I don’t think this medical professional has any agenda, but when on a national scale, big pharma has B I G money. Don’t ever underestimate the powerful pull of 2 things.
1. Big money
I will be shocked if this season goes off as planned
- Thread starter Orange-Addict
- Start date
1. Big money
Oprah started the fatness craze. She made it OK to be fat and happy.
Quick question. It seems we only are given stats on Vaccinated v. Unvaccinated. Certainly there should be a third category of recovered (antibodies). Why are we not seeing any studies or stats on this on a daily basis? What is the reinfection rate? Of those reinfected what is the percentage of mild cases v. Serious cases? Isn’t that data just as important?
you’re trying everything you can to convince yourself that people who have been vaccinated are worse off than the unvaccinated
You’re wrong . I asked a very reasonable question. This data should be given out along with the other percentages. Just like one diet is not right for everyone neither is a specific protocol. I’ve already made my decision. People should be able to arm themselves with all the available information so they can make the most informed decision.
Assuming the source of your information is correct, then it's just math. Mathematics says you should. What is the opportunity cost of not getting vaccinated vs. getting vaccinated? If you had reliable information then just plug it in and make a decision for yourself. Based on just the information in your post, seems like an easy decision could be made.
I use Ivermectin with my inpatients. I believe I've seen good results.
Just fyi, the determination of the variants is done by whole genome sequencing of the viruses after the fact and should not be confused with the PCR test ... Edit ... I meant to reply to a different post talking about the PCR test being inaccurate and having issued with specificity.
Thank you for your honesty. I k ow two doctors in the upstate that have started prescribing it. Usually when anyone mentions it they think you’re a conspiracy theorist . It’s had great results in other countries.
This is a terrific question. It's absolutely just as important. Why is this not being studied?
I think the testing to determine antibodies requires drawing blood which harder than just having someone jam a swab up your nose. Also most antibody testing at this point is positive or negative versus actually calculating levels. The data about how long those antibodies then last is whold additional requirement for samples over time. Its just a lot of specialized testing that is tough to handle amidst the curernt climate that doesnt directly assist with patient care.
Couldn’t the same argument be made for vaccines? The efficacy that clearly reduces over time as well and it’s probably hard to be measured. I’m not even that interested in antibody testing (levels etc.) as much as I am the percentage of people that are being reinfected in general. And if they are reinfected is it a severe case? Or a mild case? I think it’s important info.
I do think the information about efficacy is easy to collect with questionnaires with people who are admitted as well as with reinfections which honestly has not seemed to have been a major trend. Going back to what some of have said we are a time when the scientific process is live and the data is constantly changing the narrative. I certainly do not have all the answers but i do see lots of information and it can be overwhelming.
That’s just my point though. If I am the only one physically impacted by whether or not I’m vaccinated then it should solely be my choice. Me getting vaccinated is not going to prevent you or someone’s elderly loved one from getting it
I think social media and the anything goes as long as you're "happy in your own skin" mantra that is prevalent now has promoted it.
Or percieved to be. I'm vax'd but the reason so many people are anti vax is because they dont believe a word the CDC and the MSM tell us is because they exclude other pertinent info. It creates a severe level of distrust.
Is there?? If they work so well, why are they already pushing more shots (boosters)??
We’re anti-maskers too…& we all just keep living our lives as usual. Everybody as healthy as we’ve ever been! No fear down here in the park…
I'm not trying to convince you to believe anything. I felt that the virus was definitely overrhyped by the press at times for political manipulation. But all I can tell you is that we have a ton of hospitalized sick people right now and many of them are generally but younger and healthier than the population we were seeing before in the hospital.
I don't know. None of the patients I've admitted had previously had it.
Oprah started it 30 years ago, long before social media. I agree with you that social media has enhanced it.
Yeah it doesn’t matter to me what you do. I was just answering the “why should I get it” part which seemed like there was a pretty easy way to analyze that.
I think there are some good points about the impact on society from the hospitalization of unvaccinated vs vaccinated (once again, assuming those numbers being reported are accurate). There’s some merit there to how that can impact others.
I don’t think there should be a mandate. Also don’t understand the strong desire to be so publicly against it. Just not sure what the gain is there. The messaging and confidence behind the vaccine effort has been so poorly mishandled by those in charge that it’s not surprising some are uneasy about it. Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread, but what is the reasoning behind your decision?
Here's How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant
In the fight against the Delta variant, here's how the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines measure up when it comes to protection. A new study found the Moderna vaccine was 76% effective against the Delta variant, while the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective...
www.healthline.com
Thanks for posting this. A much more clear way to see that a majority of studies are showing that when fully vaccinated, people are much better off against the Delta variant.Here's How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant
In the fight against the Delta variant, here's how the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines measure up when it comes to protection. A new study found the Moderna vaccine was 76% effective against the Delta variant, while the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective...
Last edited:
Has anyone on here ever tested positive for covid twice? If so, what were your symptoms during both occurrences? Was one more severe than the other?
Would you say when caught early enough, ie not ventilator/ICU status, the case for early treatment and recovery added to the bodies natural immunity would likely be better than the “vaccine” in people under the age of 60?
I have read where Ivermectin has been used in some studies in Europe and quite affective against some types of cancer.
That healthline link above is a pretty good summary. The reason I said incorrect was because it’s a cherry picked number without context.
Are the vaccines less effective against delta? That appears to be a solid yes. What that percentage is remains elusive. However they are still very effective at preventing serious disease and hospitalization, as the numerous hospital reports in this thread indicate.
One other thing is that even though more people who are vaccinated are getting Delta, how their body handles viral replication is very different than the unvaccinated.
Last edited:
Or are micro clots forming more quickly because of viral replication?
I’m not sure how that has anything to do with what I posted.
But, here’s a link discussing one theory on clotting and covid that is similar to what you are talking about.
Blood clots in COVID-19 patients: Simplifying the curious mystery - PMC
The universal phenomenon of blood clotting is well known to be protective in external cellular/ tissue injury. However, the emergence of unusual thrombotic presentations in COVID-19 patients is the real concern. Interaction of the spike glycoprotein ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Because the government preordered a billion doses or more of vaccines and forced them to make it ASAP. Not so much with treatments
Iceland is 91% vaxxed yet have the largest outbreak of cases since it started.
MISINFORMATION!!! MISINFORMATION!!!! Breakthrough cases are extremely rare Lol. Just do as your told and get the Vax. Wear your mask! They will keep you safe.
70.6% of Iceland is fully vaccinated and they haven't had a death since May. So yes the number the poster you quoted is misinformation and the vaccine is keeping people safe.
