⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[PawJourney]

Has anyone subscribed to the Mandy Matney premium stuff? Are they doing daily updates? I know their free podcasts aren’t being produced daily.

The Impact of Influence folks did a podcast Wednesday and one Friday. I really like them but I would like a good, informed daily update.

I am going to be on the West Coast the next two weeks and won’t be able to follow the trial as closely, so any suggestions for a good daily update would be great. (And I don’t care for the CourtTV and Law and Crime folks where they have a panel of “experts” critiquing and opining. Just the facts, ma’am.)

I've spent way too much time listening to podcasts, YouTube and Reddit on this case. I thought Mandy did a good job at first but she's not an attorney, the evidence is introduced in court, and you'll get better legal insight from another content producer. Mandy lost objectivity months ago and has tried and convicted the accused well before the trial. She wants your money 💰 and is a self promoter.

If you want to have reporting credibility, you have to be more fact-based than opinion-based. Listen to her free content and then tune into attorney-based commentary for assessment of the trial.

 

[ClemsonHunter]

True I guess. I don't know if voice recognition software can be used/admitted, but what I heard/read is that they have several witnesses that have said it is his voice. They also have his voice on video a couple hours after the murders (the video of him being questioned in the cop car). You would think voice recognition would give a very high % that it is his voice.

Edit: See above

They dont need voice recognition. The rules of evidence allow you to use someone who has heard him before and testify in their opinion that his voice is the one you hear. I would imagine a lot of people in that courtroom could testify about that and it be believable.

 

[TigerTC]

Avery Wilks P&C @averygwilks on Twitter gives updates throughout the day with a daily recap

Alex Murdaugh was 'clean' on night of gruesome murders, deputy testifies

Alex Murdaugh looked “clean from head to toe” in his first interview with investigators just hours after his wife and son were brutally shot to death, according to testimony prosecutors

t.co

Thanks. I hate Twitter for lots of reasons, but I will check it out.

Is he including audio clips? Because I do want to hear the relevant testimony.

 

[TigerTC]

I've spent way too much time listening to podcasts, YouTube and Reddit on this case. I thought Mandy did a good job at first but she's not an attorney, the evidence is introduced in court, and you'll get better legal insight from another content producer. Mandy lost objectivity months ago and has tried and convicted the accused well before the trial. She wants your money 💰 and is a self promoter.

If you want to have reporting credibility, you have to be more fact-based than opinion-based. Listen to her free content and then tune into attorney-based commentary for assessment of the trial.

I’ve been listening to Mandy from the beginning. I know where she’s coming from, know her biases, and understand that she’s coming from a place where she hasn’t seen the real world. I’ve criticized her many times in this thread.

But I am also able to see past all of that when I’m looking for regular updates on the trial.

 

[santee]

Has anyone subscribed to the Mandy Matney premium stuff? Are they doing daily updates? I know their free podcasts aren’t being produced daily.

The Impact of Influence folks did a podcast Wednesday and one Friday. I really like them but I would like a good, informed daily update.

I am going to be on the West Coast the next two weeks and won’t be able to follow the trial as closely, so any suggestions for a good daily update would be great. (And I don’t care for the CourtTV and Law and Crime folks where they have a panel of “experts” critiquing and opining. Just the facts, ma’am.)

Newsnation channel usually has a very good review of the day with commentary from lawyers

 

[Baldinger's Finger]

I've spent way too much time listening to podcasts, YouTube and Reddit on this case. I thought Mandy did a good job at first but she's not an attorney, the evidence is introduced in court, and you'll get better legal insight from another content producer. Mandy lost objectivity months ago and has tried and convicted the accused well before the trial. She wants your money 💰 and is a self promoter.

If you want to have reporting credibility, you have to be more fact-based than opinion-based. Listen to her free content and then tune into attorney-based commentary for assessment of the trial.

This is where I come down with Matney and her colleague (think it's Liz Farrell). I followed her reporting at first but haven't listened to any of her podcasts. They are no longer journalists but rather advocates for their side (the anti-Murdaugh side) of the case. Their twitter feeds are exhibit A. Any reports from the trial through their twitter feeds immediately seek to discredit and criticize any questioning by defense counsel, even though the defense counsel appear to be doing their job of simply raising possibilities other than Alex killing them. Put simply and as you say, they're no longer reporting facts. Just reporting opinions on the attorneys and points they are making, and always critical of the defense. They also seem to have gotten caught up in whatever little fame they've garnered since this whole thing began (you can tell by their interactions with each other, fans and Eric Bland). In sum, I agree with your point that they've lost all credibility regarding their "reporting" on this matter.

 

[AsheLivvie]

Per a body language expert on Court TV, the frequent gum chewing is anxiety and the rocking/bobbing his head is a form of self-soothing.

 

[jhcajr]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

 

[purple2]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

someone said that maybe the son shot the mother and murdaugh shot the son....something like that could be plausible

 

[purple2]

i'm just now getting back into this.... i haven't heard about the snapchat video from the son. have we seen/heard it yet? was it shortly before the murders?

 

[jeffcoat]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

Disagree. Alex didn't pick up the shotgun & .300 AR 15 and take them there. There were guns all over the farm. They just happened to be there already. Alex shot Paul with the shotgun. The wife started running so he picked up the .300 and shot her on the back or legs, then walked up to her on the ground and shot her in the back of the head.

 

[jeffcoat]

i'm just now getting back into this.... i haven't heard about the snapchat video from the son. have we seen/heard it yet? was it shortly before the murders?

We haven't seen it but supposedly it was 4 minutes before the murders. Evidently Paul and his mom were avid texters. On there phones all the time. According to the prosecutors Paul recorded the snapshot video at 8;44pm. Paul, Maggie, & Alex were all in the video (so Alex was at the scene at 8;44). According to prosecutors their phones went silent at 8;48. I don't know if they had sent other texts in between or not, but they stopped being used at 8;48. That's when prosecutors argue they were shot.

Edit; Also, I expect the video to show Alex was wearing different clothes than the white t-shirt and shorts he showed up in at 10pm

 

[AvenueOfChampions]

We haven't seen it but supposedly it was 4 minutes before the murders. Evidently Paul and his mom were avid texters. On there phones all the time. According to the prosecutors Paul recorded the snapshot video at 8;44pm. Paul, Maggie, & Alex were all in the video (so Alex was at the scene at 8;44). According to prosecutors their phones went silent at 8;48. I don't know if they had sent other texts in between or not, but they stopped being used at 8;48. That's when prosecutors argue they were shot.

According to some in this thread, in those 3 mins + that the video ended, Alec must have immediately ran his fat ass up to the house, fell asleep, and took off to go see his mom a few minutes later without saying anything to Paul or his estranged wife, who was only there because Alex had guilted her there so they could go see his dying dad.

Its all plausible and is a wonderful alibi that will hold up in court.

 

[PawJourney]

I’ve been listening to Mandy from the beginning. I know where she’s coming from, know her biases, and understand that she’s coming from a place where she hasn’t seen the real world. I’ve criticized her many times in this thread.

But I am also able to see past all of that when I’m looking for regular updates on the trial.

Her trial updates are biased. For those who have not followed along, they will not realize like you do how her bias impacts the truth. Mandy was interesting (to a point) to listen to before the trial. Now that the trial started, anyone listening to the trial can judge themselves. Anyone who doesn't listen to the trial should find a more balanced, objective source.

 

[TigerTC]

Her trial updates are biased. For those who have not followed along, they will not realize like you do how her bias impacts the truth. Mandy was interesting (to a point) to listen to before the trial. Now that the trial started, anyone listening to the trial can judge themselves. Anyone who doesn't listen to the trial should find a more balanced, objective source.

Of course they are biased. It’s Mandy Matney.

I just want to know if she’s doing daily updates for subscribers.

 

[Wylietiger]

While he was at kennel his cell phone did not show activity, which means he probably left it at the house. If he intended to kill them, he would have purposely left his phone at the house so his location wouldn't ping down there.
What's going to sink him is the snapchat video that Paul took minutes before the murders. If I remember correctly, Alex isn't actually in the video. Only his voice can be heard, which is why they are bringing in people that know his voice to identify him in this video. So there's a possibility that Alex didn't know Paul was taking the snapchat video, thus he continued out his plan

 

[Overwatch]

We haven't seen it but supposedly it was 4 minutes before the murders. Evidently Paul and his mom were avid texters. On there phones all the time. According to the prosecutors Paul recorded the snapshot video at 8;44pm. Paul, Maggie, & Alex were all in the video (so Alex was at the scene at 8;44). According to prosecutors their phones went silent at 8;48. I don't know if they had sent other texts in between or not, but they stopped being used at 8;48. That's when prosecutors argue they were shot.

Edit; Also, I expect the video to show Alex was wearing different clothes than the white t-shirt and shorts he showed up in at 10pm

Your use of semicolons instead of colons when marking the time has my jim jams all kinds of up and rustled.

 

[88MechEng]

Her trial updates are biased. For those who have not followed along, they will not realize like you do how her bias impacts the truth. Mandy was interesting (to a point) to listen to before the trial. Now that the trial started, anyone listening to the trial can judge themselves. Anyone who doesn't listen to the trial should find a more balanced, objective source.

Yes her twitter comments and podcast are very biased and hard to listen to; however, I’m going to listen to her podcasts until the jury renders a verdict. It’s like going to a movie that starts off strong but then gets really bad so you stay for the whole thing just to see how it ends. There is no way I would pay for premium membership.

 

[jeffcoat]

Your use of semicolons instead of colons when marking the time has my jim jams all kinds of up and rustled.

haha. hard to tell which is which on my phone. Sorry.

 

[Every name taken]

Your use of semicolons instead of colons when marking the time has my jim jams all kinds of up and rustled.

@ccolon get in here and straighten this out

Edit: anyone remember our guard who was a biblical intestine? Colon Abraham

 

[Ole Tom]

The Murdaugh Saga has turned into a bad movie. Good family with a nice history for generation or two got screwed up at the end. At this point I don't think I care much at all if Murdaugh is found innocent or guilty of the murder of his wife and son. I expect he will spend the rest of his life in jail for all the wrong he has done. No matter the murder verdict, there will always be crowds who think he was guilty and others who think he was not guilty.

I do hope the families of the now dead people who got screwed by crooked lawyers and bankers, suspect police, and a warped local judicial system can scrape enough money off the Murdaugh family carcass to compensate somewhat for the ordeal they have suffered.

 

[PawJourney]

Yes her twitter comments and podcast are very biased and hard to listen to; however, I’m going to listen to her podcasts until the jury renders a verdict. It’s like going to a movie that starts off strong but then gets really bad so you stay for the whole thing just to see how it ends. There is no way I would pay for premium membership.

The last sentence was really my point. Get her for free and don't pay.

 

[Boom4life]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

Negative, it’s called the New York reload for a reason. It was taught in the police academy to go to your backup instead of reloading in the days of revolvers. Switching guns is quicker than reloading. Shot him with the shotgun and her running away with the ar15. That’s not that out of touch.

 

[7tiget6]

Her trial updates are biased. For those who have not followed along, they will not realize like you do how her bias impacts the truth. Mandy was interesting (to a point) to listen to before the trial. Now that the trial started, anyone listening to the trial can judge themselves. Anyone who doesn't listen to the trial should find a more balanced, objective source.

Always respected her reporting, voice didn’t bother me, suffered through the “good ole boys” “bulldog attorney” catch phrases but as soon as Liz hit the show it became almost all sarcasm, quick jabs and patting themselves on the back. Still respect the info but sounds almost teeny bopper

 

[Wylietiger]

Negative, it’s called the New York reload for a reason. It was taught in the police academy to go to your backup instead of reloading in the days of revolvers. Switching guns is quicker than reloading. Shot him with the shotgun and her running away with the ar15. That’s not that out of touch.

Exactly. And odds are there was probably a plug in that shotgun allowing for only 3 shells

 

[CLEMSON96JDH]

Odds Alex takes the stand? I presume zero, at this point.

 

[jeffcoat]

Odds Alex takes the stand? I presume zero, at this point.

No way. I assume they could ask him anything. He would fold.

 

[purple2]

Your use of semicolons instead of colons when marking the time has my jim jams all kinds of up and rustled.

 

[sloanMB]

Negative, it’s called the New York reload for a reason. It was taught in the police academy to go to your backup instead of reloading in the days of revolvers. Switching guns is quicker than reloading. Shot him with the shotgun and her running away with the ar15. That’s not that out of touch.

Username checks out

 

[padtigers]

Her trial updates are biased. For those who have not followed along, they will not realize like you do how her bias impacts the truth. Mandy was interesting (to a point) to listen to before the trial. Now that the trial started, anyone listening to the trial can judge themselves. Anyone who doesn't listen to the trial should find a more balanced, objective source.

Her best work was the uncovering of the connection between the Murdaughs and the Smith kid they found beaten to death on a country road. Also the housekeeper's death and the insurance payout. Once the legal stuff started she went straight into defense mode and has not looked back

 

[padtigers]

No way. I assume they could ask him anything. He would fold.

His being a lifelong attorney seems like a plus for him on the stand. But he has also been an entitled spoiled person his whole life so I doubt he would feel like he was ever in the wrong

 

[tigerken]

Negative, it’s called the New York reload for a reason. It was taught in the police academy to go to your backup instead of reloading in the days of revolvers. Switching guns is quicker than reloading. Shot him with the shotgun and her running away with the ar15. That’s not that out of touch.

Plus, Alex may have planned to use 2 guns to make it look like two shooters

 

[Bumhole]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

Correct. The son shot his mother, and was going to shoot his father, but Alex shot first; all based on the boating accident.

 

[BigShotBobby]

For all the hunters and shooters on the board: how many times have you grabbed a shotgun to shoot something and thought, let me grab the AR 15 as well? Then you shoot your target, something jumps up and you drop the shotgun and fire the AR 15. This scenario is unreasonable. There had to be two shooters. With no weapons to examine or witnesses to cross, he walks. The state must have something more substantial to come 'cause everything so far is circumstantial. BTW, no way he wasn't involved, but the dogs can't talk.

This is where I am. I think he did but he was not alone. Maybe the cousin he hired to kill him.

 

[yungan]

I think possibly ole poot thought the Colleton County sheriff's deputies would be a bunch of Barney Fife's and he would embarrass the crime scene investigation tactics employed before SLED rode in. Sure there were some errors looking back but for the most part they were efficient and professional. And their demeanor on the witness stand and articulate manner of explanation has been very impressive.

I would think with miles of I-95 coming through Colleton County the sheriffs office ( deputies) have been involved in quite a few high profile cases ( not this big) and have had training and exposure to many high profile lawyers. Wrecks, drug trafficking up and down 95 as well as the ocean/river/waterway in Edisto area.
An ex-mayor of Colleton county town of Cottageville was killed by policeman…. Apparently a lot of the Charleston area “good ole boys” involved in drugs etc became big news not to long ago (93 million dollar settlement)
All this tells me Colleton county deputies will hold their own

 

[Boom4life]

Correct. The son shot his mother, and was going to shoot his father, but Alex shot first; all based on the boating accident.

There is zero evidence to support this. With that said, I don’t see why woolen are so certain that because there are 2 weapons there were 2 shooters. One shooter is capable of using both weapons. That’s not abnormal.

 

[Clemblack]

I would think with miles of I-95 coming through Collenton County the sheriffs office ( deputies) have been involved in quite a few high profile cases ( not this big) and have had training and exposure to many high profile lawyers. Wrecks, drug trafficking up and down 95 as well as the ocean/river/waterway in Edisto area.
An ex-mayor of Collenton county town of Cottageville was killed by policeman…. Apparently a lot of the Charleston area “good ole boys” involved in drugs etc became big news not to long ago (93 million dollar settlement)
All this tells me Collenton county deputies will hold their own

"Collenton" is bothering me bad.

 

[yungan]

Fixed.

 

[TigerTC]

i just found this podcast from True Crime Today.

This looks like it may be a good way to follow the trial daily.

The Trial Of Alex Murdaugh

Listen to the full courtroom trial coverage of Alex Murdaugh. This is our continuing coverage of the Alex Murdaugh murder trial from True Crime Today. Listen to the entire trial, hour by hour, on our podcast feed, so you don’t miss a single moment of testimony and evidence being brought forth as...

castro.fm

 

[CLEMSON96JDH]

So is Alex or is he not visible on the tictac video? If he is and he has on different clothes, that will be damning.