OT: Bernie or Trump
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IF that is the choice, I'm leaving. I wonder what Canada is like to live permanently?
Considering I am not a socialist, I would say Trump.
i think if that happened you might see a legit movement for either Romney or Biden to thorw their hats in the race as a 3rd party closer to the center, but i think trump would be the winner barring a 3rd party interference.
my thoughts on why we are in this mess
my thoughts on why we are in this mess
I would look to see what is behind door #3 .
If you feel like that, just vote for Bernie.
Bernie is a socialist nut bag, that doesn't understand that he could take all the wealth from the 1% and still not pay for his fairy tail freebies.
I would struggle with a Trump vote, but basically this. This isn't a fairy land where college education and healthcare and whatever else is free for everyone. It's also not Sherwood Forest where we take from the rich and give to the poor. This is America and capitalism built the greatest civilization, economy and standard of living in the history of the world. I think we should keep rolling with that.
Bernie. Trump is as unqualified for President then any candidate since Al Sharpton.
How so? You do realize that our Founding Fathers were arguably people more like Trump than Sanders.
I think i would vote third party.
If Trump wins the GOP nomination it will be because the establishment will decide to back him because they hate Ted Cruz. Its pretty clear that Trump is going to win in NH, and place at least second in Iowa. Cruz will either win Iowa or place second then its on to SC where if Rubio doesn't win there he is done, and then regardless of whether Trump wins or Cruz wins SC, I think you see the establishment accept him and try to coopt him into their group.
Bernie is going to win NH and if he wins Iowa, expect Loretta Lynch to indict Hillary if the polling for SC looks bad, so that Uncle Joe can jump in and rescue the party. Nate Silver's website had looked at the voter statistics and feel that Bernie would have the lowest minority turnout of any Democratic candidate and since the Dems need a certain number of minority votes to win the General they will pull out all the stops to beat Bernie.
Imagine that the polling says that Bernie and Hillary are neck and neck for SC, do independents and republicans go vote in the Dem primary rather than the GOP to try and push Sanders over the top?
If Trump wins the GOP nomination it will be because the establishment will decide to back him because they hate Ted Cruz. Its pretty clear that Trump is going to win in NH, and place at least second in Iowa. Cruz will either win Iowa or place second then its on to SC where if Rubio doesn't win there he is done, and then regardless of whether Trump wins or Cruz wins SC, I think you see the establishment accept him and try to coopt him into their group.
Bernie is going to win NH and if he wins Iowa, expect Loretta Lynch to indict Hillary if the polling for SC looks bad, so that Uncle Joe can jump in and rescue the party. Nate Silver's website had looked at the voter statistics and feel that Bernie would have the lowest minority turnout of any Democratic candidate and since the Dems need a certain number of minority votes to win the General they will pull out all the stops to beat Bernie.
Imagine that the polling says that Bernie and Hillary are neck and neck for SC, do independents and republicans go vote in the Dem primary rather than the GOP to try and push Sanders over the top?
I will bite so explain but consider the majority of our founding fathers were educators, statesman and politicians. I promise you Donald does not have the foresight our founding Fathers have. I do not see Samuel Adams yelling "poll numbers" and cracking on individuals appearance, family or religion.
Really? Tell me which of our Founding Fathers would have answered a question like this. For those of you who are thinking about supporting Trump, this is his actual, word for word answer-
Question- How will you bring back the American Dream?
Answer (again, verbatim word for word)- "Look. We can bring the American Dream back. That I will tell you. We're bringing it back. Okay? And I understand what you're saying. And I get that from so many people. 'Is the American Dream dead?' And the American Dream is in trouble. That I can tell you. Okay? It's in trouble. But we're going to get it back and do some real job. How about that man with that beautiful red hat? Stand up. Stand up. What a hat!"
C'mon, now. That was one of his more literate answers!
I think I'd go Sanders because there is no way he would get any of his policies through a Republican Congress. Trump just might ... and he'd embarrass America everyday he served in the White House [although I jokingly tell people that should he win he will claim that the White House is a total mess, old, musty, a really miserable place to live. And then he will move in to the soon-to-be-completed Trump Hotel (nee The Old Post Office) a couple blocks down Pennsylvania closer to the Capitol.]
Trump adding Palin to the mix really enhances his credibility.
A whole lot of socialist bad scary, bad scary in this thread. To be expected, I guess. Me see scary word. Me heard that word bad.
And yes, to the extent that the "founding fathers" were rich white men who sought to extend their influence by marginalizing women and any group of color, yes, they are very similar to Donald Trump.
I suppose that's the best thing you can say about Trump. He behaves as if he'd be governing in the 1700s. I suppose I question why you believe this is a good thing.
And yes, to the extent that the "founding fathers" were rich white men who sought to extend their influence by marginalizing women and any group of color, yes, they are very similar to Donald Trump.
I suppose that's the best thing you can say about Trump. He behaves as if he'd be governing in the 1700s. I suppose I question why you believe this is a good thing.
That's how he answers every question he's asked. Theres zero substance to any of the answers he gives, outside of the super outlandish shit like he's going to stop all Muslims from entering the country.
Let's just admit that the primary system of selecting candidates is not working. We got better candidates with the old convention system....and it didn't last two years.
You do know that they had primaries then too... but not 15 people running on one side.
The guy wants to raise taxes, redistribute wealth, give free college to all, universal healthcare for all... I don't think it's just a scary word. Those are scary ideas for someone who already contributes a great deal to the federal coffers. 100% chance that Bernie policies cost me (and most others in the contributing class) a significant amount.
And what's the point of my 529 plan that I diligently fund if college is going to be free for everyone? Or my HSA that I have carefully built? I guess there's no need to responsibly plan since the government will just take care of us. Or we could support free market capitalism and personal responsibility.
I think Trump is a tool and his comments about women and other religions are divisive, but I would tolerate that over a shift to government dependence.
Since I do not want America to become Venezuela 2.0, I woul vote for Trump.If Bernie won the Democratic Nominee
and Trump won the Republican Nominee
who would you vote for and why?
I'm not either, but it wouldn't matter. Anyone but Trump.
For your handle, you sure are uneducated.
Taxes are not evil. You can argue about how the money is spent but they are necessary not just to run a necessary government but also as an economic tool. When things are booming, you can raise taxes to curb inflation and pay down the debt. When the pendulum swings back, you cut as a stimulus. Anyone whose primary political position is tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts doesn't belong in any serious discussion.
When 62 families have accumulated more wealth than the bottom 50% of the entire world, some redistribution is called for. We've been redistributing from bottom to top for some time now in a rigged game. I have no sympathy. Think how we could reduce the welfare rolls if the Walton family paid workers enough to get them off the dole instead of teaching them how to get on. And welfare does the country more good than tax cuts for the rich. The only thing that drives an economy is people spending money. Period. It's called aggregate demand. All welfare money is spent. Tax cuts for billionaires just adds to an idle pile helping no one.
Universal health care is the biggest laugh of all for me. We are the only First World country not to provide it yet we are the most devoutly Christian of all those countries. Jesus, the free healer, would be proud. Can't afford it? That's because we are also the only country that allows not just our but also foreign pharmaceutical companies, medical equipment companies, hospitals and doctors to charge whatever the hell they want. Particularly in the case of drugs, we are helping pay for free health care for the rest of the world.
If we get free education, you can cash in your 529 and buy a bass boat.
But very little if any of Bernie's grand plans will happen with a gerrymandered congress, so we get four more years of gridlock. But putting the fox in charge of the hen house and give him a congressional posse, damage will ensue.
He's right. Bernie would never get any of his radical ideas past congress. But Trump would set us back to the stone ages.
Trump/Ryan/McConnell would be one scary triumvirate.
If Bernie won the Democratic Nominee
and Trump won the Republican Nominee
who would you vote for and why?
Would be the time for a well-funded third party candidate to win. I think Bernie is a more honorable man, but his policies would be disastrous. Trump really has no governing philosophy and would turn the US into a laughingstock.
I would love to hear what each of the Bernie supporters do for a living. Come on, tell the world how you contribute to the community. How you create jobs, invest in your neighbors, pay taxes, volunteer, provide financial support to your local charities.
You see, the people that do the above are statistically more likely to be conservative.
You see, the people that do the above are statistically more likely to be conservative.
One of my biggest issues with the typical tax and redistribution argument is that the talk track focuses on the "billionaire class" or more specifically in your case, the Walton family. If that's the target of your redistribution efforts, then why are we raising taxes on your neighborhood orthodontist or a hard-working dual-income family? It doesn't make sense to raise taxes on income ranges anywhere close Obama's original target of $250K.
If you want to truly address the billionaire class, focus your efforts. Don't penalize the extremely hard-working, generally first generation successful people making in the hundreds. Similar argument on the death tax. Why $5M if your goal is to address billionaires?
And my primary political position isn't tax cuts. It's personal responsibility. I do think everyone, yes everyone, should pay their fair share of taxes. My definition of fair share is an almost identical % of income beyond a very basic cost of living.
They were more doctors and business men than politicians.
Seriously? http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_overview.html
Anyone who would vote for Sanders is living at home with their parents and hates their existence because life didn't hand them a lottery ticket. Anyone who wants a pass FU! Earn it.
LMAO. You have to be kidding. @SWUtigers , this has to be the potato post of the year. The people you described make up the vast majority of Americans (contrary to what fear mongers want you to believe) and the vast majority of Americans are not Conservative.
Jeebus. Some of you need to stop getting your "news" from Facebook.
Believe it or not, there are people in all walks of life that are Conservative and people from all walks of life that are liberal.
