holy crap. the death toll is 50 now
you should probably have a beer too. you let people get WAAAAAAYYYYY to under your skin
you should probably have a beer too. you let people get WAAAAAAYYYYY to under your skin
Orlando nightclub massacre...
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i think you misunderstand the point of all my posts on the topic. i am neither an atheist, nor an agnostic, and I have no real connection to islam in any way. I want islam and christianity to regard each other in civil disputes as Christians and Jews do. Pervasive ignorance and arrogance by christians and the christian establishment, in my opinion, acts as a barrier to achieving that goal. You might note in my posts, i am 10x as critical of Islamic Governments and Islamic Clerics.
I have no religious respect for Islam. My only goal is that my faith, Christianity, and their faith might one day regard each other as my faith regards the Jewish faith. I think that is what my lord and savior would want.
I have done my research. I know how this mess of terrorism evolved. My wife is a Muslim from Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world, and the country is appalled by what is going on. My brother-in-law is an Indonesian Military Officer and they have been told to shoot any ISIS members/recruiters on the spot...no courts required. I have my facts.
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Any MF'er roaming in public spouting off about ISIS should either be put on a slow boat to Syria or put in a maximum security prison in the southwest desert never to be heard from again. This piss ant should not have been roaming the streets in FL or NY period.
The days of putting these mouth breathers on a watch list by the FBI is long gone.
And any liberal tard endorsing Hillary and her comments about stiffer gun laws need to jump off a cliff please and do us all a favor.
The days of putting these mouth breathers on a watch list by the FBI is long gone.
And any liberal tard endorsing Hillary and her comments about stiffer gun laws need to jump off a cliff please and do us all a favor.
No dispute? According to who? I can link TONS of data that prove otherwise and cite a multitude of theological scholars that disagree with your claims.
@11tigers11 @toolucky52384 allah is not the same God I serve as a Christian. My God is the trinity. The father, son and Holy Spirit
I don't understand why people can't have a reasonable discussion about the facts. None of the below can be settled with 100% certainty for obvious reasons. but this is what I understand and see.
The FBI had two separate cases, in 2013 and 2014, that alerted them to this guys behavior, both of which were closed. Not sure why - but what's done is done. And now this. We live in a culture where when we see an orange, we can't call it an orange without certain people trying to convince us its a banana, even when the orange tastes like a citrus and says it is. Mainly our president and/or individuals who are in positions to affect change. Watch the differences in the videos being released locally and produced nationally. You can almost see a difference in the understanding over the true impact of the disparity. the FLA governor recently looked relieved when the FBI agent got up and used the word "Islamic" terrorist. The FBI agent, admitted embarrassing truths to the situation. Then we have a president, who even leading up to today has been prancing around the truth to radical Islamic agendas. I've lost faith in his ability to objectively free up the agencies dealing with issues such as this so that they are equipped with unlimited resources to ensure the freedom of individuals like ourselves. Combine this with his quick snap judgements with regarding issues that advance his own agenda. He can contrive this episode with "wanting the facts before speaking". But why wasn't that "patience" used with Benghazi or every other issue that he didn't either need to support a political ally or advance an agenda.
When there is a clear face to threat and terror, it needs to be given it. The longer that takes, the more harm there is.
yes - mateen was born in the united states, yes he is a legal citizen. BUT today we still are publicily opening our arms to heavily populated Muslim countries who have these radicals in their midst. We cannot continue to have such open arms (this is just my opinion) while also not recognizing the massive long term threat that it opens ourselves up to. Our security should be their biggest concern, and I just don't see them acting that way, which is insulting and sad. Call it what it is, and let's see what their solution is. There's obviously still time, however, this isn't the first, won't be the last, and has been building up for awhile.
There have been ten things come out today that supports this being a radical Muslim carrying out his/their clearly stated objective in compassionately killing homosexuals. Homosexual issues aside, its murder. Murdering 50 people. Christians or conservative republicans who don't support homosexual practice DON'T say that they need to be "compassionately murdered"; at most they desire to have the freedom to simply say "i'm sorry but we can't conduct your wedding in our church".
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This is great and all but it's extremely naive. Do you not understand that they don't want "regard" us in any way other than death. That's the only language they understand or want. There is no talking or reasoning here. It's sad but true. Anybody who doesn't understand that on a day like this has their head in the sand.
People like you make me laugh. I have already explained Christians, Jews, and Muslims all pray to and believe in the same God.
People like you I truly feel sorry for.
It is about their lack of secular education and the corruption in the middle east.
and now you are being naive, because there are millions upon millions of muslims that want a peaceful truce with christianity and americans.
As an American Christian, I am praying for all involved....
And I'm also praying for MANY in this thread...
And I'm also praying for MANY in this thread...
Haha. If this was true they could easily handle this problem instead of at worst turning a blind eye. They breed this. They let it go on in their community. Many support it. Where are all these peaceful Muslims that are outraged? Why aren't they cleaning their own house? The truth is that it's popular and politically correct to say Islam is a peaceful religion. It's not and its proved time and again. I'mout of this thread as its really a waste of time. I won't convince you of anything and the reverse is true. We are all set in our ways. Like I said earlier - I really believe we all want the same thing. We want to prevent this stuff from happening. We just have very different views on how to do so.
Muslims in the middle east don't have the same technology to understand what is going on in the world. Yes, the largest Muslim country in the world is outraged and prepared to do something. However, the Indonesians can't solve the corrupt middle east.
should start working in their own country
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/16...presidents-troubling-silence-lgbt-persecution
Well, send a message to your congressmen. Let them know you are pissed off and want the problem solved.
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Read up on the history of Afghanistan regarding anyone's attempt to "westernize" the country. It's pretty clear what happens and what they want (at least in that country).
You should have just said, "it's difficult for any religion consisting of 1.5 billion followers with 1,250 variable beliefs, to come together with one clear consistent position"
You would have looked more informed
But, even the bible doesn't condone gay relations. This has absolutely nothing to do with what happened today. It just gave the person a target to go after.
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No we do not. To say this shows your ignorance.
Did I mention the bible? Everything you've posted in this thread has nothing to do with what happened today and I was responding to one of those posts.....
No...but what you did say by linking the article is that Indonesia is somewhat responsible because they don't believe in gay rights.
Don't believe in gay rights is a bit of an understatement. Wherever Sharia law is prevalent, the right of homosexuals to even live, is in grave danger.
Then you should start writing better posts and explaining your link.
"Should start working in their own country" with a link.
What the hell does that mean and how is that relevant based on the link you provided? Because of your lack of information, I had to infer what you were trying to say.
Open homosexuality is tolerated in Afghanistan?
Do their current political leaders openly state that gays should be put to death or is that exclusive to Indonesia?
Thanks in advance
It was relevant because you posted this, that the Indonesians were prepared to do something because they were outraged. Prior poster just rightly pointed out, they can start doing something in their own country to help, they don't need to worry about solving the Middle East's problems.
I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about. Let's start small, which one is works based?
I will say it is ignored...just like the rest of the corruption in the country.
I will say there is massive corruption in Indonesia in the Gov't, but the military has full authorization to deal with ISIS however they feel within the country. The Gov't in Indonesia does not control the military.
No one's talking about corruption or ISIS, but the creeping influence of Sharia law. ISIS is bad enough but they are on the fringes. Sharia law itself is much more widespread and problematic when it comes to meshing with Western liberal values.
