Y’all think something is going to get done when the POTUS opens the press conference on the situation with this?
Nashville shooting
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Nothing in your response puts any responsibility on the actual shooter......you defend a call to arms from a politician as warranted and not harmful, you blame republicans not the shooter, you twist me not wanting my own children exposed to me telling other parents what to do, you claim it's young white men but in reality, the shootings in Chicago, New Orleans, etc every single weekend are actually by definition mass shootings but you'll note those aren't counted because they don't fit your dumb f*cking narrative.
You don't give two sh*ts about solving the problem as much as you do about making this a political fight against the side you've been radicalized against.
It doesn't matter if Lori was voted out, she made that post while in office and feeling rage doesn't give you the right to shoot innocent people. I feel rage every time I read one of your dumb f*cking posts but I don't have visions of shooting you over it. You see how that works?
I’m not sure what the point here is. The printing, distribution or ownership of ghost guns should be illegal. You should not be able to buy pieces of an untraceable gun online. I don’t know the laws surrounding this stuff, but it seems like it should be pretty clear.
Y'all think something is going to get done when this is the common response from certain members of Congress?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-nashville-tennessee-republican/11557086002/
all I hear is "ban Assault Weapons"
WTF is an assault weapon? Would someone please explain that to me? It is an anti-gun made up term. Things that can be assault weapons: anything that you can commit an assault with...plain and simple
Then the POTUS said she had 2 AK47 in his ridiculously dementia heavy press conference that he was more interested in talking ice cream and getting some dude name Ben's approval
This is not something that will ever be completely fixed. Anyone who believed that is buying rainbows and unicorns. If someone wants to kill someone they will. Fact is almost every one of these mass shootings happen in gun free zones. Fact is most other gun crimes happen in crime heavy inner city democratic cities.
That is not a political opinion. That is fact. Most guns in mass shootings are generally obtained legally. Most in crime heavy inner cities are obtained illegally. Most mass shooters struggle from some sort of mental illness/disorder and most shootings in heavy crime area are drug or gang related
Those are the facts...so how do you fix? First of all every school should have all entry level points coated with the 3M bullet proof coating or glass replaced with bullet proof glass. Secondly, they should have a police officer stationed at the schools. I feel pretty sae knowing that just about every time I go to my kids school there is a patrol car out front. Have had one gun threat at the school over the years, school was locked down, and the threat was detained almost immediately.
Fact is, stricter gun laws are great but lookat states with the most strict...highest shootings in general and most are not obtained legally. For example, I know for a fact that the bloods in Greenville are tied to the ones in NY. Part of their initiation is to steal a gun and they sell it to the gang in NY or trade it for drugs.
One of the stolen guns was used to shoot a Greenville County police officer a few years back. Bad people will do bad things...but my question remains...what are assault weapons and what are you wanting to ban.
And as we have continued to see...give them an inch they'll take a mile. Cater to one thing and they'll hit you with another. Slippery slope
Who turned a post about a mass shooting into a political post about the trans community? You are partly responsible for that, so own it. All mass shootings count and they are all horrific - not just the ones committed by a tiny population of people that you spend half your time disparaging.
I do care about solving the problem but how does that even matter when we know that any real solution will be blocked by the party in the pocket of the NRA?
I did not see Lightfoot advocate shooting anyone, but if she did, she should be put in jail - period. Funny how you saw it differently when Trump said similar things on Jan. 6th.
You are not a serious person
Can you provide data showing violence from the trans community is on the rise?
Given that the overwhelming majority of school shootings are perpetrated by straight white males, and 3 of the last 2k+ shootings where committed by members of the lgbtq community, I’d argue straight white males are the larger concern.
Are you doing the same kind of media auditing against RW news sources when attacks against the LGBTQ community occur? I don't remember seeing similar tweets following the Colorado club shooting last november or the Pulse nightclub shooting.
The Human Rights Campaign reports that 1 out of every 5 hate crimes and shootings committed in the US is done against the LGBTQ community. Do you think all the vitriol being spouted by the right has contributed at all to these attacks? If so, it would be nice to see you condemn that with the same intensity you condemn the left for their perceived faults.
Almost all hate crimes are going to be committed against minority groups of some kind. Also, this shooting would be classified a hate crime by the criteria set forth. I will believe that when I see it. So that will be an unreported hate crime of which there are many. The attack on the man working for Rand Paul was possibly a hate crime. There are so many things that just get glossed over. Those stats are entirely one way. Not legitimate at all.
You should read the entire flow of the conversation before getting bent out of shape watching a clay travis video. He was there meeting with the owner of Jeni's Ice Cream, SBA Women's Business Summit, and their children. A little levity in a situation like that isn't the worst course of action.
Remarks by President Biden at the SBA Women's Business Summit | The White House
East Room 2:43 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. My name is Joe Biden. (Laughter.) I’m Dr. Jill Biden’s husband. (Laughter.) And I eat Jeni’s Ice Cream, chocolate chip. (Laughter.) I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream. (Laughter.) By the way, I have a whole...
You lost me, you think the Nashville shooting will be an "unreported hate crime"? Do you have anything to support this claim or is it just a "gut feeling?"
Off the top of my head I can't think of a single event that was labeled a hate crime that has been committed against a person who would be considered on the right. There have been myriad false claims of hate crimes of which the Jussie Smollett would be the biggest one.
A big driver of recognition of hate crime groups is the Southern Poverty Law Center which is an extreme left organization. They generally don't consider hate crimes anything that emanate from the left and go rightward. You will see them often quoted or referenced because they have a database of groups that are hate groups. There are maybe 20 black separatist groups on their list of nearly 900 organizations that are hate groups.
As far as this recent shooting, I just said it was my opinion and that I would believe it when I see it. I'm not a person who thinks the hate crime classification is needed. I would vote against it at all times because a crime is a crime and we don't need to add additional labels. That being said since we do have that label I would be highly surprised if it gets added here. Maybe it will and I'll be wrong.
The name Dylan Roof ring any bells? The Buffalo shooting last year? 2019 Walmart shooting in El Paso? Pittsburgh synagogue shooting in 2018.
Edit: Misread your first paragraph. My mistake
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I agree on the mental health programs - but first we gotta recognize what is truly a mental health issue. Right now there seems to be a movement to normalize everything. Trans is one thing (and in and of itself is generally harmless) but there are other issues.
Absolutely should not be necessary in a school. It's an elementary school, not Dodge City.
And I would not trust ~75% of the teachers I know with a firearm.
Ghost guns are .....not easy to make. On an AR15 for instance, a 'ghost' receiver is unmilled, and the builder has to mill it out themselves. It takes some pretty good equipment (such as a milling machine) to do it I think. There are fixtures, etc available to do handguns but on the AR (for instance) you have to hollow out the middle of the receiver.
I'll dig it up but 3D printed receivers don't do well either IIRC.
that's because people on the left don't commit hate crimes.
All joking aside, it's an interesting point, and i'd be curious to see what metrics you use to quantify as a hate crime towards the right. I'm sure there were plenty of the victims of the Pulse night club shooting, or really any other hate crime against POC/LGBTQ community that were republicans. Or do you just mean POC attacks against white people?
Disagreeing with a racist, swastika displaying douchebag like you doesn't mean I lack integrity. It means I am right.
that's because people on the left don't commit hate crimes.
All joking aside, it's an interesting point, and i'd be curious to see what metrics you use to quantify as a hate crime towards the right. I'm sure there were plenty of the victims of the Pulse night club shooting, or really any other hate crime against POC/LGBTQ community that were republicans. Or do you just mean POC attacks against white people?
Against someone who would be classified in a right leaning group. Political violence from the left toward the right if you want to break it all the way down. It occurs all the time and it's never considered a hate crime. The same with violence against people of faith on the basis of their faith. We just have a very clear one-way street on these things. It doesn't matter what the person looks like. There's a general attitude on the left that any action they choose is justified because the right is evil. Conversely, a lot of those same attitudes exist on the far right as well. The biggest difference is when it comes from the right the media doesn't sweep it under the carpet and the media doesn't give it credibility. One injustice enrages another and we end up with all these very gross attacks that people think are justified. Until we stop this insanity, it's just going to keep getting worse and worse.
Every day I read headlines and articles from both sides. So many of them are written to enrage people about what's going on. And you get in a forum like this and you see one side thinking they are pure and the other is pure evil. This isn't a path to anything good and there are inputs everywhere. It's a really bad situation.
I was only talking about handguns sorry I didn't indicate that. There's company's that sell 3D printed kits which include the plans , software, and parts to put it together. My understanding a person must use a certain type of raw material when printing a so called ghost gun. I am still in the learning stage .My understanding some 3D printed guns use very little machined parts while others use a lot of machined parts .
Haha, the division started far before 2016. I would argue that most Conservatives have the same stances they did back in the early 2000's or before. If standing your ground based on moral, spiritual, social, or financial beliefs caused the divide then, I guess I am guilty. On the contrary, liberals have pushed their agenda so far left since 2008 they have not only divided the country but also divided themselves.
It's always fascinating to me. People choose to adhere to what they view as traditional and time honored values and they're the ones dividing. Both sides do create division but the whole Trump thing is really strange to me.
Bro, you're nuts and gaslighting. I for one, am not a Trumper but If I was, that would be ok too. I am conservative. I've had the same views since I was 18.
I think a lot of people's views change as they age and have new experiences and meet new cultures/people/etc. I used to be a staunch rightwing guy, and then I left my small town, moved to a few big cities, met new people, experienced new cultures, etc. and it changed my whole perspective on things. I still favor low taxes and limited government overreach, but i'm more empathetic to minorities, the LGBTQ, etc because i've gotten to know many of them and have heard their stories about the struggles they deal with and have had to overcome.
I guess that's fair. I've always considered hate crimes to be actions against a certain sex/race/creed/etc, and not really political crimes.
who knows who has a ghost gun. maybe i even have one.
lol, straysis printer capable of metal costs 5-10k. you think someone is buying a 7k printer and spending thousands more on filament to make a gun?
Those ghost guns are a real problem, you can tell by all the murders occurring in other countries with them
I'm happy for you brother. My experiences in life have deepened my beliefs as well. I am empathetic to minorities. I also believe that the Woke agenda is masqueradeing as love and hurting our businesses and country. Even though I love people, I understand there is absolute right and wrong. It is my belief that we will ultimately have to answer for our choices in eternity. I think it was horrible what happened to those kids in Nashville. I believe that the mentally ill or criminal population should not be able to own guns. I am not naive enough to think that a law would keep that population from obtaining a gun or killing. I do believe that anyone who blames these issues on the gun is illogical. We have more guns in this country than people, if it were the gun that were the problem we would all be dead. The problem is with evil and sick people.
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I never said the party didn't change. Just that most conservatives had the same belief system well before Trump. The Obama years and the "Change" that he brought fueled the fire for Trump to win in 2016. Which inturn led to to the incompetent president that we have now. I don't agree with how Trump led. I don't even believe he's genuine. He did do a good job standing up for what conservatives believe in.
Did the conservative party change? Yes, but what we believed was the same. The figure head at they top didn't care how the message was delivered. It's my hope that he will not be the conservative candidate.
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You could be right about that. In which case, I am wrong. But I do think that the term "hate" in that description could easily deal with violence against religious people or people of a certain ideology.
what is this non sequitur bullshit garbage? trump owns the conservatives now. like it or hate it, your whole party flows through him. played with fire and now you're crying with 3rd degree burns in the ICU.
You misunderstood my point I think. I was agreeing with you. I'm saying that if you're standing in a place of established norms and there's a movement in another direction, the person holding to established norms is really not the divider. I was also saying that people claiming Trump is the divider is puzzling. He's not the origin of all of this though for many on the left, he could be perceived that way because his political fortunes are a result of a very strong backlash from those who have long been disenfranchised and neglected. The claims those people are all racist and evil certainly isn't going to help much and I believe that's a lot of why people so stubbornly cling to their support of Trump. The political left and the media establishment have completely misread the reasons people support Trump. Not sure how but they have done that consistently.
I guess Some people can't afford what others have. 7k 🤣 A person can purchase a complete ghost gun kit and assemble it at home for around 500 dollars and sell it on the streets in N.Y. for around 1500.
West Virginia man makes $21K at New York gun buyback through loophole
New York’s attorney general has changed the rules of a state gun buyback program after a West Virginia man obtained $21,000 in gift cards using a loophole in the program’s rules.
www.wboy.com
Man claims to have sold dozens of 'ghost guns' at Houston gun buyback event
Houston leaders say they will no longer accept 3D-printed firearms, also known as ghost guns, at future gun buyback events after one man allegedly exchanged dozens of them over the weekend.
3D-Printed Guns Are Getting More Capable and Accessible
Someone with no experience could possibly learn everything they need and build it in a couple of weeks.
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Wait, so you're not a Trumper, meaning you voted for Hillary and Biden? Or you're just conveniently not a Trumper when it feels embarrassing to be one? Pretty sure I know the answer so your argument for caring about morality rings hollow, especially if, like you said in another post, it's ok to be one. You've completely lost the moral high ground if you're still ok with him after you know what he's done since the election, in particular.
The division may have started earlier but he took a sledgehammer to it and opened up a Pandora's box of hatred and bigotry like we've never seen before. And the Right must love it because he got 10 million more votes the second time around. On top of that, he's still the leading candidate and the guy in 2nd place is even more divisive, so let's be clear - you love them because they hate us- full stop. If that wasn't the main reason then Trump and Cruz wouldn't have been the top two candidates in 2016 and DeSantis wouldn't be number two now.
And Trump begat Mad Marge, GED Boebert, Paul Gosar etc... along with QAnon, the rise of white supremacy and the culture wars. If you cared about morality you would be shouting down all these things and they wouldn't be getting rich off owning the libs.
You really want to make a difference, quit applauding those that want to tear us further apart and vote them out.
Still yet to provide actual video evidence of this fantastical 3D ghost gun. Tell me about the murders with these 3D guns. Has it happened yet outside of a James Bond movie?I guess Some people can't afford what others have. 7k 🤣 A person can purchase a complete ghost gun kit and assemble it at home for around 500 dollars and sell it on the streets in N.Y. for around 1500.
West Virginia man makes $21K at New York gun buyback through loophole
New York’s attorney general has changed the rules of a state gun buyback program after a West Virginia man obtained $21,000 in gift cards using a loophole in the program’s rules.
Man claims to have sold dozens of 'ghost guns' at Houston gun buyback event
Houston leaders say they will no longer accept 3D-printed firearms, also known as ghost guns, at future gun buyback events after one man allegedly exchanged dozens of them over the weekend.www.fox26houston.com
3D-Printed Guns Are Getting More Capable and Accessible
Someone with no experience could possibly learn everything they need and build it in a couple of weeks.slate.com
In reality almost all ‘ghost guns’ are from partial lowers that are machined to finish. Most of those were/are sold online. How about we target 95% of the problem rather than cry about 1%. those partial lowers that were sold online are 100% traceable. We can even find the shops that finished them pretty easily. Again, it’s not hard to track almost every gun if the government wanted to. For some reason one party doesn’t want that.
