getting money from my father's account.No withdrawal slip, no thing. Just, "Hey, Miss Loretta. I need some money. Daddy said it's OK." And time after time, miss Loretta would just give me whatever I asked for. In my case, there was nothing criminal going on, and the banker wasn't incompetent. It just was back in a time where procedures didn't exist and the banker knew everyone in town, and knew that it was OK for me to come get money. It was never a ton. I probably just needed it so I could go get a slushy from Mr. John down the street. The situation certainly seems ludicrous now, but back then it was normal. And I wonder if that's how things worked in Hampton. And until that bank is gobbled up by a "proper" bank, it might stay that way, particular in a place like Hampton. I don't know, but I wonder. And unless you grew up in a teeny tiny town, you probably can't even imagine this stuff goes on. But it did and probably still does to some extent. I tend to think this Westendorf man is just super naive, but not dirty. The Lafitte man? Maybe dirty. That said, there's zero excuse for Mr. Wetendorf not to know the word fiduciary. Likewise, I can think of no excuse for AM not to know "habeas corpus." This case continues to amaze and entertain.
 
Yea, would be like a doctor not knowing the Hippocratic Oath.

“Dr Westendorf, do you know the meaning of the 'Hippocratic Oath?"

"Um, no, I don't know what that term means."

These Palmetto Bank guys are really pulling off the Hillbilly Banker game. If I had anything to do with them or any accounts I would pull them all out. These guys are either completely incompetent or dirty as hell, it's really that simple.

Hanlon's Razor

”never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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