Why Insane Liberals Deserve Better Than the Jan 6 House Comittee Hearing Rules

[PalmettoTiger1]

For total clarity and disclosure I am an old conservative fart who believes in treating people with respect , fairness and have Justice metered out even handed

the Jan 6 Committee had the witness yesterday that testified using a rumor and heresay claiming Trump grabbed the Steering wheel of the Beast

no cross examination allowed

well the problem with if one studies the beast there is literally no way Trump had access to get to the driver

then there is the matter of multiple people who were physically present that contradict the woman’s sight unseen testimony

No person including the worse liberal deserves to have this kangaroo court and fake. Testimony with the sham of claiming it is an investigation

so liberals even if I disagree with you I will always be on the side of fairness and listen to your side

please respect that in listening to my side

 

[dpic73]

For total clarity and disclosure I am an old conservative fart who believes in treating people with respect , fairness and have Justice metered out even handed

the Jan 6 Committee had the witness yesterday that testified using a rumor and heresay claiming Trump grabbed the Steering wheel of the Beast

no cross examination allowed

well the problem with if one studies the beast there is literally no way Trump had access to get to the driver

then there is the matter of multiple people who were physically present that contradict the woman’s sight unseen testimony

No person including the worse liberal deserves to have this kangaroo court and fake. Testimony with the sham of claiming it is an investigation

so liberals even if I disagree with you I will always be on the side of fairness and listen to your side

please respect that in listening to my side

This has been thoroughly discussed in another thread already. Did you watch the hearing? If not, don't pretend like you know something we don't. Also, quit pretending you're objective. You're an angry partisan who blames the Democrats for every problem the world has ever known. You are not credible.

- You are focusing on the least important part of her testimony
- She DID NOT make the claim herself - she relayed that Tony Ornato told her this and when it was later discussed in front of him and Bobby Engel they didn't deny it.
- She testified UNDER OATH








In addition, what the hell does this have to do with liberals? This was a former Trump supporting Republican being questioned by a former Trump supporting Republican

 

[Willence]

The only thing I was hoping for from this political show is that it would make it so Trump doesn't run again. If we get that out of it, thank you to all who participated. Beyond that, there's been so much distortion and manipulation of information that it's hard to know where to begin. But if we get no Trump from it, that works for me though I would really rather see him rejected publicly so all this dishonest argument would fall away as well.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Well, you guys know how I feel about Trump, but I gotta say here that these public committee meetings are a total waste of time. Note that I said the same damn thing about the Bengazi public hearings. Trump, like Hillary, is now a private citizen. But I notice that LOTS of folks that were all on board for a few years of Bengazi are calling this a waste of time. And vice versa... lots of folks that were griping about Bengazi are all on board with this.

Tump supporters don't give a shit about any of this. Trump could LITTERALLY (he's already done it figuratively) take a shit on the American Flag and then wipe his ass with it and he wouldn't lose his base. That's just the way it is. Trump said that himself... he could go out in the street and shoot someone with a gun and not lose any votes. Like him or not... he ain't wrong. I REALLY hoped he was, but he isn't.

 

[wrw311]

Of note, the claimed "steering wheel" incident was not in the Beast, it was in a secret service SUV he went into when leaving the Ellipse.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I was hoping that you guys got the point that regardless of who we are or what we believe we are all entitled to a fair unbiased due process that seeks truth

BTW. The man the lady said told her is today saying he never told her anything about what she testified

So another lying weasel wearing a dress

Sad that people have fallen to this level

 

[dpic73]

I was hoping that you guys got the point that regardless of who we are or what we believe we are all entitled to a fair unbiased due process that seeks truth

BTW. The man the lady said told her is today saying he never told her anything about what she testified

So another lying weasel wearing a dress

Sad that people have fallen to this level

He needs to say it UNDER OATH

 

[scotchtiger]

The only thing I was hoping for from this political show is that it would make it so Trump doesn't run again. If we get that out of it, thank you to all who participated. Beyond that, there's been so much distortion and manipulation of information that it's hard to know where to begin. But if we get no Trump from it, that works for me though I would really rather see him rejected publicly so all this dishonest argument would fall away as well.

Pretty much where I am. The vast majority of the country doesn't GAS about these hearings. But maybe it nukes Trump for 2024. That's a win.

 

[DW4_2016]

Pretty much where I am. The vast majority of the country doesn't GAS about these hearings. But maybe it nukes Trump for 2024. That's a win.

only makes his base more steadfast. he probably has a higher chance to win the republican nomination after these hearings

 

[firegiver]

Hah witness tampering is the big story

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

He needs to say it UNDER OATH

We agree on something

Once he testifies and refutes the woman that’s when she should be flogged for lying

 

[97ClemsonMac]

only makes his base more steadfast. he probably has a higher chance to win the republican nomination after these hearings

Yeah I agree with this. Based on his reaction alone to these hearings I think it would only make him want to run even more but I could be wrong

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

only makes his base more steadfast. he probably has a higher chance to win the republican nomination after these hearings

I did not support Trump the first time, however based on the hate and fear mongering along with the huge lies by liberals and Democrats on the fake fabricated Russian Collusion conspiracy against the US government I have shifted that if people fear him that much he is the right man to run this country

As I have said in another thread executions for sedition and treason should not be off the table
For the many traitors to Democracy

when he runs in 24 I plan to donate and support his election

 

[clemben]

I was hoping that you guys got the point that regardless of who we are or what we believe we are all entitled to a fair unbiased due process that seeks truth

BTW. The man the lady said told her is today saying he never told her anything about what she testified

So another lying weasel wearing a dress

Sad that people have fallen to this level

Honest question--how much of the committee have you watched?

How much of the Mueller Report did you bother to read? (you call it a fabricated Russian collusion conspiracy but did you read the actual report??)

See--you show your true colors by calling her a lying weasel. She testified UNDER OATH to what she was TOLD--not witnessed first hand.

And Tony Ornato is free to come in and testify UNDER OATH about this rather than releasing things into the public through leaks (which conservatives used to hate).

BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK--Ornato is a Trump loyalist and was given the job of Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations in the SS. Pence's aides didn't trust Ornato on Jan 6th to not basically KIDNAP the VP and keep him from the Capitol. Pence refused to go with him.

So--yes, let Ornato testify but I doubt it will happen because he would have to testify under oath about a lot of other things like if he told Trump there were armed folks in the crowd that Trump sent to the Capitol and wanted to march with like a cheap Mussolini trying to take over AMERICAN DEMOCRACY along with a lot of other things he wouldn't want to talk about that he had firsthand knowledge of (and I get the SS usually wanting to stay out of things but this is different).

The hearings are establishing that Trump knew what he was doing--that it wasn't just a mob that spontaneously happened but it was PLANNED (See Willard hotel) and when told it was illegal by WH staff--Trump went ahead with it anyway. All about intentionality which wasn't established beforehand.

It should be done so the public can have a clear public record. But yeah MARK MEADOWS and Pat CIPPOLONE should have the stones to actually testify, hiding behind lawyers instead of leaving it to the 25 year old aide who can't lie and is just telling what she saw and heard.

And if you want to support Trump so much--why would he and his cronies be working to intimidate witnesses and break the law by tampering?? What are they afraid of? Trump is an insanely immoral actor and I'm glad some Republicans haven't completely lost their minds and are standing up for democracy. Those few are the true patriots like Liz Cheney and Kinzinger. We can disagree about policy but should all agree on protecting democracy.

Trump plotted to steal the election through the Justice department. Wanted the Army to seize voting machines illegally. Tried to force state elections officials to find him votes and get state legislatures to make him the winner even though he lost the vote. Schemed to have illegal false slates of electors. Tried to get Pence with complicit members of Congress to illegally overthrow the election. And when it all failed--he tried to get an armed mob to march on the Capitol to intimidate Pence and illegally stop the electoral college certification all with the goal of keeping himself as an unelected DESPOT/DICTATOR/UNELECTED TOTALITARIAN RULER.

I firmly believe in the 2nd coming and supposed Christians fawning over a false prophet, an immoral man who lies and cheats and sleeps with porn stars with a pregnant wife (and then pays them off and forces them to sign NDAs), is a clear sign of the times and the rot that has taken over in the hearts of those who should know better.

(I should this pin this to every Trump conversation on this board in perpetuity...lol)

 

[dpic73]

Honest question--how much of the committee have you watched?

How much of the Mueller Report did you bother to read? (you call it a fabricated Russian collusion conspiracy but did you read the actual report??)

See--you show your true colors by calling her a lying weasel. She testified UNDER OATH to what she was TOLD--not witnessed first hand.

And Tony Ornato is free to come in and testify UNDER OATH about this rather than releasing things into the public through leaks (which conservatives used to hate).

BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK--Ornato is a Trump loyalist and was given the job of Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations in the SS. Pence's aides didn't trust Ornato on Jan 6th to not basically KIDNAP the VP and keep him from the Capitol. Pence refused to go with him.

So--yes, let Ornato testify but I doubt it will happen because he would have to testify under oath about a lot of other things like if he told Trump there were armed folks in the crowd that Trump sent to the Capitol and wanted to march with like a cheap Mussolini trying to take over AMERICAN DEMOCRACY along with a lot of other things he wouldn't want to talk about that he had firsthand knowledge of (and I get the SS usually wanting to stay out of things but this is different).

The hearings are establishing that Trump knew what he was doing--that it wasn't just a mob that spontaneously happened but it was PLANNED (See Willard hotel) and when told it was illegal by WH staff--Trump went ahead with it anyway. All about intentionality which wasn't established beforehand.

It should be done so the public can have a clear public record. But yeah MARK MEADOWS and Pat CIPPOLONE should have the stones to actually testify, hiding behind lawyers instead of leaving it to the 25 year old aide who can't lie and is just telling what she saw and heard.

And if you want to support Trump so much--why would he and his cronies be working to intimidate witnesses and break the law by tampering?? What are they afraid of? Trump is an insanely immoral actor and I'm glad some Republicans haven't completely lost their minds and are standing up for democracy. Those few are the true patriots like Liz Cheney and Kinzinger. We can disagree about policy but should all agree on protecting democracy.

Trump plotted to steal the election through the Justice department. Wanted the Army to seize voting machines illegally. Tried to force state elections officials to find him votes and get state legislatures to make him the winner even though he lost the vote. Schemed to have illegal false slates of electors. Tried to get Pence with complicit members of Congress to illegally overthrow the election. And when it all failed--he tried to get an armed mob to march on the Capitol to intimidate Pence and illegally stop the electoral college certification all with the goal of keeping himself as an unelected DESPOT/DICTATOR/UNELECTED TOTALITARIAN RULER.

I firmly believe in the 2nd coming and supposed Christians fawning over a false prophet, an immoral man who lies and cheats and sleeps with porn stars with a pregnant wife (and then pays them off and forces them to sign NDAs), is a clear sign of the times and the rot that has taken over in the hearts of those who should know better.

(I should this pin this to every Trump conversation on this board in perpetuity...lol)

Please post more!

 

[clemben]

Well, you guys know how I feel about Trump, but I gotta say here that these public committee meetings are a total waste of time. Note that I said the same damn thing about the Bengazi public hearings. Trump, like Hillary, is now a private citizen. But I notice that LOTS of folks that were all on board for a few years of Bengazi are calling this a waste of time. And vice versa... lots of folks that were griping about Bengazi are all on board with this.

Tump supporters don't give a shit about any of this. Trump could LITTERALLY (he's already done it figuratively) take a shit on the American Flag and then wipe his ass with it and he wouldn't lose his base. That's just the way it is. Trump said that himself... he could go out in the street and shoot someone with a gun and not lose any votes. Like him or not... he ain't wrong. I REALLY hoped he was, but he isn't.

The thing about Bengazi was that it was all about getting hillary to try and commit perjury.

The committee is doing what should have been done at the impeachment hearing--trying to get ALL of the pieces into the light so things can be fixed so it doesn't happen again.

The meeting with the Justice department and the plot to install Clark should chill every American--democrat or republican. The idea that Trump could just cycle through Attorney Generals until he could find someone who would do whatever he wanted and prosecute whoever he wanted should terrify Republicans who are small govt folks. He purged the justice dept and still--he couldn't get them to buy into the election fraud lies he was peddling.

It is really good for people to listen to how Barr (who did a ton of crap for Trump) and others investigated and then rejected all of the fraud bologna that Trump still tries to peddle. When competent career officials looked into every allegation--it was nothing more than internet conspiracies and Powell/Rudy G nonsense that didn't hold up in court (just like Rudy G's back pat that he tried to lie about being some monumental reverberating slap). Watching the poll worker whose life was completely destroyed because Rudy G claimed she passed a flash drive of stolen ballots THAT WAS A MINT.

That kind of stuff needs to be fixed in our democracy, so regardless of Trumpian sycophants, the committee is doing important work.

 

[dpic73]

I did not support Trump the first time, however based on the hate and fear mongering along with the huge lies by liberals and Democrats on the fake fabricated Russian Collusion conspiracy against the US government I have shifted that if people fear him that much he is the right man to run this country

As I have said in another thread executions for sedition and treason should not be off the table
For the many traitors to Democracy

when he runs in 24 I plan to donate and support his election

Trump leads with a populist vengeance campaign. All negative, all the time. If you throw your loyalty behind that despot, quit faking that you love our country. When owning the libs is more important to you than doing whats right, you love a man, not the USA.

 

[hopefultiger13]

My favorite part probably won't even make the news, but IMHO tells you all you need to know.

Cheney: General Flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transfer of power in the United States?

Flynn: Fifth (taking the 5th ammendment).

 

[Willence]

Wanted the Army to seize voting machines illegally. Tried to force state elections officials to find him votes and get state legislatures to make him the winner even though he lost the vote. Schemed to have illegal false slates of electors. Tried to get Pence with complicit members of Congress to illegally overthrow the election. And when it all failed--he tried to get an armed mob to march on the Capitol to intimidate Pence and illegally stop the electoral college certification all with the goal of keeping himself as an unelected DESPOT/DICTATOR/UNELECTED TOTALITARIAN RULER.

This paragraph is just off the rails. Two things can be true here. In fact, this is something that will repeat itself. It can be true that Trump is a maniacal egomaniac who has perpetual diarrhea of the mouth. However, it can also be true that in spite of his massive tantrum he wasn't ever going to plot to overthrow the government. I wonder something. Do you realize that the government of the United States isn't a building? It's not a group of 535 people. It's a collection of states united under a single Constitution that protects the inherent rights of all the citizens of this nation. If you destroy the U.S. Capitol and imprison everyone inside, you still don't control this nation. Certainly not in a despotic and totalitarian way. The most dangerous, totalitarian force in America today is the mob. That can exist on either side but all of what you said is just pure mularkey!

I firmly believe in the 2nd coming and supposed Christians fawning over a false prophet, an immoral man who lies and cheats and sleeps with porn stars with a pregnant wife (and then pays them off and forces them to sign NDAs), is a clear sign of the times and the rot that has taken over in the hearts of those who should know better.

This is some real high and mighty judging here. I agree that a lot of people have lost their minds over their support for Trump. But a lot of those folks really aren't followers of Jesus Christ. Pointing our Trump's sins without consideration for the reality that the opponent in each of these elections was just as bad or worse is telling half the story. The rot you speak of is throughout our culture. Unfortunately, folks like you who only tell half the story are just perpetuating it even more. You reveal your partisan nature in what you wrote because all of what you said is true about BOTH sides of this fight. The biggest redeeming quality of one side is that it doesn't seek to participate in the murder of unborn children. Beyond that, they all seek to use whatever situations arise to gain power rather than actually improve the lives of Americans. Any idiot who thinks that Trump, Clinton, Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, etc. want to actually help the people of this country is a true sucker.

What we should demand is that we have better people running for office but to get that we'd have to start accepting people's mistakes and contrition for those mistakes so people aren't so afraid to step out there because their past errors. We need people who care about their fellow man and understand how our Constitution empowers people to take control of their lives and that doesn't require a governmental hand on the wheel at all times or even most of the time. Then we wouldn't be nominating moral lepers like Trump, Clinton, Biden, etc. Wouldn't that be a nice change?

 

[dpic73]

We agree on something

Once he testifies and refutes the woman that’s when she should be flogged for lying

So telling that this is the only part of her TWO HOUR testimony that you're focused on. Why aren't you talking about the corroborated portions when she testified about the Trump team's knowledge that weapons were in the crowd on the Ellipse but they didn't do anything about it. Or Trump being frustrated that the field wasn't full because the rest of the crowd had weapons and couldn't get in so he told them to remove the magnetometers to let them in anyway because they weren't there to "hurt him?" Is that a nothing burger to you? You should be enraged that a ****ing president would be that depraved! You are right???

 

[DW4_2016]

Yeah I agree with this. Based on his reaction alone to these hearings I think it would only make him want to run even more but I could be wrong

forget about him wanting to run. i'm talking about voters who will be more sure that their guy is being singled out and treated unfairly. the ones who would yell snowflake at people

 

[TigerGrowls]

We agree on something

Once he testifies and refutes the woman that’s when she should be flogged for lying

The dirty j6 committee will not let him anywhere near the witness stand. This a made for tv movie only.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I did not support Trump the first time, however based on the hate and fear mongering along with the huge lies by liberals and Democrats on the fake fabricated Russian Collusion conspiracy against the US government I have shifted that if people fear him that much he is the right man to run this country

As I have said in another thread executions for sedition and treason should not be off the table
For the many traitors to Democracy

when he runs in 24 I plan to donate and support his election

Truth and amen!!!!

 

[TigerGrowls]

Honest question--how much of the committee have you watched?

How much of the Mueller Report did you bother to read? (you call it a fabricated Russian collusion conspiracy but did you read the actual report??)

See--you show your true colors by calling her a lying weasel. She testified UNDER OATH to what she was TOLD--not witnessed first hand.

And Tony Ornato is free to come in and testify UNDER OATH about this rather than releasing things into the public through leaks (which conservatives used to hate).

BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK--Ornato is a Trump loyalist and was given the job of Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations in the SS. Pence's aides didn't trust Ornato on Jan 6th to not basically KIDNAP the VP and keep him from the Capitol. Pence refused to go with him.

So--yes, let Ornato testify but I doubt it will happen because he would have to testify under oath about a lot of other things like if he told Trump there were armed folks in the crowd that Trump sent to the Capitol and wanted to march with like a cheap Mussolini trying to take over AMERICAN DEMOCRACY along with a lot of other things he wouldn't want to talk about that he had firsthand knowledge of (and I get the SS usually wanting to stay out of things but this is different).

The hearings are establishing that Trump knew what he was doing--that it wasn't just a mob that spontaneously happened but it was PLANNED (See Willard hotel) and when told it was illegal by WH staff--Trump went ahead with it anyway. All about intentionality which wasn't established beforehand.

It should be done so the public can have a clear public record. But yeah MARK MEADOWS and Pat CIPPOLONE should have the stones to actually testify, hiding behind lawyers instead of leaving it to the 25 year old aide who can't lie and is just telling what she saw and heard.

And if you want to support Trump so much--why would he and his cronies be working to intimidate witnesses and break the law by tampering?? What are they afraid of? Trump is an insanely immoral actor and I'm glad some Republicans haven't completely lost their minds and are standing up for democracy. Those few are the true patriots like Liz Cheney and Kinzinger. We can disagree about policy but should all agree on protecting democracy.

Trump plotted to steal the election through the Justice department. Wanted the Army to seize voting machines illegally. Tried to force state elections officials to find him votes and get state legislatures to make him the winner even though he lost the vote. Schemed to have illegal false slates of electors. Tried to get Pence with complicit members of Congress to illegally overthrow the election. And when it all failed--he tried to get an armed mob to march on the Capitol to intimidate Pence and illegally stop the electoral college certification all with the goal of keeping himself as an unelected DESPOT/DICTATOR/UNELECTED TOTALITARIAN RULER.

I firmly believe in the 2nd coming and supposed Christians fawning over a false prophet, an immoral man who lies and cheats and sleeps with porn stars with a pregnant wife (and then pays them off and forces them to sign NDAs), is a clear sign of the times and the rot that has taken over in the hearts of those who should know better.

(I should this pin this to every Trump conversation on this board in perpetuity...lol)

Ornato is a govt employee and can be compelled to testify. I am stating now that they will not let him testify.

 

[ctcseb]

You guys are mental if you think what happened on Jan 6th is okay. That your hatred for your fellow citizens is so deep you are willing to ignore all the evidence so that you can feel like a victim justified in your hate against the left is astonishing.

Here is what your side did. A guy that starts fvcking a goat and gets caught. His excuse is “it was just the tip!”. This is you guys. You guys are fvcking our democracy over to own libtards and refusing to see the reality for what it is.

Who asked for pardons? Who is pleading the fifth when having to testify? Who is refusing to testify? It’s the people that got caught fvcking the goat. And you are just as guilty as them for turning a blind eye to it, justifying it, or excusing it.

There have been generations of amazing Americans willing to sacrifice their lives for freedom and democracy. They would be ashamed of the actions of these goat fvckers and their enablers, people like you. God is merciful and may forgive you for your cowardice, but I hope He finds a way to teach you a lesson along the way for your pathetic behavior and actions. Pitiful.

 

[dpic73]

Ornato is a govt employee and can be compelled to testify. I am stating now that they will not let him testify.

They explicitly said at the end of the hearing that if anyone wanted to set the record straight or provide relevant information the door was open. Just like they always do. You are lying ....surprise

 

[TigerGrowls]

They explicitly said at the end of the hearing that if anyone wanted to set the record straight or provide relevant information the door was open. Just like they always do. You are lying ....surprise

I am not lying there kimosabe. Ornato has already put it out that he would testify. J6 committee are shameless liars. Plus they could put him in shackles and bring him in if they want to. They have no intention of letting him testify to blow up the latest lie on Trump.

 

[dpic73]

I am not lying there kimosabe. Ornato has already put it out that he would testify. J6 committee are shameless liars. Plus they could put him in shackles and bring him in if they want to. They have no intention of letting him testify to blow up the latest lie on Trump.

Sure they would.....UNDER OATH!

 

[TigerGrowls]

Sure they would.....UNDER OATH!

This process is controlled by the J6 committee and you know it.

 

[dpic73]

This process is controlled by the J6 committee and you know it.

If you're telling me they won't allow him to testify, I say you're lying

 

[dpic73]

I am not lying there kimosabe. Ornato has already put it out that he would testify. J6 committee are shameless liars. Plus they could put him in shackles and bring him in if they want to. They have no intention of letting him testify to blow up the latest lie on Trump.

LOL

 

[TigerGrowls]

Ok I admit it when I am wrong and this newly released video evidence is compelling.

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[Clemson Goat]

We all know what this Bullshit is about ... Keeping Trump off the 2024 GOP ballot...

 

[Willence]

We all know what this Bullshit is about ... Keeping Trump off the 2024 GOP ballot...

Actually I would say him running for president is the best chance to Democrats have in 2024.

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

Also, quit pretending you're objective. You're an angry partisan who blames the Democrats for every problem the world has ever known. You are not credible.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[TigerGrowls]

Actually I would say him running for president is the best chance to Democrats have in 2024.

Just out of curiosity please explain that.

 

[dpic73]

Are we on the same road? 🤔

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

Honest question--how much of the committee have you watched?

How much of the Mueller Report did you bother to read? (you call it a fabricated Russian collusion conspiracy but did you read the actual report??)

See--you show your true colors by calling her a lying weasel. She testified UNDER OATH to what she was TOLD--not witnessed first hand.

And Tony Ornato is free to come in and testify UNDER OATH about this rather than releasing things into the public through leaks (which conservatives used to hate).

BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK--Ornato is a Trump loyalist and was given the job of Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations in the SS. Pence's aides didn't trust Ornato on Jan 6th to not basically KIDNAP the VP and keep him from the Capitol. Pence refused to go with him.

So--yes, let Ornato testify but I doubt it will happen because he would have to testify under oath about a lot of other things like if he told Trump there were armed folks in the crowd that Trump sent to the Capitol and wanted to march with like a cheap Mussolini trying to take over AMERICAN DEMOCRACY along with a lot of other things he wouldn't want to talk about that he had firsthand knowledge of (and I get the SS usually wanting to stay out of things but this is different).

The hearings are establishing that Trump knew what he was doing--that it wasn't just a mob that spontaneously happened but it was PLANNED (See Willard hotel) and when told it was illegal by WH staff--Trump went ahead with it anyway. All about intentionality which wasn't established beforehand.

It should be done so the public can have a clear public record. But yeah MARK MEADOWS and Pat CIPPOLONE should have the stones to actually testify, hiding behind lawyers instead of leaving it to the 25 year old aide who can't lie and is just telling what she saw and heard.

And if you want to support Trump so much--why would he and his cronies be working to intimidate witnesses and break the law by tampering?? What are they afraid of? Trump is an insanely immoral actor and I'm glad some Republicans haven't completely lost their minds and are standing up for democracy. Those few are the true patriots like Liz Cheney and Kinzinger. We can disagree about policy but should all agree on protecting democracy.

Trump plotted to steal the election through the Justice department. Wanted the Army to seize voting machines illegally. Tried to force state elections officials to find him votes and get state legislatures to make him the winner even though he lost the vote. Schemed to have illegal false slates of electors. Tried to get Pence with complicit members of Congress to illegally overthrow the election. And when it all failed--he tried to get an armed mob to march on the Capitol to intimidate Pence and illegally stop the electoral college certification all with the goal of keeping himself as an unelected DESPOT/DICTATOR/UNELECTED TOTALITARIAN RULER.

I firmly believe in the 2nd coming and supposed Christians fawning over a false prophet, an immoral man who lies and cheats and sleeps with porn stars with a pregnant wife (and then pays them off and forces them to sign NDAs), is a clear sign of the times and the rot that has taken over in the hearts of those who should know better.

(I should this pin this to every Trump conversation on this board in perpetuity...lol)

Lmao holy shit

 

[dpic73]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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