Any one see Ed Oliver acting like
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lol... I am not sure folks use snowflake in the right context anymore. So I just have one thing to say... snowflake!
Having an opinion on the future production of draft eligible DT is not being misinformed.
As a prior poster said, it’s really on Applewhite for letting it get to this point.
When that opinion is shared solely by one, biased demographic, it absolutely is.
your definition of yanking and mine appear to be different.
I like your baseball posts better where you are overly critical (I agree with you a lot on your baseball takes) and don’t look through orange lenses.
And you can back that statement how? I wish so many people didn’t speak in hyperbole for effect.
Hahaha. I disagree with you a lot too. I think you are overly critical of Lee, even though most of your criticisms have at least some validity, but you clearly know the game and aren’t a homer.
I actually agree completely with your last statement, except when it’s warranted. Like in this instance.
He chose to go to Houston. He needs to live with it. Play ball. No individual is greater than the team.
Every mock draft I’ve seen has them all in the top 10...that means it’s certainly debatable right here 3 months before the combine.
Did you know that statistically baseball players have a lower IQ than participants in other sport
I'd have to disagree here. Based on that video of him trying to get to his coach and being stopped by some scrawny dude and an old assistant coach tells me he's not at Dex's and Christian's level.
I see the problem as we don’t know what was said leading up to this. We don’t know what the assistant coach told him and what Oliver said in return. We don’t know the events of the past few weeks. The thing as a HC If he was running around before the game and acting the way he was and then claimed that he was unable to play due to injury I have an issue with that. If you don’t want to play fine but don’t go running and jumping around then claim you can’t play. I have a big problem with letting your teammmates down. They are there for you and you do that to me it’s a disrespect to them. Plus I think the whole incident was blown out of proportions by espn, makes me wonder if they heard something pregame and were keeping a close yes on the sidelines to see if something would go down.
Would a coach taking his jacket be the only thing in the world that would make him act like this?
BTW, I agree with you that he will still be drafted very high. This will give NFL teams a little pause, but in the end, talent always win.
You don't even know what happened though. He could have been asked 3 times already to take it off and refused for all we know. You are looking like a fool ITT but that is nothing new.
Yep. He should be gone. Regardless of what the Coach said or did. I would imagine some GM's eye's were opened.
Not saying you are wrong and Oliver may end up being better than DL and CW, but the let's not pretend that the "people who are paid to do this for a living" are 95% right when it comes to player evals. The NFL draft history has been full of busts as well as guys who were vastly underrated.
Not saying you're wrong, but are these the same experts that passed on DeShaun Watson?
Experts is a very overused term.
I think Wilkins is more valuable because he can play the DE in a 3-4 and Oliver can’t buy what do I know, people aren’t paying me millions to draft players
Clemson has played jv teams literally all year long. The acc is just pathetic. You know it.
Yep...that's all they measure at the combine.
So are you saying what Oliver did was ok? The way he reacted was ok? He did something he knew he wasn't supposed to do and that no one else on the team did, but that's ok because he is Ed Oliver. I'm sure there were other players on the team that would have liked to have a jacket on as well, but they chose to be part of team and make the correct choice. Oliver thinks he is above any other player on the team and that's what Applewhite was pissed about. Applewhite shouldn't have put his hands on him, but Oliver knew he wasn't supposed to be wearing the jacket.
This is becoming more and more of a problem in our society. Break the rules/laws because that what you want to do, and why shouldn't you get to do what you want to do.
Excepting the consequences of your actions is fading quickly these days. Instead people flip out and go over the top about how they feel they are being treated unfairly.
So instead of not putting the jacket on, Ed chose himself over his teammates and broke team rules. He got punished by the boss (head coach) and didn't like it. Big man with small feelings. Grow up.
Position of authority my ass. You don't get to undress someone like that....and then beg him to play next week. From espn article:
Applewhite said Monday that Oliver would not practice until he felt healthy enough to play. Despite Thursday's sideline incident, Applewhite said he'll welcome back Oliver with open arms, leaving the door open for him to play in Houston's regular-season finale at Memphis next week.
"I want him back, I want him a part of our football team," Applewhite said. "If he wants to play, I want him to play. ... You're gonna deal with emotions all the time. And that's our job as coaches, to help them and help them develop that maturity and move on, and that's my job. If he lets me help him, I absolutely will, any way I can."
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He's not even gonna discipline him, that wasn't about the jacket, that was about him not playing, making it a bitch move.
You sure expressed it better than OP. In my experience if you are calling a man a punk bitch, you have guaranteed to the world you can beat this man without a weapon.
I don't know what age has to do with it, or how you can distinguish that on the message board. I'm 28 and I think that makes me younger than most, but I absolutely think Oliver is in the wrong in this situation
Not going to respond to all 55 notifications. But I did read everything.
Summary of my thoughts, and I stand by them.
If Oliver is healthy, I think he should play. But, the precedence has been set (Bosa, Fournette, McCaffrey, etc) that guys can miss games, injury related or not, and it doesn’t negatively impact their draft stock. This issue will not be going away.
What Oliver did was not right. The coach also did not handle this correctly. They both were in the wrong. Oliver should not be yelling at his coach. The coach should not be physically taking off a player’s jacket on the sidelines during a game. There was obviously built up frustration on his end, and he handled it the wrong way. Im not sure how folks do not recognize that both acted out of line.
I love Christian and Dex and both are 1st round talents and high character guys. I’m simply stating that Ed Oliver is a better pro prospect based on today’s NFL. No shade on the Clemson guys. A lot of orange colored glasses ITT
And no one in here would tell Ed Oliver to his face without a firearm that he’s a “punk bitch”, so that’s the epitome of an Internet tough guy.
Finally, most college players don’t love their head coach. I stand by that. A very positively unique advantage that Clemson seems to have.
As always, folks here get all up in arms over the smallest things. I can’t imagine how they handle real life adverse situations that come their way
