New republican lies in advance of the midterms.

[jakefest]

So if Trump was prez. there would be no inflation in the US and gas/diesel prices would be low?? And FWIW, an economy that relies heavily on China.

You're skipping over the point that it doesn't really matter, similar to Covid and how the left blamed Trump for all of it which the nation responded to in the 2020 election. Not much changed with Covid under Biden, despite him running on it.

Biden is in charge as of right now so optically, these are his issues.

 

[other1]

You're skipping over the point that it doesn't really matter, similar to Covid and how the left blamed Trump for all of it which the nation responded to in the 2020 election. Not much changed with Covid under Biden, despite him running on it.

Biden is in charge as of right now so optically, these are his issues.

You're skipping over my question.

 

[TheSweatshirt]

Down over the last few days but still up for the month, the 3 month and the 52 week.

1 month - 8%
3 month - 5.5%
52 week - 42%

US Diesel Price Futures Price - Barchart.com

US Diesel Price stocks price quote with latest real-time prices, charts, financials, latest news, technical analysis and opinions.

www.barchart.com

And what’s the price on those diesel futures. Because if your boy Tucker is right, they should be much higher than $5 a gallon.

 

[jakefest]

And what’s the price on those diesel futures. Because if your boy Tucker is right, they should be much higher than $5 a gallon.

Are you looking for the futures contracts or the price per gallon? Diesel is $6 in NJ right now, or at least was before I left for Boston on Tuesday.

 

[jakefest]

You're skipping over my question.

There is no real value in answering it because it doesn't matter. Trump isn't the president.

 

[WapPride]

Nope. All the money that was pumped into the economy by the dems would not have been if Trump was potus and Trump would have kept US energy output at the top not to mention other good stuff that would have happened in a second Trump term. The energy factor and less money pumped into the economy would have kept inflation down to normal levels.

none of this is accurate fyi

 

[TheSweatshirt]

Are you looking for the futures contracts or the price per gallon? Diesel is $6 in NJ right now, or at least was before I left for Boston on Tuesday.

The futures contracts are a better indicator of future prices. If we are truly running out of diesel, then you would expect to see futures contracts significantly higher than the ~$4 a gallon that I believe they are now. Your boy Tucker is just fear mongering with lies ahead of the election. There is zero data to support what he is saying, and too many on the right just lap it up.

 

[jakefest]

The futures contracts are a better indicator of future prices. If we are truly running out of diesel, then you would expect to see futures contracts significantly higher than the ~$4 a gallon that I believe they are now. Your boy Tucker is just fear mongering with lies ahead of the election. There is zero data to support what he is saying, and too many on the right just lap it up.

Sure buddy, it's just Tucker Carlson ........my god man, just google it

Column: U.S. diesel shortage increasingly likely until economy slows

U.S. diesel supplies are becoming critically low with shortages and price spikes likely to occur in the next six months unless and until the economy and fuel consumption slow.

www.reuters.com

 

[TheSweatshirt]

Sure buddy, it's just Tucker Carlson ........my god man, just google it

Column: U.S. diesel shortage increasingly likely until economy slows

U.S. diesel supplies are becoming critically low with shortages and price spikes likely to occur in the next six months unless and until the economy and fuel consumption slow.

www.reuters.com

I’m not doubting supply is low, I’m doubting your comment that there could be total lack of fuel and insanely high prices. If that was the case, the futures markets would be pricing in $10/gal diesel. At a minimum. Each ULSD NY Harbor futures contract is today priced below $4/gal. So your boy is smarter than all the diesel traders on the planet?

The best data we have is the futures market, which is not supporting your boy’s fear mongering. Looks like he will have to throw some different shit against the wall. Do some homework.

 

[jakefest]

I’m not doubting supply is low, I’m doubting your comment that there could be total lack of fuel and insanely high prices. If that was the case, the futures markets would be pricing in $10/gal diesel. At a minimum. Each ULSD NY Harbor futures contract is today priced below $4/gal. So your boy is smarter than all the diesel traders on the planet?

The best data we have is the futures market, which is not supporting your boy’s fear mongering. Looks like he will have to throw some different shit against the wall. Do some homework.

what are you talking about? I didn't write the articles and I didn't start the post. I've said multiple times there is the potential for shortages, I didn't say the whole of the country would be without diesel fuel all winter. Pull yourself together.

My neighbor is a high touch futures trader at Citi, Oil and Gas focused......he's the one that's suggesting that we are facing a shortage and is sending me articles. Who are you suggesting is my boy, Tucker? You should go back to the start of the thread I think.

 

[jakefest]

what are you talking about? I didn't write the articles and I didn't start the post. I've said multiple times there is the potential for shortages, I didn't say the whole of the country would be without diesel fuel all winter. Pull yourself together.

My neighbor is a high touch futures trader at Citi, Oil and Gas focused......he's the one that's suggesting that we are facing a shortage and is sending me articles. Who are you suggesting is my boy, Tucker? You should go back to the start of the thread I think.

Even CNBC are running the story......

The diesel market is in a perfect storm as prices surge, supply dwindles ahead of winter

Diesel prices are surging with supply at a level not seen since the 1950s and a ban on Russian refined products will lead to greater competition for the fuel.

www.cnbc.com

 

[nytigerfan]

Even CNBC are running the story......

The diesel market is in a perfect storm as prices surge, supply dwindles ahead of winter

Diesel prices are surging with supply at a level not seen since the 1950s and a ban on Russian refined products will lead to greater competition for the fuel.

www.cnbc.com

i don’t know why this is so hard for you. A “shortage”’does not equal “we will run out of deisel, shipping will stop, our economy will collapse”. The latter is what Tucker is saying. Why choose to defend that is beyond me.

 

[jakefest]

i don’t know why this is so hard for you. A “shortage”’does not equal “we will run out of deisel, shipping will stop, our economy will collapse”. The latter is what Tucker is saying. Why choose to defend that is beyond me.

You spelled diesel wrong

 

[jakefest]

You spelled diesel wrong

I never defended Tucker, I sent you articles that talked about shortages from multiple sources on each side of the aisle. I also gave you an economics lesson on how higher prices might impact inflation, you're welcome. There will be a quiz next week.

 

[jakefest]

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

He would at aleast be in tune with the fact that inflation is a huge problem and that something needs to be done about it. Biden is clueless and shows no acuity that its a problem much less something needs to be done about it.

Trump also would have us energy independent and wouldn't be bowing to the green energy folks.

In short, YES, the economy would be much better with lower inflation under Trump. Undoubtedly.

Instead we have a President who appoints people based on their social "diversity" instead of the best man for the job. He lies, er verbal fumbles, so much that its unclear if he is cognitively capable of understanding the problems facing the every day citizen.

Voters will realize the wool was pulled over their eyes in the 2020 election and will deliver a massive Red Wave in about 5 days. They have had enough of this garbage.

Then, bye bye Biden in ‘24.

 

[jakefest]

I’m not doubting supply is low, I’m doubting your comment that there could be total lack of fuel and insanely high prices. If that was the case, the futures markets would be pricing in $10/gal diesel. At a minimum. Each ULSD NY Harbor futures contract is today priced below $4/gal. So your boy is smarter than all the diesel traders on the planet?

The best data we have is the futures market, which is not supporting your boy’s fear mongering. Looks like he will have to throw some different shit against the wall. Do some homework.

So you're looking at the actual futures contract price but now look at volume and liquidity. Pretty bleak

https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/energy/refined-products/heating-oil.volume.html

 

[TheSweatshirt]

So you're looking at the actual futures contract price but now look at volume and liquidity. Pretty bleak

https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/energy/refined-products/heating-oil.volume.html

serious question…. Do you know how futures contracts work? And what they are an indicator of?

 

[jakefest]

serious question…. Do you know how futures contracts work? And what they are an indicator of?

Yep, I'm in the quant space. It's a short term squeeze, the spread is $.20 between Dec and Jan when it's normally a penny at best. There is no product in NY Harbor, refinery outages in Europe, supply chain woes etc. No product.

Futures traders aren't looking more than a month or two out because they can't. No large long term bets.

 

[moradatiger70]

Of all the lame responses I have gotten in the almost 20 years that I have been on this site, this takes the cake.

The next time you feel like replying to me, do me a favor... find a five year old and ask them "is this a sick burn?". When they give you this look...

Just move on and don't waste my mutha****ing thing

Don't waste your what?
Of all my years I can't remember conversing with someone so out of touch and so one-minded with your pathetic trash mouth, spewing nonsense on this board!
Take a minute to look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Why am I so miserable!"

 

[Tiger Guru]

Its kind of weird how loyal people are to a side.

You either want what's good for this country or you don't. I don't think it's accident people are ok with this country failing. They prefer it. It's what they hope.

You hope this country tanks or becomes communist or pick a person based on a social issue. How strange is that? WTF are we doing?

Anyone wish we could end corruption? Anyone voting against that this year?

 

[nytigerfan]

Don't waste your what?
Of all my years I can't remember conversing with someone so out of touch and so one-minded with your pathetic trash mouth, spewing nonsense on this board!
Take a minute to look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Why am I so miserable!"

I am one minded, as opposed to say… you?

Not miserable here spanky. Like I have said many times, it doesn’t matter who is president, who controls congress, I am always ****ign killing it and living my best life.

hopefully in a few years I will have enough money to build my kids a climate bunker since you guys are so determined to destroy our planet.

 

[dpic73]

Its kind of weird how loyal people are to a side.

You either want what's good for this country or you don't. I don't think it's accident people are ok with this country failing. They prefer it. It's what they hope.

You hope this country tanks or becomes communist or pick a person based on a social issue. How strange is that? WTF are we doing?

THIS is FAILING

 

[Tiger Guru]

THIS is FAILING

They should treat every single one of them like Antifa members. Literally round them up and send them to Isis. It's time make examples of criminals, no? Rioters and such...

You disagree?

 

[dpic73]

They should treat every single one of them like Antifa members. Literally round them up and send them to Isis.

You disagree?

That makes no sense, but I don't want to hear your moronic take that we want the country to fail when you supported a man who literally wanted to destroy the foundations of our Republic. And you will do it again with the knowledge that he will likely try it again with the help of the MAGAidiots you're adding to Congress in the next term.

 

[PawsFan_]

We are going to run out if diesel fuel! The country is gong to come to a grinding halt. It is all joe Biden’s fault.

this whole narrative is total bullshit. We are not running out of diesel.

TUCKER CARLSON: Thanks to Biden's religious war in Ukraine, the US is about to run out of diesel fuel | Fox News

The United States has less than a month to fix the energy crisis

www.foxnews.com

Hey Pot

“Seniors are getting the biggest increase in their Social Security checks in 10 years through President Biden’s leadership” The White House, Nov 1, 2022

 

[Tiger Guru]

That makes no sense, but I don't want to hear your moronic take that we want the country to fail when you supported a man who literally wanted to destroy the foundations of our Republic. And you will do it again with the knowledge that he will likely try it again with the help of the MAGAidiots you're adding to Congress in the next term.

Because I don't like Antifa doesn't mean I like Trump. You support Antifa?

 

[Willence]

Fact: Violent crime is more prevalent in republican led states with looser gun regulation. That fact is irrefutable. Those Democratic-led cities that you refer to in those states still rely on the state governments for funding. They can try to make their own laws, but they can be easily overturned by the state. (see the cities that banned indoor smoking, only to have state legislatures overturn those bans)

Oh I get it. So what you're saying is that all over the states you're attacking there is low crime in the Republican areas but in the cities where Democrats are in charge there's massive crime committed with guns because the people there are too dumb and barbaric to follow the laws of our society? They need to have their freedoms taken from them so people like you can force them to behave? Gotcha! Dear Lord do you ever consider what a massive bigot you are?

 

[Willence]

Because I don't like Antifa doesn't mean I like Trump. You support Antifa?

Don't attack him for his whataboutisms but also understand if you ask him to actually explain ANYTHING he will say you're doing a whataboutism. That word has become a code for "don't make a valid point because I don't know enough to argue that point which is unfair!"

 

[nytigerfan]

Oh I get it. So what you're saying is that all over the states you're attacking there is low crime in the Republican areas but in the cities where Democrats are in charge there's massive crime committed with guns because the people there are too dumb and barbaric to follow the laws of our society? They need to have their freedoms taken from them so people like you can force them to behave? Gotcha! Dear Lord do you ever consider what a massive bigot you are?

LOL, wut? Did you forget your meds today?

 

[dpic73]

Don't attack him for his whataboutisms but also understand if you ask him to actually explain ANYTHING he will say you're doing a whataboutism. That word has become a code for "don't make a valid point because I don't know enough to argue that point which is unfair!"

What a ****ing moron you are. I second NY's question about your meds.

 

[leetp]

We are going to run out if diesel fuel! The country is gong to come to a grinding halt. It is all joe Biden’s fault.

this whole narrative is total bullshit. We are not running out of diesel.

TUCKER CARLSON: Thanks to Biden's religious war in Ukraine, the US is about to run out of diesel fuel | Fox News

The United States has less than a month to fix the energy crisis

www.foxnews.com

So you're saying there is no diesel fuel shortage? So countless national and local media outlets are wrong about this? You didn't need to post Tucker's version of the story. There were countless stories to cite.

One thing you indirectly have sopt-on: the media specializes in fear-mongering, and this could well prove to be another such episode.

However, the bottom line is America has enough to be energy independent (as least within the north American content). But, alas, we are not. We are paying a much higher price for gas/fuel for one reason, and it ain't Russia.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Don't attack him for his whataboutisms but also understand if you ask him to actually explain ANYTHING he will say you're doing a whataboutism. That word has become a code for "don't make a valid point because I don't know enough to argue that point which is unfair!"

Im trying really hard to understand what he considers "the other side". It's extremely hard when they can't even explain what they want. They just 😂 at everything.

For example: Do you support Antifa? gets responded with a laugh instead of yes or no and explaination.

How would you recruit me? How do explain to people what it is you wish this country to be? I just wish he would educate me. I'm so tired of "hate the orange man" or "hate anything" without explaining what it is that you want. It's like if you hate communism, you must love Trump... wuuuuuuttt? If you hate Antifa, you must love Trump... wuuuuut? If you hate corrupt politicians "well what about Trump?" wuuuuut?

 

[WapPride]

So you're saying there is no diesel fuel shortage? So countless national and local media outlets are wrong about this? You didn't need to post Tucker's version of the story. There were countless stories to cite.

One thing you indirectly have sopt-on: the media specializes in fear-mongering, and this could well prove to be another such episode.

However, the bottom line is America has enough to be energy independent (as least within the north American content). But, alas, we are not. We are paying a much higher price for gas/fuel for one reason, and it ain't Russia.

tell me why that is?

 

[nytigerfan]

tell me why that is?

You know what he is going to say... Biden's policies.

Biden's policies have caused gas prices to go up all over the world. Biden's policies are so bad that they caused gas prices to start rising even before he won the election!

 

[Tiger Guru]

You know what he is going to say... Biden's policies.

Biden's policies have caused gas prices to go up all over the world. Biden's policies are so bad that they caused gas prices to start rising even before he won the election!

What do you think it is?

Do you like the way this country is and is heading under the current leadership? Why should I vote Blue?

Teach me the wisdom of you.

 

[WapPride]

What do you think it is?

Do you like the way this country is and is heading under the current leadership? Why should I vote Blue?

Teach me the wisdom of you.

1. Trying to find ways to replace 8 mbpd of crude from Russia that is now blackballed on the global market.
2. Global inflation which has caused the price of deep water barging to increase by around ~$50/nt from the Aegean to the US.
3. Chinese fuel consumption increasing at a rate of over 3% year over year when the rest of the world has been showing a negative growth of fuel consumption.
4. internal US riverways being lower than normal thanks to climate change and droughts which have hindered the amount of river barging allowed in the internal US. Rail companies not only threatening strikes, but also being short on rail cars thanks to the barging hindrances (as it's the backup trans medium to river barging) thus causing a potential supply chain issue.
5. Lack of efficient refining capacity in the US that can take advantage of the light crude we generate.

just a couple off the top of my head

 

[Tiger Guru]

1. Trying to find ways to replace 8 mbpd of crude from Russia that is now blackballed on the global market.
2. Global inflation which has caused the price of deep water barging to increase by around ~$50/nt from the Aegean to the US.
3. Chinese fuel consumption increasing at a rate of over 3% year over year when the rest of the world has been showing a negative growth of fuel consumption.
4. internal US riverways being lower than normal thanks to climate change and droughts which have hindered the amount of river barging allowed in the internal US. Rail companies not only threatening strikes, but also being short on rail cars thanks to the barging hindrances (as it's the backup trans medium to river barging) thus causing a potential supply chain issue.
5. Lack of efficient refining capacity in the US that can take advantage of the light crude we generate.

just a couple off the top of my head

Kudos for responding and educating. I don't know for the life of me what's wrong with educating someone.

Thanks again.

 

[nytigerfan]

What do you think it is?

Do you like the way this country is and is heading under the current leadership? Why should I vote Blue?

Teach me the wisdom of you.

Why are gas prices high? There are a lot of reasons. @WapPride is an expert in that industry, so you are better off asking him. I do know that the "Biden's policies" answer is just dumb and shows a lack of ability for any critical thinking. Conservatives with any common sense know this is the case, but they justify saying it anyway by pointing out that trump took all the blame for covid.

I certainly don't agree with everything that the dems do. I have been on record as saying that I don't agree with student loan forgiveness.

I believe in man made climate change and believe that, for the sake of my children, we have to do something. The dems are trying to address that. The pubs are pretending it is not real.

I believe that our tax system is set up to penalize the middle class and make it easy for rich people to not pay taxes. I say this because I am one of them. I am firmly in the 1%, and pay less than a 20% effective tax rate. I like it, I won't lie. But I also realize that it is not totally fair. I think better enforcement of the top earners is something we need.

I believe that the decision to end a pregnancy where there is rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother, should be between the mother and her doctor and nobody else.

I believe that one group's religious beliefs should not be imposed on others. Because your book says homosexuality is a sin should not affect the right's of homosexuals.

I believe that conservatives are the minority in our society. And yet they somehow maintain control. We should have election reform so that everyone' vote counts the same.

 

[moradatiger70]

I am one minded, as opposed to say… you?

Not miserable here spanky. Like I have said many times, it doesn’t matter who is president, who controls congress, I am always ****ign killing it and living my best life.

hopefully in a few years I will have enough money to build my kids a climate bunker since you guys are so determined to destroy our planet.

Whoaaa there Stymie, what other life did you have?

Braggadocious people like yourself are typicaly insecure. People who are happy and content never have to brag.
You an Trump have more in common that you thought!

I think I remember you spewing not to long ago you had all the money you needed.
When you grow up and become an adult like the rest of us, you'll realize wherre you've been misled.