North Face

[chassc]

Target sold some tshirts.
Bud Lite did a low budget targeted social media hit with a niche influencer.
North Face produced a hilariously low quality YouTube commercial.

Anti-trans, drag queen, anti-LGBTQ, and “groomer” discourse has dominated the conservative news cycle for like 3+ years now. Any commercial entity who even acknowledges the existence of LGBTQ individuals is pariah status to you freaks and anyone who doesn’t give enough of a sh¡y to fall in line with the virtue signaling is a target as well. It’s not even a little ambiguous that the ultimate intent is to apply enough social and commercial pressure that LGTBQ individuals can’t live openly.

Clearly you know that you’re downplaying one side while magnifying the other. Quit acting like a naive dumb fvck. If you think that all trans people are just standing around minding their own business, you’re being willfully blind and intellectually dishonest. Storming capitol buildings to protest laws against gender change surgery for minors is a far cry from going about your own business. Demanding that men can compete in women’s sports and change in their locker rooms is not minding your own business. Look, suck all the dick you want…but don’t pretend like your side isn’t provoking a whole lot of the pushback and vitriol it’s receiving.

 

[Orange&Purple]

OP made this about politics - the whole damn thread is about politics O&P. Why the surprise that others are different from you? Freedom man!

Well why not, it doesn’t bother me one bit that others are different from me. What does bother me, and it should bother everyone of us who have a sense of morality, what bothers me is the sexualization of our kids!!! What bothers me is trying to shove this agenda down people’s throats! What bothers me is people thinking this mess is normal when it is not! What bothers me is people talking to 6, 7, 8 year old kids about how to transgender! What bothers me is this garbage being taught in our schools!

I couldn’t care less if we disagree politically! Again, this is not about politics, it’s about morality and this is morality sickening!

Some ITT want to take a pop shot at the Bible and one day when they stand before God they will wish that could take that disrespectful comment back.

 

[Broheim]

You say you don’t care and then you want them all thrown in prison. Which one is it?

I said all? Could have sworn I called out particular group that several of you seem to want to defend. Interestingly. I would call out other pedophiles as well, but the group I called out was included in the topic of this thread. I also noted mental illness, not just prison. People trying to normalize this with kids are mentally ill and if they cross the line then prison seems to suitable.

Cross dress all you want… leave the kids out of it. Stay out of the women’s bathroom. Pretty easy. We literally have a poster telling someone their grand daughter should get used to seeing men dressed up as women in the women’s bathroom.

 

[funkbott]

I think a separate non-binary classification is probably the most logical answer. The rules that the IOC have in place are an easier compromise and I think I could generally get on board with those. IIRC Lia Thomas wouldn’t have been eligible under IOC guidelines.

But I also believe that trans people are still people and the discourse around trans people in sport (and in general) is super toxic and dehumanizing and you can see some really shining examples of that in this thread.

That’s fair

I don’t think it’s toxic or dehumanizing at all to point out that a person who was a biological male for 20+ years has an inherent competitive advantage in athletics than a biological woman. Surely you have to understand why there’s push back in these scenarios

 

[Dungeon09]

Clearly you know that you’re downplaying one side while magnifying the other. Quit acting like a naive dumb fvck. If you think that all trans people are just standing around minding their own business, you’re being willfully blind and intellectually dishonest. Storming capitol buildings to protest laws against gender change surgery for minors is a far cry from going about your own business. Demanding that men can compete in women’s sports and change in their locker rooms is not minding your own business. Look, suck all the dick you want…but don’t pretend like your side isn’t provoking a whole lot of the pushback and vitriol it’s receiving.

You’re talking about Oklahoma where they protested in the capital rotunda, not “stormed the capital” over a package of proposed laws that included bans in gender affirming care for adults.

If you want to accuse me of “downplaying one dude while magnifying the other” then habibi be the change you wish to see.

If the intent is to have an objective conversation then that’s possible but so far this discourse is entirely histrionics and moral panic. If the entire trans discourse evaporated tomorrow then the only thing that changes for any of us is that we don’t have to endure this particular noxious front in the culture wars any longer. Outside of occasionally seeing non-normative people in media, your life doesn’t change at all, and for anyone that simply seeing other people who are different poses a crisis, I would suggest getting a job or maybe a hobby to occupy their attention more constructively. Most people here could count on one hand the number of times they’ve interacted directly with a trans person. It’s literally an issue manufactured for political polarization and driven entirely by social media.

Trans people being such a small proportion of the populace is what enables the kind of toxicity expressed in this thread. It’s a lot easier to hate and dehumanize people you never interact with personally and therefore never have to see the human costs of your vitriol.

 

[Dungeon09]

That’s fair

I don’t think it’s toxic or dehumanizing at all to point out that a person who was a biological male for 20+ years has an inherent competitive advantage in athletics than a biological woman. Surely you have to understand why there’s push back in these scenarios

Yes that’s a reasonable discussion to have and I don’t disagree but the discourse and nonsense exemplified in this thread is well beyond the narrow scope of “fairness in women’s sport”

 

[okclem]

Feel the same way about others diddling kids as well. Don't have the statistics breakdown but will take your word for it.

Right now there appears to be a clear push to normalize transgenderism with the youth of this country...no?

Replace the word "transgenderism" with "homosexuality" and voila! We're right back in the late 1990s.

Why can't y'all just leave people the hell alone? It's not hard, like...at all.

 

[tiger2vette2]

Target sold some tshirts.
Bud Lite did a low budget targeted social media hit with a niche influencer.
North Face produced a hilariously low quality YouTube commercial.

Anti-trans, drag queen, anti-LGBTQ, and “groomer” discourse has dominated the conservative news cycle for like 3+ years now. Any commercial entity who even acknowledges the existence of LGBTQ individuals is pariah status to you freaks and anyone who doesn’t give enough of a sh¡y to fall in line with the virtue signaling is a target as well. It’s not even a little ambiguous that the ultimate intent is to apply enough social and commercial pressure that LGTBQ individuals can’t live openly.

Thanks for saying this. Very funny to me people are complaining about this being “shoved down their throats” when it’s only because niche, compartmentalized marketing efforts get amplified by their preferred fear-mongering news sources, which then tell them it’s a sign of the end times / an attack on their religion / etc.

 

[okclem]

uh-huh

So why reference it?

There's power there and in the names Jesus and God.
Even those that defame those names, taking them in vain and using them in absolutely unnecessary parts of a retort to gain "emphasis" ......recognize and know the power.

Innately.

I suppose you'd say Jesus Christ is 'just another' name to you.
But you use it to 'enforce' the importance of many of your reponses.
Many do on here.
Why?
Why not, "Bubba!" Or "Sally!"
Doesn't do it for you, does it?

haha....we all know why. And, all who fall into this category do, as well.

Thank you, friend for making a point that no evangelist anywhere could have accomplished.

I referenced it to highlight the hypocrisy that he, and you for that matter, constantly display here with your judgmental heads.

 

[Bootiger61]

This is being driven largely by the push for ESG at the board level of publicly-traded companies by the institutional investor and/or regulatory communities.

Most of the executives and board members of these companies aren’t really committed to any of these causes - they’re just cowards who are trying to hold onto their huge salaries and lavish lifestyles, and figure it’s easier to “go along to get along” vs pushing back on activist investors and/or social activists looking to shake them down. The execs and board members are the ones standing by and letting this happen, and they’re banking on the vast majority of sane people being too busy and too distracted to care or do anything to punish them for it. And they’re causing irreparable harm to companies, workers, and individual investors in the process.

You would not believe the money that PWC, KPMG, and other consulting firms are getting paid to implement bullshit ESG plans at publicly traded firms. The unbelievably negative impacts of ESG won’t be realized for years, and by then, these firms and all of the other “experts” will be on to the next money-making scheme.

I'm not so sure that the executives/ board members aren't fully on board with it. They have been fed it for years growing up in elite private (and public) schools and universities

 

[Dungeon09]

Replace the word "transgenderism" with "homosexuality" and voila! We're right back in the late 1990s.

Why can't y'all just leave people the hell alone? It's not hard, like...at all.

Remember the satanic panic? When teenagers who listened to Judas Priest and played D&D were the greatest threat to American society and its children because the right wing media was convincing people there was an epidemic of satanic child sacrifice.

Incredible how they just change a couple of words in the script every couple of years and people keep falling for it.

 

[okclem]

Thanks for saying this. Very funny to me people are complaining about this being “shoved down their throats” when it’s only because niche, compartmentalized marketing efforts get amplified by their preferred fear-mongering news sources, which then tell them it’s a sign of the end times / an attack on their religion / etc.

The nazis competed with each other to see who could be the most fanatical. Fanatic was a word that carried immense pride and positive connotations in Nazi Germany.

Not a lot of difference between a 1935 Nazi and a 2023 Maga.

 

[okclem]

Remember the satanic panic? When teenagers who listened to Judas Priest and played D&D were the greatest threat to American society and its children because the right wing media was convincing people there was an epidemic of satanic child sacrifice.

Incredible how they just change a couple of words in the script every couple of years and people keep falling for it.

It's astonishing. The entire Qanon ethos is just a repackaged protocols of the elders of zion that said Jews eat babies. In the 60s during the Civil rights movement, every black person was a communist sympathizer or an outright communist, and so was any white person sympathetic to the cause.

 

[okclem]

Thanks for saying this. Very funny to me people are complaining about this being “shoved down their throats” when it’s only because niche, compartmentalized marketing efforts get amplified by their preferred fear-mongering news sources, which then tell them it’s a sign of the end times / an attack on their religion / etc.

I bet I wouldn't know about a single one of these marketing campaigns if that right wing ecosystem of media wasn't amplifying it. Because every time I hear about it, it's from a Maga on tiger illustrated.

 

[Mr. Roger Dorn]

Lots of panties - err undergarments - in a wad ITT.

 

[Mr Toad]

The nazis competed with each other to see who could be the most fanatical. Fanatic was a word that carried immense pride and positive connotations in Nazi Germany.

Not a lot of difference between a 1935 Nazi and a 2023 Maga.

Not a lot of difference between a 1935 Nazi and a 2023 liberal either.

 

[SDTiger9]

This is being driven largely by the push for ESG at the board level of publicly-traded companies by the institutional investor and/or regulatory communities.

Most of the executives and board members of these companies aren’t really committed to any of these causes - they’re just cowards who are trying to hold onto their huge salaries and lavish lifestyles, and figure it’s easier to “go along to get along” vs pushing back on activist investors and/or social activists looking to shake them down. The execs and board members are the ones standing by and letting this happen, and they’re banking on the vast majority of sane people being too busy and too distracted to care or do anything to punish them for it. And they’re causing irreparable harm to companies, workers, and individual investors in the process.

You would not believe the money that PWC, KPMG, and other consulting firms are getting paid to implement bullshit ESG plans at publicly traded firms. The unbelievably negative impacts of ESG won’t be realized for years, and by then, these firms and all of the other “experts” will be on to the next money-making scheme.

This x1000

 

[chassc]

You’re talking about Oklahoma where they protested in the capital rotunda, not “stormed the capital” over a package of proposed laws that included bans in gender affirming care for adults.

If you want to accuse me of “downplaying one dude while magnifying the other” then habibi be the change you wish to see.

If the intent is to have an objective conversation then that’s possible but so far this discourse is entirely histrionics and moral panic. If the entire trans discourse evaporated tomorrow then the only thing that changes for any of us is that we don’t have to endure this particular noxious front in the culture wars any longer. Outside of occasionally seeing non-normative people in media, your life doesn’t change at all, and for anyone that simply seeing other people who are different poses a crisis, I would suggest getting a job or maybe a hobby to occupy their attention more constructively. Most people here could count on one hand the number of times they’ve interacted directly with a trans person. It’s literally an issue manufactured for political polarization and driven entirely by social media.

Trans people being such a small proportion of the populace is what enables the kind of toxicity expressed in this thread. It’s a lot easier to hate and dehumanize people you never interact with personally and therefore never have to see the human costs of your vitriol.

I’m talking about Kentucky and the issue was absolutely minors.
Again, pretending that all trans people are just going about their 9-5 lives and not bringing any attention to themselves while a bunch of conservatives are following them around screaming at them is just a lie. You know that.
Why weren’t people screaming for sex change surgeries for kids 20 years ago? Why weren’t people saying that laws against it and laws against biological men in women’s sports and Locker rooms was “genocide” 20 years ago? Why did we all of a sudden have a need for books with sexual illustrations and pornographic literature in schools?
Again, if you couldn’t foresee a pushback against this shit then I’ll adjust my expectations when talking to you.

 

[tigrbybirth]

Nope, I think there is a group that are pedos and it is being flaunted. The movement seems to keep taking more than what probably was originally asked for... People are getting fed up.

You obey the laws, then do your own thing. No fvck given here.

Admittedly, my sample is pretty limited, but I'm friends with a number of gay an lesbian people, but only couple of transgender people. One of my gay friends is more "out there", but overall, he's a good person. The rest of my gay friends are as down the middle as you can imagine. They have jobs, they contribute to society and are generally just good people. One of my transgendered friends is as impressive as anyone you would want to meet. If he's representative of that group as a whole, we need more. The other two are just people with all the same hopes, fears, and insecurities as everyone else. None of my gay friends and none of my transgender friends are pedofiles and none have ever caused a social problem based on their sexual orientation. I've known 2 transgender people who were sensitive about what they were called. I thought it was dumb, but I'm not them and it's not my call.

I've only known one pedophile and was shocked when he was arrested. He seemed like a very normal person, white male in his late 20s or maybe early 30s. I don't know any of the details. He was a high school teacher, and maybe he was dumb enough to hook up with a mature appearing 16-year-old, or maybe it was something worse. I have read statistically that the percentages of pedophiles that are gay or lesbian is well below the percentage of those groups in the general population, meaning that pedophiles are much more likely to be straight. From my limited experience, that is quite true.

 

[okclem]

I’m talking about Kentucky and the issue was absolutely minors.
Again, pretending that all trans people are just going about their 9-5 lives and not bringing any attention to themselves while a bunch of conservatives are following them around screaming at them is just a lie. You know that.
Why weren’t people screaming for sex change surgeries for kids 20 years ago? Why weren’t people saying that laws against it and laws against biological men in women’s sports and Locker rooms was “genocide” 20 years ago? Why did we all of a sudden have a need for books with sexual illustrations and pornographic literature in schools?
Again, if you couldn’t foresee a pushback against this shit then I’ll adjust my expectations when talking to you.

Oh I can totally understand the pushback. Right wing assholes push back on everything that is weird to or different from them.

 

[okclem]

Well why not, it doesn’t bother me one bit that others are different from me. What does bother me, and it should bother everyone of us who have a sense of morality, what bothers me is the sexualization of our kids!!! What bothers me is trying to shove this agenda down people’s throats! What bothers me is people thinking this mess is normal when it is not! What bothers me is people talking to 6, 7, 8 year old kids about how to transgender! What bothers me is this garbage being taught in our schools!

I couldn’t care less if we disagree politically! Again, this is not about politics, it’s about morality and this is morality sickening!

Some ITT want to take a pop shot at the Bible and one day when they stand before God they will wish that could take that disrespectful comment back.

At what age do you think children learn about the birds and the bees?

 

[okclem]

Not a lot of difference between a 1935 Nazi and a 2023 liberal either.

🤣🤣 you say this like there's some equivalency between Magas and Liberals. There's not.

 

[iceheart08]

You suck, you judgmental hypocrite. You don't know me at all. I don't care how anyone else lives their lives.

I was calling him out on a clear, undeniable lie. Why don't you answer some of the questions I posed and prove me wrong?

This guy is offended by the mere presence of trans people in popular culture and is calling others "judgemental hypocrites".

Do you even know what hypocrite means?

 

[housess1]

This is being driven largely by the push for ESG at the board level of publicly-traded companies by the institutional investor and/or regulatory communities.

Most of the executives and board members of these companies aren’t really committed to any of these causes - they’re just cowards who are trying to hold onto their huge salaries and lavish lifestyles, and figure it’s easier to “go along to get along” vs pushing back on activist investors and/or social activists looking to shake them down. The execs and board members are the ones standing by and letting this happen, and they’re banking on the vast majority of sane people being too busy and too distracted to care or do anything to punish them for it. And they’re causing irreparable harm to companies, workers, and individual investors in the process.

You would not believe the money that PWC, KPMG, and other consulting firms are getting paid to implement bullshit ESG plans at publicly traded firms. The unbelievably negative impacts of ESG won’t be realized for years, and by then, these firms and all of the other “experts” will be on to the next money-making scheme.

The scariest application of ESG is pension funds. The largest is CALIPER - pension fund for state employees of the People's Republic of California. They missed out on the average 58% ROI for fossil fuel companies (as pointed out by the WSJ). Investment in solar projects, wind farms, and electric car firms has a collective negative return. California has gone from surplus to running in the red overnight and is looking to raise taxes to fund CALIPER shortfall.

 

[funkbott]

You’re talking about Oklahoma where they protested in the capital rotunda, not “stormed the capital” over a package of proposed laws that included bans in gender affirming care for adults.

If you want to accuse me of “downplaying one dude while magnifying the other” then habibi be the change you wish to see.

If the intent is to have an objective conversation then that’s possible but so far this discourse is entirely histrionics and moral panic. If the entire trans discourse evaporated tomorrow then the only thing that changes for any of us is that we don’t have to endure this particular noxious front in the culture wars any longer. Outside of occasionally seeing non-normative people in media, your life doesn’t change at all, and for anyone that simply seeing other people who are different poses a crisis, I would suggest getting a job or maybe a hobby to occupy their attention more constructively. Most people here could count on one hand the number of times they’ve interacted directly with a trans person. It’s literally an issue manufactured for political polarization and driven entirely by social media.

Trans people being such a small proportion of the populace is what enables the kind of toxicity expressed in this thread. It’s a lot easier to hate and dehumanize people you never interact with personally and therefore never have to see the human costs of your vitriol.

Yes that’s a reasonable discussion to have and I don’t disagree but the discourse and nonsense exemplified in this thread is well beyond the narrow scope of “fairness in women’s sport”

Impressive vocabulary. It’s also pretty impressive that you are able to point to any number of people that you also don’t know personally and tell them what does and doesn’t affect them.

I used Lia Thomas as one specific example of how people could be and have been inversely impacted by these issues. Locker rooms/dressing rooms are another. You may not agree or feel the same way, but the fact is, there is a significant number of people who would be uncomfortable sharing dressing areas with a transgender woman with fully intact genitalia. Or having their children share that same area. Is that “toxic?” Again, I’m playing devil’s advocate here; you make a lot of blanket statements that don’t really hold any weight because people really are affected by this outside of the news & social media….and telling people to “get a hobby” or “touch some grass” because they feel that way is pretty silly and borderline ignorant, IMO.

I think it’s great that you feel so strongly about this subject and are willing to stand up for your beliefs. However, my suggestion would be to stop acting like you know everything about everyone and recognize that your life & experiences are different from everybody else in the world. You sound pretty young….just because YOU personally aren’t affected by any of the aforementioned circumstances doesn’t mean that other people who feel strongly don’t have their own reasons for feeling that way.

And I get it - there’s a difference between objecting/pushing back and flat out hate speech/vitriol. Unfortunately that comes with the territory in an online, anonymous message board. It goes both ways too, though….lots of hasty generalizations by both camps in pretty much any politically-charged “dialogue.”

 

[Willence]

Just so we’re keeping things in the proper context, at least 1900 minors abused by the Catholic Church in Illinois alone. If child abuse by trans folks is as big a deal as you’re making out of it, it shouldn’t be hard to find say…1% of that number nationwide of cases of csa by trans individuals. Let’s make it easier than that on you. Let’s do .1% and round to the nearest whole number. Come up with two and I’ll believe this isn’t just moral panic orchestrated by political ghouls.

Youre right that the sex abuse in the church was awful. It was awful in Scouts too. Harassment of women in the work place is awful. Porn is awful, run by horrendous people and really bad for everyone involved. All of these things were a catastrophic situation for everyone who was involved in these institutions. The willful blindness to reality was a big part of what allowed these things to occur.

Hint: Youre repeating all the same mistakes while using past events to justify it. That makes you a Mt. Rushmore candidate in the land of ignorance.

 

[iceheart08]

I missed the part where you listed companies coming out against trans/lgbtq.

Show me examples where anyone has attacked a trans/lgbtq person for just living openly vs trying to push their lifestyle on others.

If the miltary/schools etc were were having heterosexual women performing and straddling elementary kids everyone would be asking what the F was going on. Yet, somehow it is perfectly acceptable if you are not heterosexual. Please explain that to me. I am not in favor of either.

Also, please show me where any company has come out with any type of add/merchandise/etc in support of a heterosexual lifestyle? Just one.

This last paragraph is absolutely wild. And you aren't joking? Do you not have eyes?

This ****ing guy.

Trans person in an ad: STOP SHOVING IT IN MY FACE

Straight couple in almost every ad in history with a couple in: NO COMPANY DOES ANYTHING TO NORMALIZE STRAIGHTNESS

 

[tiger2vette2]

Admittedly, my sample is pretty limited, but I'm friends with a number of gay an lesbian people, but only couple of transgender people. One of my gay friends is more "out there", but overall, he's a good person. The rest of my gay friends are as down the middle as you can imagine. They have jobs, they contribute to society and are generally just good people. One of my transgendered friends is as impressive as anyone you would want to meet. If he's representative of that group as a whole, we need more. The other two are just people with all the same hopes, fears, and insecurities as everyone else. None of my gay friends and none of my transgender friends are pedofiles and none have ever caused a social problem based on their sexual orientation. I've known 2 transgender people who were sensitive about what they were called. I thought it was dumb, but I'm not them and it's not my call.

I've only known one pedophile and was shocked when he was arrested. He seemed like a very normal person, white male in his late 20s or maybe early 30s. I don't know any of the details. He was a high school teacher, and maybe he was dumb enough to hook up with a mature appearing 16-year-old, or maybe it was something worse. I have read statistically that the percentages of pedophiles that are gay or lesbian is well below the percentage of those groups in the general population, meaning that pedophiles are much more likely to be straight. From my limited experience, that is quite true.

I wish more people were like you. Mostly just in terms of trusting their life experience rather than believing what the people on the tv and internet with an agenda tell them is happening in their lives.

 

[Dungeon09]

I’m talking about Kentucky and the issue was absolutely minors.
Again, pretending that all trans people are just going about their 9-5 lives and not bringing any attention to themselves while a bunch of conservatives are following them around screaming at them is just a lie. You know that.
Why weren’t people screaming for sex change surgeries for kids 20 years ago? Why weren’t people saying that laws against it and laws against biological men in women’s sports and Locker rooms was “genocide” 20 years ago? Why did we all of a sudden have a need for books with sexual illustrations and pornographic literature in schools?
Again, if you couldn’t foresee a pushback against this shit then I’ll adjust my expectations when talking to you.

Do you think the government should get to override medical decisions that parents, kids, and their doctors make regarding care? Change “receiveing gender affirming care” to “forgoing Covid-19 vaccination” and how strongly do you feel about the government’s role in making those determinations?

There were teenagers receiving reassignment surgery 20 years ago. I went to Clemson with one. She was featured on a national news program talking about her experience. She used the women’s room but I don’t think she was into sports at all. Regardless, it wasn’t a big deal. People acknowledged that hey, this is an unusual thing in upstate SC, but one cared because it wasn’t a political wedge issue and people were much more adept at minding their own business before the smart phone+social media era.

There were copies of encyclopedia Britannica in my SC middle school with graphical depictions of intercourse and reproductive systems. My dirtbag friends and I would always make sure to leave them sitting open to those pages on the chapter before we left library period.

Peel away the outrage and histrionic framing here for a second. This is all mundanity manufactured by people who want to distract you from how rich they’re getting at your expense.

 

[Orange&Purple]

At what age do you think children learn about the birds and the bees?

Unfortunately it’s in Middle School now…not a 5 or 6 year old, thank goodness!

What I find amazing is that you and a few others ITT are trying to justify this mess! It’s sickening that y’all think this is just normal. Not everyone has to agree in life and not everyone will see eye to eye but to think this agenda is ok is pathetic…you’re talking about children!!

While I’m at it. You want to talk about labels and yet you want to label anyone who disagrees with you as MAGA which shows a lack of intelligence!

 

[Dungeon09]

The scariest application of ESG is pension funds. The largest is CALIPER - pension fund for state employees of the People's Republic of California. They missed out on the average 58% ROI for fossil fuel companies (as pointed out by the WSJ). Investment in solar projects, wind farms, and electric car firms has a collective negative return. California has gone from surplus to running in the red overnight and is looking to raise taxes to fund CALIPER shortfall.

ESG as it relates to energy is a real issue. The fact that it gets bludgeoned into culture war issues like this sucks because it cheapens what should be a real conversation about economic and energy security.

 

[funkbott]

The nazis competed with each other to see who could be the most fanatical. Fanatic was a word that carried immense pride and positive connotations in Nazi Germany.

Not a lot of difference between a 1935 Nazi and a 2023 Maga.

There is is again. Can you define what a MAGA is? Is it a Trump supporter? Is it any person who identifies as a Republican? Is it any person who leans to the right on any single one of a number of hot-button topics? Is it any person who disagrees with your particular point of view?

It’s amazing to me how the camp that supposedly preaches inclusivity is so quick to label any person who doesn’t fully agree with everything they believe as the most notoriously evil, murderous group in modern history. Again, very ironic and almost reminds me of the nameless, faceless “terrorist” label that was applied to many groups in the aftermath of 9/11

 

[okclem]

I wish more people were like you. Mostly just in terms of trusting their life experience rather than believing what the people on the tv and internet with an agenda tell them is happening in their lives.

That's another key to this. How many of these people in this very thread, have even encountered a trans person, let alone know one?

I don't even know any that I'm aware of, and I'm a liberal.

This isn't the invading hordes of barbarians at the gates of Rome. It's a minute percentage of the population that is likely concentrated in areas far away from most Clemson fans.

 

[okclem]

Unfortunately it’s in Middle School now…not a 5 or 6 year old, thank goodness!

What I find amazing is that you and a few others ITT are trying to justify this mess! It’s sickening that y’all think this is just normal. Not everyone has to agree in life and not everyone will see eye to eye but to think this agenda is ok is pathetic…you’re talking about children!!

While I’m at it. You want to talk about labels and yet you want to label anyone who disagrees with you as MAGA which shows a lack of intelligence!

I only label people who voted for Trump twice as Maga. Do you think I should call them something else? Does the term Maga offend you now too?

 

[Orange&Purple]

I only label people who voted for Trump twice as Maga. Do you think I should call them something else? Does the term Maga offend you now too?

It doesn’t at all…your lack of intelligence does!

 

[okclem]

It doesn’t at all…your lack of intelligence does!

Well 1 out of 2 will have to do, Maga.

 

[Dungeon09]

Impressive vocabulary. It’s also pretty impressive that you are able to point to any number of people that you also don’t know personally and tell them what does and doesn’t affect them.

I used Lia Thomas as one specific example of how people could be and have been inversely impacted by these issues. Locker rooms/dressing rooms are another. You may not agree or feel the same way, but the fact is, there is a significant number of people who would be uncomfortable sharing dressing areas with a transgender woman with fully intact genitalia. Or having their children share that same area. Is that “toxic?” Again, I’m playing devil’s advocate here; you make a lot of blanket statements that don’t really hold any weight because people really are affected by this outside of the news & social media….and telling people to “get a hobby” or “touch some grass” because they feel that way is pretty silly and borderline ignorant, IMO.

I think it’s great that you feel so strongly about this subject and are willing to stand up for your beliefs. However, my suggestion would be to stop acting like you know everything about everyone and recognize that your life & experiences are different from everybody else in the world. You sound pretty young….just because YOU personally aren’t affected by any of the aforementioned circumstances doesn’t mean that other people who feel strongly don’t have their own reasons for feeling that way.

And I get it - there’s a difference between objecting/pushing back and flat out hate speech/vitriol. Unfortunately that comes with the territory in an online, anonymous message board. It goes both ways too, though….lots of hasty generalizations by both camps in pretty much any politically-charged “dialogue.”

Yes these are complex issues that warrant reasonable dialogue.

One side believes “trans people are pedos and we should throw them all in jail and the other believes that those people are assholes. These aren’t moral equivalents. When the opening statement is that your right to not have to see other people existing supersedes that group’s right to exist then you’ve waived any claim to civil discourse.

 

[Dungeon09]

don’t pretend like your side isn’t provoking a whole lot of the pushback and vitriol it’s receiving.

“It’s not my fault I did evil things, they provoked me!”

 

[Dungeon09]

Youre right that the sex abuse in the church was awful. It was awful in Scouts too. Harassment of women in the work place is awful. Porn is awful, run by horrendous people and really bad for everyone involved. All of these things were a catastrophic situation for everyone who was involved in these institutions. The willful blindness to reality was a big part of what allowed these things to occur.

Hint: Youre repeating all the same mistakes while using past events to justify it. That makes you a Mt. Rushmore candidate in the land of ignorance.

My point is that all of those things have had a very real and very large human cost and yet the primary concern on the right is Sunday afternoon drag queen bingo (iykyk) and the medical decisions of .004% of the population.

 

[tgrharley]

Heterosexual groups are taking in more pedos and people are getting tired of it. We’ve had enough.

See I can say dumb things too.

Are you queer?