SC House Passed Amendments To Budget Today Outlawing Mandatory Masks, Mandatory Tests and Mandatory Vaccines
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Totally agree! Telling me I have to take a vaccine is taking away my liberty to choose. Not saying I won't or have not, just make it my choice.
Not sure why you are afraid of the shot but its ok lil fella. No reason to be scared.
No one is forcing anyone to take the vaccine. Highly encouraged and looked down upon if not taken? Sure. But that doesnt cross any liberties. Just hurts your little feelings.
I'm all for civil discourse. Calling people dumb rednecks, idiots, little fella, libtard, etc.... just reveals your true character. Intelligent people discuss facts and differences civilly not just name call
You are right they do. And then people completely ignore points made, move the goalposts, or troll. And once that happens, civil discussion is no longer possible.
Thanks for being the white knight to this thread though.
Nope, not yet. Who's looking down on who? I think you have that backwards my friend! You cannot answer any questions when facts are presented to you without calling someone an idiot, but you do a good job at making yourself look very young and immature.
BTW, it's "doesn't" am I doing it right?
Not trying to be the White Knight at all. You do for whatever reason have a history of belittling people from your perch. Just not sure that's productive when it comes to discussing the issues. And yes I realize it happens on both sides of the aisle. Neither side is immune to trolling or ignoring points
Good. It should be a choice..to take it or not take it with no negative ramifications in either scenario or restrictions to move freely in any way
The fact is, none of you "liberties" are or were being taken away from you. The vaccine is completely safe and helps our society move forward to a better world. People who are actively against getting the vaccine normally are doing it for selfish/ignorant reasons.
Nothing to dispute there.
TI is very much an echo chamber on topics like these. I am just one of the few who goes against that echo chamber. No apologies if that bothers someone else.
Who said I'm not vaccinated? I got my second shot back in April. It was my choice, just like it's your choice to get vaccinated or not. What you or anyone else chooses to do is not my concern, or your concern for that matter. That's my point, dipshit.
You have the right to think the vaccine is completely safe and I hope you are correct. I just have the liberty of choice to not take it. You do not have the facts, long term, that this vaccine is safe and for myself and many others that is their reason. Are some doing it for selfish/ignorant reason, probably so. You cannot however lump everyone in that same boat.
Nothing to dispute here.
Going against the echo chamber is fine. No problem with that. Belittling people in the process which is kind of your trademark is another thing altogether. You seem like an intelligent guy, not sure why you so often resort to insults
Vaccines have been required for multiple things in our society. This should be no different. Why you argue it should makes you look really foolish.
Really more leftists than classical liberals but it’s all getting jumbled these days. Classical Liberalism is about individual freedom/liberty.
Leftism is I can’t be happy unless I make everyone else like me and punish those who aren’t.
Yep. And it’s actually waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than 1% for College/School Aged.
IIRC there were 218 deaths in 2020 amongst <18.
Well guess what, it's not required. And as much as it irks you, people have the freedom to choose what they put into their bodies. It's not your business. The problem with people like you is that you just won't leave people alone and will force your ideologies down their throats. It's not helping your cause, at all.
Again if someone wants to have a reasonable conversation, all for it. Once i see that poster has given little effort or real intention to actually discussing reality, I'm gonna call them out for it.
I'm sorry you don't like the insults.
Lol you must be an awesome guy to hang out with. Keep swinging away
Getting a vaccine and highly recommending people to end a global pandemic is not an ideology.
I'm sorry that "ideology" bothers you so much.
This is an excerpt from the CDC btw.
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
doesn't bother me personally. Just seems like you're a little uptight trying to swim against the echo chamber and your feelings are pretty Raw at times therefore the insults
Glad it doesn't bother you.
Again if people don't have good intentions for a discussion or are willingly ignorant then I'm going to call them out for it.
but your definition of ignorance is anyone that doesn't accept your stance on an issue. Anyone that differs with you on a subject is called an idiot or some other name so I assume you believe that person to be willingly ignorant
Well, the government already requires certain vaccines for school attendance, or to enter the country. This isn’t anything new. They also aren’t just mandating that people get any vaccine or punishing anybody for not getting vaccinated. The requirements are a condition of participation in certain things. So people always have a choice whether they will get a certain vaccine or not, but that doesn’t keep their choice from being a bad one, or one that won’t keep them from being able to participate in things where they might spread disease or catch disease. This isn’t really a liberal or conservative thing, it’s just a public health thing.
It’s kind of interesting how we’ve regressed on vaccines. It’s like people suddenly think they’re really dangerous and that vaccine requirements are a threat to freedom just because they have to think about them now.
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And I’m sorry that personal freedoms bother you so much. Maybe you should move to a more restrictive country like Canada where the government can force you to do whatever they want. After all, it’s your freedom to do so. Or not. Not my business.
This isn’t really a personal freedom issue, unless you think we shouldn’t have any vaccine requirements. That would be a major change to the way we do things, and would also be a huge public health problem. Vaccinations aren’t just private issues.
This isn’t the polio vaccine that has been proven effective for close to 100 years. It’s experimental, whether you want to admit it or not, and people have the right to refuse to get it. If that bothers you so much, you can also move to Canada where your new overlords will mandate masks for you until 2023. Or don’t, I don’t care. It’s not my business, just like everyone else’s personal health choices aren’t my business either.
Staying out of other people's business is always tough.
Some gay people want to get married.
Some want to hire only white people. Others want to be naked on the beach. Some want to buy beer for their kids parties. Some want to smoke in restaurants.
I would like everyone to be vaccinated where I send my kids to school. And I think my kids have a right to attend public schools.
So the business can't discriminate based on sex, sexual orientations, or race. But discrimination against a person's health condition or religious beliefs is okay. Got it.
I will vote for anyone running against McMaster. Not that it will matter.
This argument seems to work for killing babies. Should be the same of vaccinations then right?
What does "experimental" mean, here? It apparently just means that they're not yet fully FDA-approved, since all the vaccines being used have emergency use authorizations because they've gone through the same clinical trials that other vaccines have gone through. Both Pfizer and Moderna have applied for full FDA approval and will likely have that approval by this fall, so hopefully that will calm some of your fears.
At any rate, the stuff about moving to Canada because of vaccine requirements makes no sense. Nobody is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for everybody, they're just talking about potentially having the same kind of vaccine requirements we have for other diseases. You'd think people who want to put COVID behind us would be excited about getting to a place where it's not a problem anymore, but alas. And, once again, having the right not do something doesn't make not doing it a good choice, and doesn't prevent you from having negative consequences.
I did look up what happened with the development of the polio vaccine, since you mentioned it. Salk announced that he had a vaccine that worked in 1953, clinical trials began in 1954, and a mass vaccination campaign began in 1955. Some hiccups, which were much worse than anything that's happened with COVID vaccines, occurred. But there's always going to be a period, for every vaccine, when it's new. That period is probably also going to be during the period when the disease is still spreading widely and the vaccine is most needed. What would happen if, during the period when the disease is still spreading, people just decided they couldn't trust a vaccine until it had been used for years? If you think about it, the success of vaccination campaigns depends on people taking vaccines when they're relatively new.
I'd hope you can recognize that infectious diseases are different from skin color or identity, and that's even setting aside whether businesses should be able to discriminate based on identity.
The "my body, my choice" thing has always been a stupid way of obscuring what's actually being talked about, whether it's killing a child or getting vaccinated. In fact, a lot of anti-vaxxers do use pretty much that same line. But if you're going to care about public health at all, you have to recognize that the diseases you get and how you pass them on to others isn't really a choice. Luckily, we don't do mandatory vaccination here, but we do recognize that public health can't be completely individualistic by requiring vaccines for participation in certain things, or for entering the country.
All things considered, one could argue that the Salk vaccine could be, somewhat, experimental as well.
I'm not sure people know what they mean by using "experimental," other that they want it to sound scary.
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