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Ukraine War

Regardless of this pipeline stuff, do you think that we’ve given the Ukrainians enough to win the war, or simply enough to sustain the war?

I’m not opposed to aiding Ukraine. But if we’re saying it’s to ensure the survival of Ukraine, I think we have to concede that a long war of attrition with Russia isn’t going to accomplish that. Ukraine will run out of men and Western support before Russia runs out of men and material
We certainly haven't given them enough to win and that's by design. The Ukrainians are not our friends and they never have been. If they were to win this war and eliminate Russia, we'd just be replacing one country that doesn't like us with another. But by giving them enough to keep going, we are bleeding Russia white. All the experts predicted the Ukraine would last a couple or 3 weeks against Russia and that they couldn't survive even with NATO weapons. That war is 2 years running now.

This has been a real eye opener for Russia and the rest of the world. The fact that Russia can't defeat a foe that shares a border with them is humiliating for a so called powerful country. They've lost more men than the US did in all of WW2. They are asking freaking NORTH KOREA for help at this point. That's good for the US, b/c despite what comrade Growlz says, Putin and Russia are enemies of the US. You can tell b/c they have Nuclear weapons pointed at us.

Your point is well taken. I don't think that Ukraine can necessarily beat Russia as long as Russia is willing to feed men and money into that meat grinder. But it's going to cost them a couple of million soldiers to do it and they MAY run out of material before that happens. They are already buying shells from North Korea.
 
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That's good for the US, b/c despite what comrade Growlz says, Putin and Russia are enemies of the US. You can tell b/c they have Nuclear weapons pointed at us.

It's good that we do this on message boards anonymously and not face to face. That's all I'm saying
 
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It's good that we do this on message boards anonymously and not face to face. That's all I'm saying
Whatever man... This is a freaking message board. Unlike most of the folks on here, I'm not rich or powerful or some hulk of a human that kicks ass. I'm a 56 year old database administrator that makes a decent living and am overweight and out of shape. If we were face to face and I said those things (which I would), you wouldn't do a damn thing. And if you did, I'd just have your ass arrested and tossed in jail. So save us your flexing...

Nothing you say on here causes me to miss a beat or lose a wink of sleep. I doubt that anything I say on here does for anyone else.
 
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We certainly haven't given them enough to win and that's by design. The Ukrainians are not our friends and they never have been. If they were to win this war and eliminate Russia, we'd just be replacing one country that doesn't like us with another. But by giving them enough to keep going, we are bleeding Russia white. All the experts predicted the Ukraine would last a couple or 3 weeks against Russia and that they couldn't survive even with NATO weapons. That war is 2 years running now.

This has been a real eye opener for Russia and the rest of the world. The fact that Russia can't defeat a foe that shares a border with them is humiliating for a so called powerful country. They've lost more men than the US did in all of WW2. They are asking freaking NORTH KOREA for help at this point. That's good for the US, b/c despite what comrade Growlz says, Putin and Russia are enemies of the US. You can tell b/c they have Nuclear weapons pointed at us.

Your point is well taken. I don't think that Ukraine can necessarily beat Russia as long as Russia is willing to feed men and money into that meat grinder. But it's going to cost them a couple of million soldiers to do it and they MAY run out of material before that happens. They are already buying shells from North Korea.
I absolutely understand the geopolitical reason for it.

What I’m not comfortable is the concession that Ukraine will never win the war outright, but we will keep pushing them to fight and die for our interests anyway. The hawks have made any talk of a ceasefire or treaty complete taboo.

Putin’s an evil guy who’s wasting the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, but when the Ukrainians leave their soldiers to get pounded in trenches with a 1:10 deficit in artillery shells, we’re perfectly ok with it.
 
I absolutely understand the geopolitical reason for it.

What I’m not comfortable is the concession that Ukraine will never win the war outright, but we will keep pushing them to fight and die for our interests anyway. The hawks have made any talk of a ceasefire or treaty complete taboo.

Putin’s an evil guy who’s wasting the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, but when the Ukrainians leave their soldiers to get pounded in trenches with a 1:10 deficit in artillery shells, we’re perfectly ok with it.
Well, that's true, but I'd contend that Ukraine is also fighting for their own interests. As I pointed out above, Ukraine is not a friend of the US really. Sure, we are making nice noises at each other b/c of joint interests right now, but long term they have far more in common with Russia than they do the US.
 
Whatever man... This is a freaking message board. Unlike most of the folks on here, I'm not rich or powerful or some hulk of a human that kicks ass. I'm a 56 year old database administrator that makes a decent living and am overweight and out of shape. If we were face to face and I said those things (which I would), you wouldn't do a damn thing. And if you did, I'd just have your ass arrested and tossed in jail. So save us your flexing...

Nothing you say on here causes me to miss a beat or lose a wink of sleep. I doubt that anything I say on here does for anyone else.
I didn't flex you fricking D1ck. Go work out f@t@$$. Glad you provided a bio.
 
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I didn't flex you fricking D1ck. Go work out f@t@$$. Glad you provided a bio.
Sure you didn't... I'm surprised you didn't invite me to the Wacovia parking lot. That seems about your speed. Hey everyone, check out Growlz's avatar. He's got an AI altered fatass as his pic. How's that for being inconsistent?
 
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Opinion piece.



I do.

Ukraine is essentially a giant CIA base, posing as a sovereign nation.

The CIA moved into Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union, looking to take advantage of the lawless and destabilized country, using it as an offshore proxy, outside the scope of US oversight.

It began with the Nunn-Lugar Act in 1991, and then carried on into 2005, when then Senators Obama and Lugar visited Ukraine, to inspect the former Soviet bio, chemical, and nuclear facilities (pictured below), and then added Ukraine to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and began turning these former Soviet facilities into “defensive research facilities”, which opened the door for US contractors to establish their foothold in Ukraine, and set up their money laundering and racketeering operations, under the guise of “foreign aid”.

Then the CIA funded Nazi militant groups in Ukraine which led to the outbreak of civil war in 2014 in the Donbas. Amidst the chaos, the US State Department, via Victoria Nuland, leveraged the situation to install US-loyal puppets, including the infamous leaked phone call between her and fellow State Department bureaucrat Geoffrey Pyatt, about ensuring “their guy” Yatsenuik, was installed as Prime Minister. The State Department, in tandem with the CIA, covertly took control of Ukraine via Color Revolution in 2014.

Putin recognized this. He knew that the US had destabilized and taken control of Ukraine, and recognized that the US were building a proxy army on his border, by funding, training, and supplying Ukraine with weapons, and trying to bring them into NATO. This was a red line for Putin, as he has said for decades. Russia have been invaded from the West too many times before, and will not tolerate a hostile standing army and long-range missiles on their border. Just like the US didn’t like it when Russia tried to put nukes in Cuba in the 60’s, Russia doesn’t like the US trying to bring armies and weapons to Ukraine.

Essentially, Ukraine is an unofficial US territory and NATO member, and the Deep State do not want to lose out on their cash cow and strategic asset that is Ukraine, hence why they continue to send hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to protect Ukraine’s border. They are using Ukraine as a laundry mat to funnel in hundreds of billions for the war machine, and also covering up their extreme criminality in Ukraine, including crimes against humanity for bioweapon development, human trafficking, drug trafficking, etc. All the things they can’t get away with stateside, they do in Ukraine.

If the public knew the truth about the origins of US involvement in Ukraine, they would NEVER have supported sending a single penny to Ukraine. The narrative that Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022 “unprovoked”, is war propaganda to make it appear Ukraine are the righteous defenders in order to garner your support, when in reality, The US started this conflict, they are the ones who brought war to Putin’s doorstep, and the US are the ones perpetuating the war by continuing to fund and supply Ukraine.

Putin does not want to conquer all of Europe, he just wants NATO off of his border, and justice for US development of weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine, namely, gene-specific biological weapons.

The Cold War never truly ended.
 
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