⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[Tiger Guru]

Your theory goes down the toilet if he has blood splatter on his clothes, although that evidence has it's own doubts. Expert initially said the was no blood spatter, then changed and said there was blood spatter. Plus there is not enough of his shirt left for someone else to test.

If I were sitting on the jury and only know what evidence has been presented so far, I would be wide open, but knowing other evidence mentioned in this thread, I think he's guilty. But we'll see how that goes in court. Would not surprise me if there is a hung jury.

I agree. To this point in court, I’m wide open. They haven't proven to me, beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it.

I think it’s likely that he did or had someone else do it. But that jury has to presume he’s innocent until the state does a much better job of proving it.

 

[Tiger Guru]

I assumed Alex took her phone and tried to unlock it by pointing it at her face and she was dead with her eyes closed.

I wonder if the device saved that image. Was it her face? Was it Alex's? I have no idea if it saves the image or not.

I assume that technology exist, we just don’t know it. I’ll bet the CIA has the ability to find it.

I don’t think he tried to take her phone after he killed her and get it to scan her face. I think whoever did it, took her phone and likely looked at the face of the phone as would anyone. Doesn’t mean you were trying to unlock it.

But no doubt in my mind that technology exist at a higher level. Wouldn’t that be incredible if the phone saved the image of the person who activated the facial recognition? That picture would be all you needed to see.

 

[MojitoJoe]

I assume that technology exist, we just don’t know it. I’ll bet the CIA has the ability to find it.
But no doubt in my mind that technology exist at a higher level. Wouldn’t that be incredible if the phone saved the image of the person who activated the facial recognition? That picture would be all you needed to see.

Apparently, there is an app currently available that does something like this.

 

[CU_4734]

I assume that technology exist, we just don’t know it. I’ll bet the CIA has the ability to find it.

I don’t think he tried to take her phone after he killed her and get it to scan her face. I think whoever did it, took her phone and likely looked at the face of the phone as would anyone. Doesn’t mean you were trying to unlock it.

But no doubt in my mind that technology exist at a higher level. Wouldn’t that be incredible if the phone saved the image of the person who activated the facial recognition? That picture would be all you needed to see.

I can’t wait for today, but I don’t think you can consider it a coincidence that her phone had an orientation change and failed to unlock SECONDS before he called her. And then he leaves at 9:06 and her phone made its last log at 9:08?

 

[88MechEng]

Starting yesterday, this is where the prosecution wins or loses the trial. This cell phone data and car data and Snapchat video is where the meat of their case must be. For me the gun info seems very damning. Just hard to believe random killers picked the same guns and ammo to kill his family and those same guns are now missing from his home.

 

[toasted8CU]

Starting yesterday, this is where the prosecution wins or loses the trial. This cell phone data and car data and Snapchat video is where the meat of their case must be. For me the gun info seems very damning. Just hard to believe random killers picked the same guns and ammo to kill his family and those same guns are now missing from his home.

See i see it the other way, it’s not a lock.

Paul leaves his stuff everywhere, why didn’t he leave the guns down at the kennel and the killer(s) just picks them up there with ammo in it?

 

[yemassee]

See i see it the other way, it’s not a lock.

Paul leaves his stuff everywhere, why didn’t he leave the guns down at the kennel and the killer(s) just picks them up there with ammo in it?

If someone came there to kill them then don’t you think they would have brought their own guns?

 

[Chrisd4cu]

If someone came there to kill them then don’t you think they would have brought their own guns?

Unless they had already stolen them?

 

[Tiger Guru]

I can’t wait for today, but I don’t think you can consider it a coincidence that her phone had an orientation change and failed to unlock SECONDS before he called her. And then he leaves at 9:06 and her phone made its last log at 9:08?

Again, I believe he knew it was happenning, Im just not sure they have the proof he actually did it. If he knew about it, he knew when it would happen and this was well planned.

He likely heard the gunshot(s) and then knew the plan was in motion.

 

[Tiger Guru]

If someone came there to kill them then don’t you think they would have brought their own guns?

I think if he did and had to take the quickest shower ever and absolutely leave zero evidence of anything in his house. Ive heard a bunch of "rumors of evidence" but none of that has been presented in court. They searched his house and found no sign of anything and certainly not the weapons.

This is why I believe he hired someone. He's rich enough to pay for that. It doesn't cost a million dollars to pull that off. It's not fantasy money. Again, Organized Crime has been around for decades, and it doesn't cost millions to pull off. I think he knew they were going to be there at that time if he persuaded them to be there or whatever reason.

Here's my theory:

He hired someone to be up there and ambush them. He knew he couldn't be there because he needed to ensure his cellphone wouldn't ping. Also, it nearly ensures he doesn't know "actual details". They did it, they took her phone a dumped it. Once he heard the gunshots then he proceeded to call and put his plan in motion. Paul was notorious for leaving weapons around and i'l bet both weapons were actually at the kennels. The hired killers were waiting there with the guns for Maggie and Paul and then took the guns and her cellphone.

Now Alex just hast to go through this. He takes the fall, although he knows it will be extremely difficult to pin it on him specifically. I think he knows about it, but likely didn't do it. Maybe he did.

Would be nice if you can see who's face is on the camera when the phone tried to unlock.... Gamechanger there.

 

[nmerritt11]

I would tend to agree but it wouldn't stop me from trying to argue otherwise to cause doubt.

This would assume people have their phone on them at all times. If it was set down it would not be logging steps. Not sure how this would help or hurt honestly.

 

[4toTampa]

Why didnt Alex just say Paul killed the dog? Maggie was pissed and got into heated, heated argument over it with Paul and Paul shoots her. Alex kills Paul in self-defense scared that Paul would kill him too.

 

[touchdownbob]

@Tiger Guru If I ever get busted for murder, I hope and pray that you are on my jury.

 

[tigertommy1]

Why didnt Alex just say Paul killed the dog? Maggie was pissed and got into heated, heated argument over it with Paul and Paul shoots her. Alex kills Paul in self-defense scared that Paul would kill him too.

There would be GSR on Paul? Very easy to eliminate that as a possibility?

 

[Chriso124tiger]

I agree 100% but I'm still using it in my argument if I am the defense. I'm creating as much doubt as possible.

 

[Boom4life]

I assumed Alex took her phone and tried to unlock it by pointing it at her face and she was dead with her eyes closed.

I wonder if the device saved that image. Was it her face? Was it Alex's? I have no idea if it saves the image or not.

iPhone will open with your eyes closed.

 

[Boom4life]

This would assume people have their phone on them at all times. If it was set down it would not be logging steps. Not sure how this would help or hurt honestly.

Depends if they had an Apple Watch

 

[jeffcoat]

I think if he did and had to take the quickest shower ever and absolutely leave zero evidence of anything in his house. Ive heard a bunch of "rumors of evidence" but none of that has been presented in court. They searched his house and found no sign of anything and certainly not the weapons.

This is why I believe he hired someone. He's rich enough to pay for that. It doesn't cost a million dollars to pull that off. It's not fantasy money. Again, Organized Crime has been around for decades, and it doesn't cost millions to pull off. I think he knew they were going to be there at that time if he persuaded them to be there or whatever reason.

Here's my theory:

He hired someone to be up there and ambush them. He knew he couldn't be there because he needed to ensure his cellphone wouldn't ping. Also, it nearly ensures he doesn't know "actual details". They did it, they took her phone a dumped it. Once he heard the gunshots then he proceeded to call and put his plan in motion. Paul was notorious for leaving weapons around and i'l bet both weapons were actually at the kennels. The hired killers were waiting there with the guns for Maggie and Paul and then took the guns and her cellphone.

Now Alex just hast to go through this. He takes the fall, although he knows it will be extremely difficult to pin it on him specifically. I think he knows about it, but likely didn't do it. Maybe he did.

Would be nice if you can see who's face is on the camera when the phone tried to unlock.... Gamechanger there.

The only problem I have with that theory is if it were me, I would have a documented alibi that I was in Miami or Houston or LA. Authorities could surmise and try to prove that I paid someone to do it, but they would never put me on the scene.

 

[jeffcoat]

iPhone will open with your eyes closed.

How about blood and brain matter all over he face? Didn't think of it until now, but they have always said Paul was killed 1st. I assume that Maggie had blood spatter from Paul being shot.

 

[Tiger Guru]

The only problem I have with that theory is if it were me, I would have a documented alibi that I was in Miami or Houston or LA. Authorities could surmise and try to prove that I paid someone to do it, but they would never put me on the scene.

I totally agree.

 

[nmerritt11]

Depends if they had an Apple Watch

Listening to it now no mention of any Apple Watch

 

[Joe Cobb]

I assume that technology exist, we just don’t know it. I’ll bet the CIA has the ability to find it.

I don’t think he tried to take her phone after he killed her and get it to scan her face. I think whoever did it, took her phone and likely looked at the face of the phone as would anyone. Doesn’t mean you were trying to unlock it.

But no doubt in my mind that technology exist at a higher level. Wouldn’t that be incredible if the phone saved the image of the person who activated the facial recognition? That picture would be all you needed to see.

That's a Black Mirror episode for sure.

 

[AvenueOfChampions]

So, for those with reasonable doubt, hearing Alec’s voice here, did he sprint up to the house in the 3 mins between this video and someone shooting Paul to take a nap or did he sleep on the way back to the house, which is a quarter mile away?

Whoever did it must have been right there because Paul was shot walking out of the Kennel from taking this video, no?

 

[MBTiger23]

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So, for those with reasonable doubt, hearing Alec’s voice here, did he sprint up to the house in the 3 mins between this video and someone shooting Paul to take a nap or did he sleep on the way back to the house, which is a quarter mile away?

Whoever did it must have been right there because Paul was shot walking out of the Kennel from taking this video, no?

Is he saying "come here Paul"?

 

[yemassee]

https://www.foxcarolina.com/video/2023/02/01/video-shown-court-taken-paul-murdaughs-phone/

 

[DividedPi]

There would be GSR on Paul? Very easy to eliminate that as a possibility?

Plus why would the guns be missing in that scenario.

 

[Chefkdh]

Is he saying "come here Paul"?

I heard come here Bubba. Sounds like he’s trying to get the Guinea from the dog

 

[Chefkdh]

https://www.foxcarolina.com/video/2023/02/01/video-shown-court-taken-paul-murdaughs-phone/

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[Tigerpaw00]

I think if he did and had to take the quickest shower ever and absolutely leave zero evidence of anything in his house. Ive heard a bunch of "rumors of evidence" but none of that has been presented in court. They searched his house and found no sign of anything and certainly not the weapons.

This is why I believe he hired someone. He's rich enough to pay for that. It doesn't cost a million dollars to pull that off. It's not fantasy money. Again, Organized Crime has been around for decades, and it doesn't cost millions to pull off. I think he knew they were going to be there at that time if he persuaded them to be there or whatever reason.

Here's my theory:

He hired someone to be up there and ambush them. He knew he couldn't be there because he needed to ensure his cellphone wouldn't ping. Also, it nearly ensures he doesn't know "actual details". They did it, they took her phone a dumped it. Once he heard the gunshots then he proceeded to call and put his plan in motion. Paul was notorious for leaving weapons around and i'l bet both weapons were actually at the kennels. The hired killers were waiting there with the guns for Maggie and Paul and then took the guns and her cellphone.

Now Alex just hast to go through this. He takes the fall, although he knows it will be extremely difficult to pin it on him specifically. I think he knows about it, but likely didn't do it. Maybe he did.

Would be nice if you can see who's face is on the camera when the phone tried to unlock.... Gamechanger there.

They didn't do a real search of the house until months later (after his attempt to kill himself if I am remembering correctly). I'm not sure they ever searched drain pipes, trash, closet etc like you normally do. Alex was given a TON of leeway by the cops because of his status.

 

[yemassee]

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I think they took down the video.

 

[Boom4life]

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You don’t know

I think they took down the video.

Court tv has it on their website. It’s all over twitter as well.

 

[Tiger Guru]

They didn't do a real search of the house until months later (after his attempt to kill himself if I am remembering correctly). I'm not sure they ever searched drain pipes, trash, closet etc like you normally do. Alex was given a TON of leeway by the cops because of his status.

That’s just it. I believe he did it or likely knew of it, but have no idea how they’re going to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, he did it.

At least to this point. Now, listening to the media before the trial I wondered why we were having a trial. Media these days is profound with its persuasion.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Is he saying "come here Paul"?

It’s like hearing a video being played on a computer in a court room except I’m watching a video of a video and hearing it on a computer or my phone.

In other words, I cannot hear a thing but what sounds like an annoying conversation being played on speakerphone.

Maybe the courtroom sounds better. I would hope so.

 

[jeffcoat]

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So, for those with reasonable doubt, hearing Alec’s voice here, did he sprint up to the house in the 3 mins between this video and someone shooting Paul to take a nap or did he sleep on the way back to the house, which is a quarter mile away?

Whoever did it must have been right there because Paul was shot walking out of the Kennel from taking this video, no?

Wow. Disappointed in that being THE video. I guess witnesses can attest that it was Paul, Maggie, & Alex's voices, and that put Alex there 5 minutes before the murders. Was really hoping it would show them. Disappointed it was all about the dog.

 

[jeffcoat]

Just on WIS News they said that a "Murdaugh family friend" testified that the clothes Alex was wearing that day was not what he was wearing in the interrogation video..

 

[theShove]

The video, although doesn’t show anybody, puts Alex at the kennels close to the times of death. He stated earlier he was not at the kennels, but at the house, taking a nap. And then about 20 minutes later his car started. That was a mighty quick nap he was taking. - Mrs. Shove.

 

[nmerritt11]

The timeline continues to show AM appears to be lying. Is that enough is the question

 

[jeffcoat]

Also from the family friend, he testified that he saw what Alex was wearing in the video sent by Paul. "long pants & a shirt, and those particular shoes"

So not sure if the video linked above is the right one, or maybe not the complete video.

Edit: There is definitely another video from 4 or 5 minutes before the video showing the dog. And it showed Alex and what he was wearing.

 

[jeffcoat]

Yeah, watching the prosecutor interview the "family friend", they are definitly talking about a different video. Not the one linked above.

 

[Woody1405]

What about. Alex leaving Moselle w/o saying goodbye to wife and son.